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[erolz]

David,

Don't think for a minute that these b*stards wouldn't stick you with a knife for their own personal gain. Life to them is cheap, they wouldn't think twice about ending yours.

Mark my words, there are problems ahead!

I have seen it in Glasgow, they form gangs and now they are trying to demand protection money.

Of course no natural born scots form gangs and seek protection money or would stick you with a knife for personal gain, would they?

What makes it worse is that in the UK, we give them free houses, mobile phones even cars and this is how they repay us! The asylum seekers are part of the reason I left Scotland.

What absolute nonsense. Firstly the vast majority of asylum applications in the UK are rejected and the seekers get nothing from the state at all, excpet a demand to leave the country. Those few that do get accepted as 'genuine' assylum seekers recieve some aid from the state and rightly so. Not only does the UK have a moral and legal duty to provide this they are in reality, along with the rest of the west almost always responsible directly or indriectly to some degree of having created the turmoil in the asylum seekers own home that means they can not live there without fear for their life. The reason we are so comparatively rich is directly connected (though not exclusively) to why their is so much turmoil in so mnay of these peoples homelands.

Blaming the woes of a country on asylum seekers and on immigrants is the standard approach of those that wish to simply blame anyone but themselves for the state of their own countries whilst ignoring their countries responsilbiltes in the creation of asylum seekers and immigrants in the first place, in my humble opinion. As such a person you will no doubt feel at as home in Cyprus as in Scotland as we also have many such people here. Of course balming Scots for the state of scotland or Cypriots for the state of Cyprus is something that can not and must not be done. Scapegoats are so much more comforting are they not?

[flighty]

Smell shite?

You are talking utter crud.

Where you from? Not the UK, so you don't know what you're talking about.

I am and I do.

[garbitsch]

flighty, please mind your language. If you want to use words like shit or basdards, here is not the correct address ok? If you keep speaking in this manner, you will be ignored by the other users in this forum.

[erolz]

You are talking utter crud.

Care to point out what is crud? Or would that be too much like a discussion and no enoguh like a ranting post for your tastes

Where you from? Not the UK, so you don't know what you're talking about.

Ahhh the certainty of the bigott. How do you know here I am from or not? As it happens I am from the UK. Was born in the UK. Lived the first 35ish years of my life in the UK and left the UK for Cyprus about 2.5 years ago.

I am and I do.

See above.

[devil]

To be sung to the tune of Davy Crockett:

Born in a tenement near Gorbals Cross,
Of all the gangs he was the boss.
Bought himself a razor five feet wide,
Slashed his mother and threw her in the Clyde.

Davey, Davey Campbell,
King of the wild frontier.



If this caricature of a "Glasgae keelie" from 40 years ago had no foundation behind it, it wouldn't be funny. And I'm not being racist, like you are, because I'm Scottish myself.

Let me tell you something: if you have never known what being a refugee is like, you can never judge one. Just think. For example, you are a white farmer in Zimbabwe. One morning you wake up with a horde of people setting fire to your barn, raping and then shooting your wife, hitting you over the head with a baseball bat and leaving you for dead. By luck, you happen to survive but find your farm has been laid waste. You decide to leave, as there is no future in the country you were born in and whose passport you hold. You go to the bank to withdraw your savings to find they have been confiscated. The bank calls the police and you are thrown in jail. After three months of torture, you are released and takien to the airport for deportation. You arrive in Johannesburg, penniless, without a passport or other documentation and with only the clothes on your back plus the physical and mental scars from your ordeal. If he set foot back in Zimbabwe, he would be immediately arrested and possibly shot on a trumped up charge. THAT is being a refugee.

On a local scale, thousands upon thousands of Cypriots, from all over the island, became refugees in their own country just 31 years ago.

I have worked with Hungarian refugees after the uprising. I have listened to their stories. We employed 25 of them in a company with a workforce of about 350. Every single one of them was an honest person, worked hard and quickly became assimilated into their community,

There is NO shame in being a refugee and, believe me, life is tough for anyone forced to leave their homeland with nothing.

I've employed in my company in Switzerland a Kurdish Turk who went about in fear of his life and changed his employment and residence every few months. Do you know what he did? He was the concierge - but he had a degree from the A&M University in Texas in some kind of art and was a journalistic photographer until he had the misfortune to take a photo of a Kurd being beaten up by Turkish soldiers, which his newspaper published. He was saving up to buy some photo equipment so that he could restart in his chosen profession as a freelance, because he could not get a job with the local media as an employee.

Yet you, who are also a refugee - you admit you left Scotland because you were afraid - come to a foreign country, where you presumably enjoy a high standard of living, yet you despise others who have come here as refugees for whatever reason, be it political or economic.

You are a racist, xenophobic, item of the worst kind of scumbag. I am ashamed that you, presumably a Scot, share the same origins as myself and have followed me here to this beautiful, welcoming, oasis of peace. I lived here well over 50 years ago and have seen the vicissitudes of a proud nation fighting for their freedom from the likes of your colonial forebears. I have known what people have told me what it is like to be thrown out of their family home for generations and forced to establish themselves just a few tens of kilometres away with nothing to their name.

Crawl back in your shell and remove your slimy gastropodic body back to Glasgow; perhaps one of Davey Campbell's successors will take pity on you and put you out of your misery.

[sk]

x 99999999999999999999!!!!!
and just think that i was thinking of moving to scotland to do my specialization as a doctor!!!i am having second thoughts now....one thing that i always check before i move to a new place is crime rate.....and its not very encouraging as i can see.....does someone knows any websites where there is info about crime rate in scotland?

[cannedmoose]

A little below the belt at times Devil re, otherwise

P.S. If it's not too rude to ask... how old are you? I just ask because you mention the Hungarian uprising... wasn't this in 1956??? I always pictured you as a 30-something!

As for Scotland being a paradise... the highlands maybe, my last visit to Glasgow scared me more than when I was in Rafah. I have a very english accent and got some extremely dodgy looks from some Glaswegian youths in a shopping centre. Give me Cyprus any day.

[cannedmoose]

:shock: x 99999999999999999999!!!!!
and just think that i was thinking of moving to scotland to do my specialization as a doctor!!!i am having second thoughts now....one thing that i always check before i move to a new place is crime rate.....and its not very encouraging as i can see.....does someone knows any websites where there is info about crime rate in scotland?

Here you go sk...

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/library5/justice/sccs-00.asp

As for going to Scotland to practice medicine... it's the most unhealthy region in the UK and one of the worst in Western Europe, so you should never run out of patients!

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~news/releases/2004/07/30.html

For me, Scotland is generally a beautiful place with nice people, but the major cities, perhaps excluding Edinburgh and Aberdeen, are horrible. Glasgow in particular is a shocker.

[sk]

and another thing concerning this post.....recently there was a referendum here in hungary where i live about whether to give to ethnic hungarians of other countries(that means to hungarian minorities) the hungarian citizenship if they apply for it. the answer was NO!these hungarians who live in other countries(eg romania)and keep the traditions of hungary alive abroad were refused by their own nation.....there are hundreds of foreigners applying for hungarian citizenship every year and they get it.....but they ,who ARE hungarians are being turned down.....that means to be a refugee,actually its worse than being a refugee....these people have no national identity anymore(i am not talking about citizenship).........its simply pathetic.....do you think these people have the courage anymore to go to hungary and work?no,they go abroad,they feel betrayed...they become immigrants....

[sk]

thanks cannedmoose!!!
if you got such a behaviour "treatment "in glasgow,just imagine what i will get,when once i was listening to a scottish guy talking(didnt know he was scottish) and i asked by british friend if he could understand what language he was talking too.....imagine my shock when my friend started laughing and said that the guy was talking in english!!!