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[Bananiot]

Piratis, the great democrat, wrote

No Muzzy, Bananiot, would never have a problem to accept any Turkish proposals. If you want to have somehting personal with Bananiot, e.g. taking him from behind, then by all means do.

Well done Piratis, you have now revealed your true self. What a fool!

[Kifeas]

Bananiot, as a fellow Cypriot, I'm very impressed with your common sense attitude to the Cyprus problem and it's so refreshing to come across a Greek Cypriot that is prepared to tell it as it was and how it is. Your fellow compatriots, those that shoot you down are blinkered.

I'd like to sit down with you and solve the Cyprus problem. I think we could do it very quickly.

Step 1: From what I've read of your posts I presume you agreed with the Annan Plan ? If so we're 90% there.
Step 2: We both agree with the Annan Plan.
Step 3: Do you agree to 650 Turkish troops remaining on the island, as a psychological means of security for the TC community ? The troops can be withdrawn once Turkey accedes to the EU.
Step 4: Do you agree to Turkey acting as a guarantor nation for the Turkish Cypriot component state only ?
Step 5: Do you agree to a rotational presidency: 3 years GC/1year TC.
Step 6: Do you agree to the removal of the British bases ?

Let's have some doner and zivania !

Let me know.

"Muzzy70", you do not need Bananiot to agree to your demands! You may even get Kifeas to agree to the above, provided that you are ready to accept that the TC component state covers only the 18.4% of the territory and the coastlines of Cyprus, since this is the percentage of population and private property ownership of your community in Cyprus.

Other than that, and with the exception of "step 5" which should be 4 years GC / 1 year TC for the presidency (80:20,) we are in full agreement.

Do you have any objection to that?

[Tim Drayton]

... the TC component state covers only the 18.4% of the territory and the coastlines of Cyprus, since this is the percentage of population and private property ownership of your community in Cyprus.

According to the figures I have to hand, prior to 1974 26.7% of the land was state owned. That is, owned by the state in which GCs and TCs were joint partners. Why do the GCs get all of this?

[Piratis]

... the TC component state covers only the 18.4% of the territory and the coastlines of Cyprus, since this is the percentage of population and private property ownership of your community in Cyprus.

According to the figures I have to hand, prior to 1974 26.7% of the land was state owned. That is, owned by the state in which GCs and TCs were joint partners. Why do the GCs get all of this?

They don't. With the numbers that Kifeas gives (in other of his posts he explains them in detail) GCs (together with Armenians, Latins and Maronites) get about 82% of the state owned land, and TCs get about 18% of the state owned land.

Any split would be unfair for us since we are the majority of all parts of Cyprus, (unless the TCs get autonomy over the TC only villages, and the villages that TCs are legally the majority - but in that case we would have several small TC "cantons" and not 1 state) but if we are going to split the land in two then that is the most fair (or least unfair) way to do it and there is no doubt about that.

[Piratis]

Piratis, the great democrat, wrote

No Muzzy, Bananiot, would never have a problem to accept any Turkish proposals. If you want to have somehting personal with Bananiot, e.g. taking him from behind, then by all means do.

Well done Piratis, you have now revealed your true self. What a fool!

What I said is perfectly democratic Bananiot. If you enjoy being submissive, then you have the personal freedom to be submissive to Turks, British and whomever else you want. What you do not have the right to do is to try to force the rest of us (the decent people) to be submit as well.

[Tim Drayton]

... the TC component state covers only the 18.4% of the territory and the coastlines of Cyprus, since this is the percentage of population and private property ownership of your community in Cyprus.

According to the figures I have to hand, prior to 1974 26.7% of the land was state owned. That is, owned by the state in which GCs and TCs were joint partners. Why do the GCs get all of this?

They don't. With the numbers that Kifeas gives (in other of his posts he explains them in detail) GCs (together with Armenians, Latins and Maronites) get about 82% of the state owned land, and TCs get about 18% of the state owned land.

Any split would be unfair for us since we are the majority of all parts of Cyprus, (unless the TCs get autonomy over the TC only villages, and the villages that TCs are legally the majority - but in that case we would have several small TC "cantons" and not 1 state) but if we are going to split the land in two then that is the most fair (or least unfair) way to do it and there is no doubt about that.

No what Kifeas is saying is perfectly clear. Turkish Cypriots get the 18% of the land which was privately owned by them and Greek Cypriots get all the land that was privately owned by them plus ALL of the state land.

[Bananiot]

... e.g. taking him from behind, then by all means do

Since you insist to indulge on indecency Piratis, then may I suggest that Muzzy takes you from the ... front. Of course, only if you have had the sex change operation you were talking about, otherwise it will be rather painful.

[Kikapu]

... the TC component state covers only the 18.4% of the territory and the coastlines of Cyprus, since this is the percentage of population and private property ownership of your community in Cyprus.

According to the figures I have to hand, prior to 1974 26.7% of the land was state owned. That is, owned by the state in which GCs and TCs were joint partners. Why do the GCs get all of this?

They don't. With the numbers that Kifeas gives (in other of his posts he explains them in detail) GCs (together with Armenians, Latins and Maronites) get about 82% of the state owned land, and TCs get about 18% of the state owned land.

Any split would be unfair for us since we are the majority of all parts of Cyprus, (unless the TCs get autonomy over the TC only villages, and the villages that TCs are legally the majority - but in that case we would have several small TC "cantons" and not 1 state) but if we are going to split the land in two then that is the most fair (or least unfair) way to do it and there is no doubt about that.

No what Kifeas is saying is perfectly clear. Turkish Cypriots get the 18% of the land which was privately owned by them and Greek Cypriots get all the land that was privately owned by them plus ALL of the state land.

Tim,

I don't think you have seen Kifeas's post on land ownership and I don't have it to show it to you now, but the 18% land includes TC's private land owned (around 12.5 %) as well as 18% of all the State land, which is about another 5-6 % to make it total of around 18% roughly for the TC's..

[Oracle]

This is why this ridiculous notion that we have to split the island into any bits is wrong. More problems are created, not solved.

There is absolutely no reason to concede any part of Cyprus to any one ethnic group. The problem we are trying to solve is based on the fact that one ethnic group has already been removed from one part of the island. And we are not happy!

How is this ethnic-cleansing problem solved by permanently gifting a section, even if it is 18%, to a "group" of people? For what reason? Who is next to claim a bit? All queue up now, the Cypriots have lost their heads and are giving bits of Cyprus away ...

Two wrongs don't make a right. Turkey does not need to be rewarded for its actions in invading Cyprus by receiving any freebies. It did wrong. That is acknowledged internationally!

Now drop all this bartering as if we are in a Bazaar ..... and solve the real problem which is to get 100% of the invading Turks and settlers off the Island and restore Democracy to the whole of Cyprus, and hence EU.

[Tim Drayton]

... the TC component state covers only the 18.4% of the territory and the coastlines of Cyprus, since this is the percentage of population and private property ownership of your community in Cyprus.

According to the figures I have to hand, prior to 1974 26.7% of the land was state owned. That is, owned by the state in which GCs and TCs were joint partners. Why do the GCs get all of this?

They don't. With the numbers that Kifeas gives (in other of his posts he explains them in detail) GCs (together with Armenians, Latins and Maronites) get about 82% of the state owned land, and TCs get about 18% of the state owned land.

Any split would be unfair for us since we are the majority of all parts of Cyprus, (unless the TCs get autonomy over the TC only villages, and the villages that TCs are legally the majority - but in that case we would have several small TC "cantons" and not 1 state) but if we are going to split the land in two then that is the most fair (or least unfair) way to do it and there is no doubt about that.

No what Kifeas is saying is perfectly clear. Turkish Cypriots get the 18% of the land which was privately owned by them and Greek Cypriots get all the land that was privately owned by them plus ALL of the state land.

Tim,

I don't think you have seen Kifeas's post on land ownership and I don't have it to show it to you now, but the 18% land includes TC's private land owned (around 12.5 %) as well as 18% of all the State land, which is about another 5-6 % to make it total of around 18% roughly for the TC's..

OK. Thanks for the clarification. I thought he was saying that TCs collectively own 18% of the land as private property, and that's all they get.
There is a counter argument which would say that, since TCs were equal partners in the RoC, they get half the state-owned land.
It is all academic, anyway. Certain realities, not least the presence of 40,000 Turkish troops, dictate that partition would amount to a formal recognition of the de facto situation, with a few sweeteners such as the return of Varosha thrown in.