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Postby Oracle » Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:13 pm

soyer wrote:
Oracle wrote:So Greek Cypriots go missing at the hands of Turks... :?

Years later, they may be identified as having being killed ....

How does this not correlate with the fact that Turkey invaded , killed or kidnapped hundreds of Greek Cypriot men, women and children, if some decades later, some of them have been found and confirmed by DNA tests to be those of the missing ...

Are the Turks really thick, or just stupid .. or imbecilic or is it just soyer .... :lol:


Greek Cypriots go missing at the hands of Turks in north:!: :!: .....How they turn back in south in a Greek army cemetery or elsewhere in SOUTH CYPRUS.... Take my advice Don't waste your talent you are the best comedian i come a cross up until now. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Fool! :evil:

Are you seriously suggesting that during a time of war things were cut and dry as to where people where buried ...

Clasping at straws you murderous invaders ...

Go back to Turkey and find the rest of our missing people barbarian ...
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Postby Magnus » Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:24 pm

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Greek Cypriots go missing at the hands of Turks in north:!: :!: .....How they turn back in south in a Greek army cemetery or elsewhere in SOUTH CYPRUS.... Take my advice Don't waste your talent you are the best comedian i come a cross up until now. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


All this article says is that this man was found buried in Lakadamia after DNA testing. He could have been killed anywhere but buried in Lakatamia.

When his body was found, if they were unable to identify him and return him to his family then he would have been taken to a military cemetary (in this case Lakatamia) and buried as a soldier.

If he was buried as an unknown soldier at the time, but years later they were able to DNA test and identify him then there has been no deliberate deception by the RoC authorities or the people that buried him because they weren't able to identify him at the time.

Also consider that if he was killed in the North, they would not have buried his remains there because they might have thought the graves would be desecrated by the invaders.
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Postby Oracle » Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:34 pm

I don't know where this fool soyer gets his ideas from .... just because they have 40,000 Turks separating Cyprus today according to their Taksim rules ...... a "clear" north and south ..... was this so when the savage Turks struck and killed in 1974? ... NO!

The man does not know how to interpret findings ...

He hears the term "DNA" and he thinks people will assume he is intelligent just by throwing it around! :lol:

He is a desperado ... They choose to ignore logic and hope to get away with their stupidity replacing facts ...
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Postby Magnus » Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:44 pm

Oracle wrote:I don't know where this fool soyer gets his ideas from .... just because they have 40,000 Turks separating Cyprus today according to their Taksim rules ...... a "clear" north and south ..... was this so when the savage Turks struck and killed in 1974? ... NO!

The man does not know how to interpret findings ...

He hears the term "DNA" and he thinks people will assume he is intelligent just by throwing it around! :lol:

He is a desperado ... They choose to ignore logic and hope to get away with their stupidity replacing facts ...


I suppose it depends if the facts are being misinterpreted by accident, lack of comprehension or deliberate choice. The best anyone can do is present a logical argument and if he responds with insults or evasion then there is no point continuing the debate.
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Postby soyer » Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:45 pm

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Oracle wrote:So Greek Cypriots go missing at the hands of Turks... :?

Years later, they may be identified as having being killed ....

How does this not correlate with the fact that Turkey invaded , killed or kidnapped hundreds of Greek Cypriot men, women and children, if some decades later, some of them have been found and confirmed by DNA tests to be those of the missing ...

Are the Turks really thick, or just stupid .. or imbecilic or is it just soyer .... :lol:


Greek Cypriots go missing at the hands of Turks in north:!: :!: .....How they turn back in south in a Greek army cemetery or elsewhere in SOUTH CYPRUS.... Take my advice Don't waste your talent you are the best comedian i come a cross up until now. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Fool! :evil:

Are you seriously suggesting that during a time of war things were cut and dry as to where people where buried ...

Clasping at straws you murderous invaders ...

Go back to Turkey and find the rest of our missing people barbarian ...


Most of missing people are not here you idiot they are there in south you lot kill them bury them unmark graves like this one and blame Turks for it. Get them out and do your DNA's then. You have 3.000 of them to dig out.



Greeks are innocent until proving other-ways

Turks are guilty until they prove other-ways

WITH THIS MENTALITY TURKS AND GREEKS NEVER EVER CAN LIVE TOGETHER IN FUTURE.

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Postby Oracle » Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:54 pm

Sorry soyer but in 1974 Cyprus was one whole country ... and to claim now that because he was found buried in the south is due to being killed by GCs is absolutely meaningless ...

Any chance of a decent source for the information you are tying to misinterpret?
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Postby Magnus » Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:56 pm

soyer wrote: Most of missing people are not here you idiot they are there in south you lot kill them bury them unmark graves like this one and blame Turks for it. Get them out and do your DNA's then. You have 3.000 of them to dig out.

Greeks are innocent until proving other-ways

Turks are guilty until they prove other-ways

WITH THIS MENTALITY TURKS AND GREEKS NEVER EVER CAN LIVE TOGETHER IN FUTURE.

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I gave you a perfectly logical explanation for this man's burial in Lakadamia. You have chosen to ignore my points and resort to evasion and spouting your foolish rhetoric.

I can only assume that you are incapable of countering my arguments and I deduce from your various posts in this section that your only intention is to regurgitate mindless propaganda in a feeble attempt to cover and legitimise your beloved Turkey's heinous and barbaric crimes. You are quite clearly not worth my time or anyone else's.
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Postby soyer » Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:21 am

Oracle wrote:Sorry soyer but in 1974 Cyprus was one whole country ... and to claim now that because he was found buried in the south is due to being killed by GCs is absolutely meaningless ...

Any chance of a decent source for the information you are tying to misinterpret?


By July 15, 1974, a powerful force of mainland Greek troops had assembled in Cyprus and with their backing, the Greek Cypriot National Guard overthrew Makarios and installed one Nicos Sampson as "president."

On July 22, the Washington Star News reported: "Bodies littered the streets and there were mass burials.... People told by Makarios to lay down their guns were shot by the National Guard."

On April 17, 1991, Ambassador Nelson Ledsky testified before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee that "most of the 'missing persons' disappeared in the first days of July 1974, before the Turkish intervention on the 20th. Many killed on the Greek side were killed by Greek Cypriots in fighting between supporters of Makarios and Sampson."

On Nov. 6, 1974, Ta Nea reported that dates from the graves of Greek Cypriots killed in the five days between July 15-20 were erased in order to blame these deaths on the subsequent Turkish military action.

On Oct. 19 1996, Mr. Georgios Lanitis wrote: "I was serving with the Foreign Information Service of the Republic of Cyprus in London.... I deeply apologize to all those I told that there are 1,619 missing persons. I misled them. I was made a liar, deliberately, by the government of Cyprus. ...today it seems that the credibility of Cyprus is nil."


On 20 July, 1995, the Greek Cypriot weekly magazine “Selides” published an article on the Greek Cypriot “missing persons”, revealing further the true facts behind the inhuman Greek Cypriot propaganda on the issue. In this article a certain Christos Eliophotou recounted his bitter story.

Mr. Eliophotou had been the Chief Civil Defense Officer of the Greek Cypriot part of Nicosia District. During the last days of July, 1974, he had been called to the Greek Cypriot General Hospital at Nicosia by a Greek officer, Lieutenant George Danos, and told to take care of burying some Greek Cypriots.

This is his story: “I went to the hospital and asked for the man in charge, and a Greek officer, Lieutenant Danos, appeared. He guided me to the mortuary and showed me a number of corpses. I estimated that there were about 45 to 50 bodies. He told me to take them for burial.”

“I told him that I would take them after I had been given the details about them.”

“Then this Danos started swearing at me and saying that their identities were none of my business. I answered him, telling him that I knew my job very well and that, during the World War!!, I had served as a major in the British army and had buried many people — but none before they were identified.”

“The following day, when I went back to mortuary, they informed me that the army had buried the dead.”
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Postby Oracle » Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:27 am

Sorrowful soyer ...

First we need some source for your diatribe ...

Then please tie-in how it fits with your "story" of Costas Menikou ..

Otherwise Magnus' conclusion as to your credibility shortfall still stands ...

Goodnight!
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Postby Nikitas » Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:37 am

Sevgul Uludag has documented mass graves in the north. Read her articles in Turkish and then come talk about it.
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