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[Piratis]

He said he did, but that doesn't mean that he meant it. On the TV, most of the reasons he listed while crying were completely against the philosophy of the Annan plan.

It depends on what the philosophy of the Annan plan is and how each one realizes it.

Personally i don't think this plan can be improved to the degree that will be satisfactory.

[Bananiot]

This is what the late leader of AKEL had to say about Papadopoulos.

“ Tasos Papadopoulos is as unhesitant as Yiorkatzis. His policy on the Cyprus issue is for double union, for the partition of the island. He is an unhesitant, fanatic, anti-communist, who, given the chance, if he ever manages to become President, will hit hard our party and the progressive movement.

For all the above reasons, our party has a duty to avert him from ever becoming President …”

The above was presented by AKEL's Secretariat to the Politbureau on 9/8/1977.

[Bananiot]

Of course the late leader of AKel was Ezekias Papaioannou who died in 1988, if I remember correctly, but managed to appoint Christofias as his successor, prior to passing away.

He knew Papadopoulos inside out and his claim that our President is only interested in double union sends shivers down my spine. The actions of Papadopoulos as President so far, point towards this direction and you can take Papadopoulos claims at face value at your own peril.

[X-ite]

He knew Papadopoulos inside out and his claim that our President is only interested in double union sends shivers down my spine.

Double union will never happen. Greece doesn't want that.

The actions of Papadopoulos as President so far, point towards this direction and you can take Papadopoulos claims at face value at your own peril.

He is not the only authority in this country, there is the rest of the govrnment and the people who vote. Stop treating him as if he is some kind of a dictator.

[Bananiot]

"Double union will never happen. Greece doesn't want that". What a laugh! Nobody wanted enosis in 1955, not even Greece, yet we still strove for it, and here are the results. If you want another view on Papadopoulos I suggest you read Andreas Ziartides's book (p. 100-102) "xoris fovo kai pathos". Ziartides worked closely with papadopoulos while the president was a Makarios minister and, surprise surprise, he some nice things to say about Papadopoulos too. He also says among other things:

"He was an enosis bigot and a fanatic right winger. A sick racist as far as the Turks are concerned. He had no stomach for even the slightest of compromises ..."

The book is a real treasure for those interested in recent Cyprus history but unfortunately I have not seen an english version of it as yet. Perhaps, in memeory of this great man, the book should be translated into turkish.

[X-ite]

Nobody wanted enosis in 1955, not even Greece, yet we still strove for it, and here are the results.

Even if that is his deep desire he does not act alone. I am sure nothing will be done in that direction and there is no need to discuss it any longer.

"He was an enosis bigot and a fanatic right winger. A sick racist as far as the Turks are concerned. He had no stomach for even the slightest of compromises ..."

I will reiterate:

He is not the only authority in this country, there is the rest of the govrnment and the people who vote. Stop treating him as if he is some kind of a dictator!

[Bananiot]

For a start I am glad you are not trying to refute anything said about Papadopoulos. Secondly and most important, this man has condemned Cyprus for ever. He can never be excused. The best we can hope now is confederation or double union. Any one who has merely passed outside a political science class can tell you this. He has promised a better solution than the one the A plan provided and which was approved ovewhelmingly by the TC,s despite Denktash's antiques. I think we should all be asking him now. Where is the infamous european solution you promised?

An agreed solution can only be reached with the help of the international factor and this is a fact no one can dismiss. Well, if anyone can see the international factor bending over backwards to satisfy the president, please show me too!

[Piratis]

The best we can hope now is confederation or double union.

Even confederation is better that the association of the Annan plan.

[Bananiot]

That is totally rediculous. This is the choice that was infont of the people at the referendum but the arrogant president told them that it was between the A Plan and a better european solution. The people were mislead and history will have a lot to say about the man that divided Cyprus just because he believes in purity of race, religion and I don't know what else. The biggest part of the blame is laid on AKEL's shoulders and the leader of this inexplicable party, Christofias. He brought into office, at the most crucial instance of history, the most fanatical advocate of racial purity, an extreme right winger, who prefers to lose half of Cyprus than afford equal status to our compatriots. So you say confederation is better. Shame on you!

[Piratis]

I say confederation is better, not that I would accept it. Therefore since you accept something that is even worst that confederationthis means shame on you 100 times.

Where did the president say that if we reject the Annan plan the next day, or next months the Cyprus problem will be solved with a "european solution"??? You are just saying bullshit my friend.

The people had decided to reject the A plan long time before Papadopoulos said anything. Haven't you seen any polls? Do you live in Cyprus or on another planet?
In any case, Papadopulos is there becausewe voted for him. And we still support him (70% last poll I saw). When we decide that he is not good enough for us anymore we will replace him. But make no mistake, his replacement will not be a traitor, as you wish. He will be again one that will do what we want him to do, and accepting a plan like the Annan plan is not one of the things we want our president to do.