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[gabaston]

I too have sensed a change in attitude by many gc’s. The chap who started this thread is no longer tolerated by gc’s anymore. He lives in the sixties and his views have not been approved by any gc, thanfully.


Jimmy can u please tell this forum what in your opinion is the biggest single factor that has brought about this change of attitude?

[Saint Jimmy]

Erm...
I am very hesitant in attempting such an analysis, as I am nowhere near knowing what the people in the 60s believed, and how malevolently they thought. Most GCs say that people back then believed in a dream (Enosis), in an ideal, in a romantic sense, but surely, they could see the TC reaction around them...? Was the silent majority that innocent, then, or was it a silent accomplice? I'm not too sure that the majority of GCs would have voted against Enosis in the late 60s, and anyway, not many people (if any) acted to prevent the bloodshed that followed (and I don't think it's because they couldn't see it coming).
What's different today, then, is that the ideal, the dream, doesn't exist any more. There's not even the desire (let alone the intent) to unite the island with Greece (apart from a sad minority - sad, not because of what they want, but because of why they want it). So, the obstacles that were present when Clerides first started negotiating with Denktas are no longer there.

That's what I think.

[gabaston]

jimmy

thank you for your considered and honest response.

i do remember the sixties, and to gc's credit i think that the vast majority of gc's didnt really know what was going on, and others may have got carried away in the romatnic dream. To be honest i can to some extent even understand the nobility of a struggle that goes back thousands of years. Your generation is paying the price for the mistakes of my generation, and for that i express my heartfealt regret and sympathies.

my best friend is gc, my daughters boyfreind is gc and my belief is that we can, down the generations build up trust, but for now i believe peace can only be built upon, from behind a line.

[Saint Jimmy]

we can, down the generations build up trust, but for now i believe peace can only be built upon, from behind a line.

Τhat's more or less what I believe, too.
Not because peace can't be built without the line, but because it's absurd to think that either of the two sides will accept what the other one is asking. And a compromise can't be found, either, because the two red lines are parallel.
I think it needs to be a dotted line, for a few years, maybe a few decades, just so we can call it over and done with, and move on. If there's no Cyprus Problem to keep the conflict fire burning, it's just going to die out, eventually. And only when it does, can we get rid of the line altogether.

[gabaston]

jimmy

its a pleasure to hear your views, and i totally agree.

[Viewpoint]

Saint Jimmy

What's different today, then, is that the ideal, the dream, doesn't exist any more. There's not even the desire (let alone the intent) to unite the island with Greece (apart from a sad minority - sad, not because of what they want, but because of why they want it).

If you cant see the current dream, then you are being very naive, the dream is a Greek Cypriot dominated state being the "RoC" with a Turkish Cypriot minority.

[Main_Source]

Nikos Sampson...do you own a copy of Ice Cube's 'AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted' too then? lo

[Saint Jimmy]

If you cant see the current dream, then you are being very naive, the dream is a Greek Cypriot dominated state being the "RoC" with a Turkish Cypriot minority.

Erm, yes, I can't deny that. That's what I think some people are after.
My point, however, was that the Enosis dream is dead. So my thinking goes: back then, the reason GCs wanted TCs not to have a say in government and remain a minority, is because they were so vehemently opposed to Enosis. Now, that Enosis is dead and buried, this 'minority' thing isn't as big a deal as it was back then.
If the A-Plan gave the people their property back, and truly reunited the country, in the sense that it allowed everyone to settle, move freely and live all over the country without restrictions and borders, then it would've been voted for, even though it didn't render the TCs a minority. That's not the GC priority.

[magikthrill]

If you cant see the current dream, then you are being very naive, the dream is a Greek Cypriot dominated state being the "RoC" with a Turkish Cypriot minority.

You know this is getting VERY tiring. You really need to come up with new excuses. I can accept your racist view on the things but juts because you get 1 or 2 regular posters saying that it is undemocratic to have political equality that doesnt mean that is how the situation is.

In ANY type of solution there will be bicommunality and bizonality and almost all GCs will accept this even those that dont agree with this to create a solution.

What are you willing to accept in order to create a solution VP?

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magikthrill

What are you willing to accept in order to create a solution VP?

Return of Turkish Army on a timetable agreeable with GC side.