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[Kikapu]

And is true what the estate agents say? That IF any compensation is to be paid, then the Turkish Government will pay it and not the buyer. If so, then its cart blanche for anyone to buy anywhere here and never have a comeback!!!! Also Gav, a lot of people are heartbroken over lost properties, and I think that this subject is one that shouldn't treated so lightly. The local paper stated today that a Greek Cypriotin the ROC is trying to sell his land in Kyrenia, but a TRNC spokesperson said that no such sale would be legal because it would not be approved by the government (here)!! Its a mess and in all honesty I cannot see an end to it any time soon.

Hi Tess,

What an illegal "government" says to buyers of stolen GC properties cannot be relied on. How can any damn fool buying stolen property with the help from an illegal "state" can say, "well, as long as the illegal "state" says it is OK, then we don't have anything to worry about".. Talk about the buyers of the stolen GC land getting screwed Royally by the illegal "state" first and then get screwed rightfully by the legal owners later on. These buyers without a conscious of planning their retirement on stolen GC properties, deserve to lose every penny they have spent, as well as face jail time when appropriate time comes along.

Now lets talk about the compensation, that the illegal "state" is proposing to pay on behalf of the buyers. I did not hear that on the video. What I heard was, that if there was a settlement, the buyers will not lose their homes, but might have to pay a
small compensation. This small compensation was of course from the original Annan Plan of 2004, where any compensation paid to the legal GC owner, was only going to be the price of the land back in 1974, plus the difference in inflation. In another words, it was going to be a steal for the buyers, but stolen for the second time for the GC legal owner. Since the AP failed in 2004, the illegal "state" shamelessly are telling the buyers that this is how it is going to be, just to make the sale.

We all know now, that the AP is not being used for the new negotiations, much to the disappointment of the illegal "state", and if any compensation needs to be paid to the legal GC owners, it is going to be based on today's prices, and not the yesteryear's of 1974. Do you really think that the illegal "state" is going to pay hundreds of thousands of Euros on the behalf of the buyers who may have paid a fraction of that on their dream homes. ? I do not think so. I don't even think foreigners will be given a chance to pay and stay on the GC land, and even if they were, good luck to them coming up with hundreds of thousands of Euros just so that they can stay in their dream homes. They will then learn, that they were sold bunch of "damaged goods" and running to the illegal "state" to ask them to keep their promise that they would pay the compensation to the legal GC owners of the land, will just simply fall on deaf ears.

I believe the appropriate song when the reality will set in with the buyers will be,

"Don't cry for me TRNC (Argentina)".!!!

Your one sided blindness has clouded your judgement once again, the Brits have mainly purchased homes on exchanged land so in many cases if the payment to the GC owner is going to be at todays prices then the land surrendered in the south will also be the same so in some cases the TC who sold his land or the current occupiers will even have money to spare.

What the hell are you talking about VP.??

Are you sure it is not your brain that is clouded in trying to protect any and all, those who commit crimes.

First of all, there has been NO EXCHANGE of land. It is only a transaction performed in the north and has absolutely no legal basis for it at all. They are as good as stolen property.

Now lets look at your above example that you gave.

If a TC has sold his "exchanged land (stolen)" to a British, and a settlement is reached, it is the British, or whom ever has bought the stolen land that has to face the music with the legal GC owner. It is the last person who has bought the property will be the one who has to pay today's price for the property, assuming they will be allowed to stay at all, and not the person who sold the land to them. What do you think it's going to happen, that the TC who sold the GC land to the British is going to go to the south to sell his land, and then come and pay the legal GC owner for the land on behalf of the Brits. What are you, a complete nuts.??

You seem to think, that there is going to be a even swap of land from the south and north. Even if that was the case, you are still going to be about 80% short of TC property to cover the GC properties. Sorry but, those who bought stolen GC land will more than likely going to lose all their investments, or, they are going to pay many times more than what they paid for the property in the first place. My guess is, most are going to "take it in the ASS" and walk away from the property than pay many times more for it. They will want to start suing people who sold them stolen GC properties, but nothing will happen. They gambled and lost, simple as that. The TC's who sold the GC property in the first place will be lucky not to get prosecuted in dealing in stolen property as he tries to retrieve his in the south to sell.

[humanist]

HOT property in the North ........ sure is stolen goods and property are often referred too as Hot

[Viewpoint]

And is true what the estate agents say? That IF any compensation is to be paid, then the Turkish Government will pay it and not the buyer. If so, then its cart blanche for anyone to buy anywhere here and never have a comeback!!!! Also Gav, a lot of people are heartbroken over lost properties, and I think that this subject is one that shouldn't treated so lightly. The local paper stated today that a Greek Cypriotin the ROC is trying to sell his land in Kyrenia, but a TRNC spokesperson said that no such sale would be legal because it would not be approved by the government (here)!! Its a mess and in all honesty I cannot see an end to it any time soon.

Hi Tess,

What an illegal "government" says to buyers of stolen GC properties cannot be relied on. How can any damn fool buying stolen property with the help from an illegal "state" can say, "well, as long as the illegal "state" says it is OK, then we don't have anything to worry about".. Talk about the buyers of the stolen GC land getting screwed Royally by the illegal "state" first and then get screwed rightfully by the legal owners later on. These buyers without a conscious of planning their retirement on stolen GC properties, deserve to lose every penny they have spent, as well as face jail time when appropriate time comes along.

Now lets talk about the compensation, that the illegal "state" is proposing to pay on behalf of the buyers. I did not hear that on the video. What I heard was, that if there was a settlement, the buyers will not lose their homes, but might have to pay a
small compensation. This small compensation was of course from the original Annan Plan of 2004, where any compensation paid to the legal GC owner, was only going to be the price of the land back in 1974, plus the difference in inflation. In another words, it was going to be a steal for the buyers, but stolen for the second time for the GC legal owner. Since the AP failed in 2004, the illegal "state" shamelessly are telling the buyers that this is how it is going to be, just to make the sale.

We all know now, that the AP is not being used for the new negotiations, much to the disappointment of the illegal "state", and if any compensation needs to be paid to the legal GC owners, it is going to be based on today's prices, and not the yesteryear's of 1974. Do you really think that the illegal "state" is going to pay hundreds of thousands of Euros on the behalf of the buyers who may have paid a fraction of that on their dream homes. ? I do not think so. I don't even think foreigners will be given a chance to pay and stay on the GC land, and even if they were, good luck to them coming up with hundreds of thousands of Euros just so that they can stay in their dream homes. They will then learn, that they were sold bunch of "damaged goods" and running to the illegal "state" to ask them to keep their promise that they would pay the compensation to the legal GC owners of the land, will just simply fall on deaf ears.

I believe the appropriate song when the reality will set in with the buyers will be,

"Don't cry for me TRNC (Argentina)".!!!

Your one sided blindness has clouded your judgement once again, the Brits have mainly purchased homes on exchanged land so in many cases if the payment to the GC owner is going to be at todays prices then the land surrendered in the south will also be the same so in some cases the TC who sold his land or the current occupiers will even have money to spare.

What the hell are you talking about VP.??

Are you sure it is not your brain that is clouded in trying to protect any and all, those who commit crimes.

First of all, there has been NO EXCHANGE of land. It is only a transaction performed in the north and has absolutely no legal basis for it at all. They are as good as stolen property.

Now lets look at your above example that you gave.

If a TC has sold his "exchanged land (stolen)" to a British, and a settlement is reached, it is the British, or whom ever has bought the stolen land that has to face the music with the legal GC owner. It is the last person who has bought the property will be the one who has to pay today's price for the property, assuming they will be allowed to stay at all, and not the person who sold the land to them. What do you think it's going to happen, that the TC who sold the GC land to the British is going to go to the south to sell his land, and then come and pay the legal GC owner for the land on behalf of the Brits. What are you, a complete nuts.??

You seem to think, that there is going to be a even swap of land from the south and north. Even if that was the case, you are still going to be about 80% short of TC property to cover the GC properties. Sorry but, those who bought stolen GC land will more than likely going to lose all their investments, or, they are going to pay many times more than what they paid for the property in the first place. My guess is, most are going to "take it in the ASS" and walk away from the property than pay many times more for it. They will want to start suing people who sold them stolen GC properties, but nothing will happen. They gambled and lost, simple as that. The TC's who sold the GC property in the first place will be lucky not to get prosecuted in dealing in stolen property as he tries to retrieve his in the south to sell.

Your crude evaluation is more a reflection of your own mindset than anything else, and shows your lack of knowledge about matters concerning the TRNC. The land that has been exchanged has been handed over to the TRNC so when or if a solution happens the Brits will go to the TRNC government and ask for the land surrendered by the TC in the south to be sold off to pay compensation to the GC former occupier will in many cases be worth far more so the Brits or the TRNC will benefit. Those you have nothing to offset will have to apply to the TRNC government who provided them will guarantees that they will not have to pay anything if a solution should come and they in turn will ask Turkey for funds to pay GCs compensation just like they are doing today.

[Kikapu]

Your crude evaluation is more a reflection of your own mindset than anything else, and shows your lack of knowledge about matters concerning the TRNC. The land that has been exchanged has been handed over to the TRNC so when or if a solution happens the Brits will go to the TRNC government and ask for the land surrendered by the TC in the south to be sold off to pay compensation to the GC former occupier will in many cases be worth far more so the Brits or the TRNC will benefit. Those you have nothing to offset will have to apply to the TRNC government who provided them will guarantees that they will not have to pay anything if a solution should come and they in turn will ask Turkey for funds to pay GCs compensation just like they are doing today.

And PIGS will fly also, as soon as the above happens.!!

As soon as a settlement is reached, there won't be any "trnc government" to help the Brits to get compensation from them, or from Turkey for that matter. All "exchanged land" has no legal basis as far as the south is concerned, and neither will the TC's let their land in the south be sold off by an "non existing trnc government" after a settlement, to sell off their land to pay off the Brits problems, because these TC's are still the legal owners of their land in the south, and not the "trnc", so stop encouraging the poor ignorant bastards into buying into stolen GC properties and telling them that the "trnc" will come to their rescue on a "white horse" as their saviour.

[DT.]

Your crude evaluation is more a reflection of your own mindset than anything else, and shows your lack of knowledge about matters concerning the TRNC. The land that has been exchanged has been handed over to the TRNC so when or if a solution happens the Brits will go to the TRNC government and ask for the land surrendered by the TC in the south to be sold off to pay compensation to the GC former occupier will in many cases be worth far more so the Brits or the TRNC will benefit. Those you have nothing to offset will have to apply to the TRNC government who provided them will guarantees that they will not have to pay anything if a solution should come and they in turn will ask Turkey for funds to pay GCs compensation just like they are doing today.

And PIGS will fly also, as soon as the above happens.!!

As soon as a settlement is reached, there won't be any "trnc government" to help the Brits to get compensation from them, or from Turkey for that matter. All "exchanged land" has no legal basis as far as the south is concerned, and neither will the TC's let their land in the south be sold off by an "non existing trnc government" after a settlement, to sell off their land to pay off the Brits problems, because these TC's are still the legal owners of their land in the south, and not the "trnc", so stop encouraging the poor ignorant bastards into buying into stolen GC properties and telling them that the "trnc" will come to their rescue on a "white horse" as their saviour.

If its so safe VP, why are the developers stressing n their ads that they are selling tc land certificated and not gc?

[tessintrnc]

tessintrnc
And is true what the estate agents say? That IF any compensation is to be paid, then the Turkish Government will pay it and not the buyer. If so, then its cart blanche for anyone to buy anywhere here and never have a comeback!!!! Also Gav, a lot of people are heartbroken over lost properties, and I think that this subject is one that shouldn't treated so lightly. The local paper stated today that a Greek Cypriotin the ROC is trying to sell his land in Kyrenia, but a TRNC spokesperson said that no such sale would be legal because it would not be approved by the government (here)!! Its a mess and in all honesty I cannot see an end to it any time soon.

You really believe that? The truth is getting shaken out of your old, and present military leaders, and now your denying progress? Its one thing to hide the truth, but to lie about it as well is nothing but corrupt selfishness. You should be ashamed at yourself for still trying to distort facts.

How am I distorting the facts? The fact is, people ARE being told that Turkey will be the ones who ultimately pay the compensation. More and more properties are being sold - albeit more new developements (on GC land) than original GC houses. This an open discussion forum is it not? I am not agreeing with the big sell off either - I never have done, so am not corrupt or selfish either. The property issue is one of the biggest "sticking" points on settlement talks isn't it? Or are you privy to info that the general public aren't on actual progress?

[humanist]

But Tess surely you can see that with people like you coming in and buying property off them you are supporting the sell off. Firstly you live in the only illegal state in the whole world so, stop saying you do not agree because you support it. Sorry but that is how it looks from this end.

[DT.]

But Tess surely you can see that with people like you coming in and buying property off them you are supporting the sell off. Firstly you live in the only illegal state in the whole world so, stop saying you do not agree because you support it. Sorry but that is how it looks from this end.

she married the problem humanist

[Viewpoint]

Your crude evaluation is more a reflection of your own mindset than anything else, and shows your lack of knowledge about matters concerning the TRNC. The land that has been exchanged has been handed over to the TRNC so when or if a solution happens the Brits will go to the TRNC government and ask for the land surrendered by the TC in the south to be sold off to pay compensation to the GC former occupier will in many cases be worth far more so the Brits or the TRNC will benefit. Those you have nothing to offset will have to apply to the TRNC government who provided them will guarantees that they will not have to pay anything if a solution should come and they in turn will ask Turkey for funds to pay GCs compensation just like they are doing today.

And PIGS will fly also, as soon as the above happens.!!

As soon as a settlement is reached, there won't be any "trnc government" to help the Brits to get compensation from them, or from Turkey for that matter. All "exchanged land" has no legal basis as far as the south is concerned, and neither will the TC's let their land in the south be sold off by an "non existing trnc government" after a settlement, to sell off their land to pay off the Brits problems, because these TC's are still the legal owners of their land in the south, and not the "trnc", so stop encouraging the poor ignorant bastards into buying into stolen GC properties and telling them that the "trnc" will come to their rescue on a "white horse" as their saviour.

You are unknowlegable in these issues the land issue will not be allowed so that TCs can double dip into property they surrendered in the south and property they sold in the north, this was clear in the AP and it will be the same in any new plan. Those that have double dipped or cheated the system to get more land than they deserved will pay the price.

[DT.]

Here it is again from jerry's post.

This is the advice from The Foreign & Coomomwealth Office.

Purchasing Property

Before purchasing property anywhere in Cyprus you are strongly advised to seek qualified legal advice from a source that is independent from the seller.

Property issues are closely linked to the political situation. There are a number of potential practical, financial and legal implications, particularly for those considering buying property in the north. These relate to the non-recognition of the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus", the suspension of EU law in northern Cyprus, the possible consequences for property of a future settlement, and the many thousands of claims to ownership from people displaced in 1974. There is also a risk that, as a result of the disputed ownership of many of the properties, purchasers could face legal proceedings in the courts of the Republic of Cyprus, as well as attempts to enforce judgments from these courts elsewhere in the EU, including the UK.

Separately, potential purchasers should also ensure that they are fully aware of the specific rules imposed by the administration on foreigners purchasing property in the north including the requirement to obtain consent to the transfer of property.

The leaders of both communities met on 21 March and agreed to re-start settlement negotiations. Property issues will clearly form a key part of those negotiations. Until those negotiations are concluded and a comprehensive settlement agreed, the issues and risks identified above will continue to apply and buyers should exercise due caution.

http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travelling-and ... neral&pg=6