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MAKARIOS WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT !!!

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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:45 am

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I did not sign any undertaking to state that I would reveal personal details to someone I do not trust, that person being yourself, your lies are in your sick twisted brain, psychopaths like you are very intelligent but still crazy and very very dangerous, you fit well into that category. For you GCs tell the truth 100% of that time because you have not even once argued any TC viewpoint this reveals again exactly how a psychopaths mind works twisted, biased and blinkered just like yours.


For you GCs tell the truth 100% of that time because you have not even once argued any TC viewpoint


Show me anywhere, that I have made any claims, that the GC's are 100% correct, and that the TC's are 100% wrong in anything and everything.

I have told you many times before, that I cannot support anyone who is in violation of others Democratic and Human Rights. Other than that, I do not have a problem supporting anyone, including my own community, the TC's.


Read all your posts all over again and you will find what you ask for.


Just as I thought.!!

Your accusation never has anything there, there.!!!


Your whole being is dedicated to the rights of GCs with disregard and great disrespect to the TC people.
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Postby Kikapu » Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:53 am

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You've spent 39 pages of kikapu asking you to condemn the slaughter of 2 unarmed men by a TC politician, 2 TC policemen, a crowd of tc's and the firearms of a number of turkish soldiers. Both beaten alive and shot in front of millions of viewers on cnn. And you've done nothing but provide excuses for these savages........and he's the psychopath :roll:


Isnt stating these people should be made accountable for their actions saying they did something wrong, just like Soloman did going up the pole?


NO!

Specially when you compare what the murdered victims did with what the murderers did. To you, they are both held "accountable" and that murderers crimes is not more severe than the murdered victims crimes, therefore it is a "wash". !!
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Postby Kikapu » Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:57 am

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I did not sign any undertaking to state that I would reveal personal details to someone I do not trust, that person being yourself, your lies are in your sick twisted brain, psychopaths like you are very intelligent but still crazy and very very dangerous, you fit well into that category. For you GCs tell the truth 100% of that time because you have not even once argued any TC viewpoint this reveals again exactly how a psychopaths mind works twisted, biased and blinkered just like yours.


For you GCs tell the truth 100% of that time because you have not even once argued any TC viewpoint


Show me anywhere, that I have made any claims, that the GC's are 100% correct, and that the TC's are 100% wrong in anything and everything.

I have told you many times before, that I cannot support anyone who is in violation of others Democratic and Human Rights. Other than that, I do not have a problem supporting anyone, including my own community, the TC's.


Read all your posts all over again and you will find what you ask for.


Just as I thought.!!

Your accusation never has anything there, there.!!!


Your whole being is dedicated to the rights of GCs with disregard and great disrespect to the TC people.


This is where you are wrong VP.!

Let me repeat myself again.

"I cannot support anyone who is in violation of others Democratic and Human Rights. Other than that, I do not have a problem supporting anyone, including my own community, the TC's".

I hope that clears it up for you.!!
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:08 pm

Then what have you to say about our rights being ripped from us in 1963? what did the GC do wrong? why did they continue to discriminate against us? where did they go wrong? and what are they doing wrong to day with regards to finding a solution?

Lets us see what you have to say and how honest you can be for all to read or will you get again fob us off with some meaningless verbal diarrhea?
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Postby Kikapu » Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:29 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Then what have you to say about our rights being ripped from us in 1963? what did the GC do wrong? why did they continue to discriminate against us? where did they go wrong? and what are they doing wrong to day with regards to finding a solution?

Lets us see what you have to say and how honest you can be for all to read or will you get again fob us off with some meaningless verbal diarrhea?



I for one could never have accepted the way the 1960 Constitution was written in the way it was, had I had the opportunity at that time. It was designed to create problems, and problems it did create. It had to be one of the most Racist, Undemocratic, and violations of Human Rights documents ever written as a form of a Constitution, until of course, the Annan Plan in 2004 for "peace". So needless to say, in order for the 1960 Constitution to work, and like all Constitutions, it needed changes from time to time, to make it work. Naturally, when the TC's said NO, it made matters worse which played into the hands of those who wanted Cyprus Partitioned, and whether the TC's withdrew from the RoC government or they were pushed out remains to be point of contention, but the end result was, it really did not matter which was the truth, because both sides by now had gotten what they wanted, a dysfunctional Independent country which was to set the stage for further misery and destruction, and misery and destruction is what we have gotten since. The biggest injustice for the TC's were from 1963 until 1974. The question remains to be answered is, who was committing these injustices on the TC community. Well, the answer is by both Makarios and Denktash, once again for their own selfish reasons.

Since 1974, if we are going to be honest, we will have to say that Denktash was not interested in peace as long as the Turkish Army was there to help him keep the divide at 37%-63% ratio. Neither were the TC's by and large, and even if they did, what could have they done, when Denktash and his cronies were controlling the lives of every TC in the north with the help of the Turkish Troops for the next 30 years in close isolation from the south. The only time any form of reconciliation with the GC's was brought to light, was because of the imminent admission of the RoC into the EU. This of course was going to be a threat to Turkey's future plans about her EU admission plans, as well as levelling the playing field for the RoC to tackle the occupation with diplomatic means, by having a veto power over Turkey, therefore this thread had to be dealt with before the RoC became a EU member, and the Annan Plan was born to solve the problem for Turkey and keep the partition plans for Denktash.

Today, as far as I can see, the GC's would like to have a settlement based on BBF, a True Federation as prescribed by the UN resolutions and not all the garbage that was in the Annan Plan that the TC's now want to adopt again. I know also, that great deal of the GC's would also like to have a Unitary Government (state) instead of BBF, and I have told you very long time ago, that this will not be possible any longer, hence the fact that I'm pushing for a more realistic option, specially for the TC's to have a state for the majority TC's in a True Federal RoC. But you can see for yourself for all the resistance that is coming from the north for a Fair and Just settlement under this plan of BBF. Instead they talk about separate citizenship's and seperate sovereignty and so on. So, if you ask me today who is an obstacle to peace, I would have to say the TC's. Tomorrow may well be a different story, but today is what it is.

Being part of the EU now, we really do not have a choice but to follow True Democracy, respecting Human Rights, and everyone treated equal politically as well as individually if we are to move forward with a settlement. Once these principles are accepted, then we can move forward for a settlement. Anything less than these principles will not be accepted by the EU, nor should they be accepted by any Cypriots. But not everyone wants a settlement as one country, but a partition such as yourself. You have been trying to get recognition since 1983 without any success, so now you would want to have an agreed partition. Some say "no, go to hell" and others say, "sure, at 82% 18%". We will have to wait and see what the present talks will produce, but those who believe, that if they can get the GC's to say another NO to another peace deal, will give them a recognition to the north is very much mistaken, and perhaps it is the reason as to why some in the north are making unreasonable demands for a settlement. I do not accept anyone will fall for those tricks anytime soon, so it's best that they get behind a True BBF settlement plans, so that we can elect a TC president for Cyprus one day, just as the blacks are about to elect one of their own to the White House. The important thing is to be an active participants for peace by all, despite the efforts of some rejectionists from both sides. There should be enough of the majority to want peace to bring about one. The majority of True Cypriots can determine the new course of Cyprus for the benefit for all Cypriots.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:49 pm

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Viewpoint wrote:Then what have you to say about our rights being ripped from us in 1963? what did the GC do wrong? why did they continue to discriminate against us? where did they go wrong? and what are they doing wrong to day with regards to finding a solution?

Lets us see what you have to say and how honest you can be for all to read or will you get again fob us off with some meaningless verbal diarrhea?



I for one could never have accepted the way the 1960 Constitution was written in the way it was, had I had the opportunity at that time. It was designed to create problems, and problems it did create. It had to be one of the most Racist, Undemocratic, and violations of Human Rights documents ever written as a form of a Constitution, until of course, the Annan Plan in 2004 for "peace". So needless to say, in order for the 1960 Constitution to work, and like all Constitutions, it needed changes from time to time, to make it work. Naturally, when the TC's said NO, it made matters worse which played into the hands of those who wanted Cyprus Partitioned, and whether the TC's withdrew from the RoC government or they were pushed out remains to be point of contention, but the end result was, it really did not matter which was the truth, because both sides by now had gotten what they wanted, a dysfunctional Independent country which was to set the stage for further misery and destruction, and misery and destruction is what we have gotten since. The biggest injustice for the TC's were from 1963 until 1974. The question remains to be answered is, who was committing these injustices on the TC community. Well, the answer is by both Makarios and Denktash, once again for their own selfish reasons.

Since 1974, if we are going to be honest, we will have to say that Denktash was not interested in peace as long as the Turkish Army was there to help him keep the divide at 37%-63% ratio. Neither were the TC's by and large, and even if they did, what could have they done, when Denktash and his cronies were controlling the lives of every TC in the north with the help of the Turkish Troops for the next 30 years in close isolation from the south. The only time any form of reconciliation with the GC's was brought to light, was because of the imminent admission of the RoC into the EU. This of course was going to be a threat to Turkey's future plans about her EU admission plans, as well as levelling the playing field for the RoC to tackle the occupation with diplomatic means, by having a veto power over Turkey, therefore this thread had to be dealt with before the RoC became a EU member, and the Annan Plan was born to solve the problem for Turkey and keep the partition plans for Denktash.

Today, as far as I can see, the GC's would like to have a settlement based on BBF, a True Federation as prescribed by the UN resolutions and not all the garbage that was in the Annan Plan that the TC's now want to adopt again. I know also, that great deal of the GC's would also like to have a Unitary Government (state) instead of BBF, and I have told you very long time ago, that this will not be possible any longer, hence the fact that I'm pushing for a more realistic option, specially for the TC's to have a state for the majority TC's in a True Federal RoC. But you can see for yourself for all the resistance that is coming from the north for a Fair and Just settlement under this plan of BBF. Instead they talk about separate citizenship's and seperate sovereignty and so on. So, if you ask me today who is an obstacle to peace, I would have to say the TC's. Tomorrow may well be a different story, but today is what it is.

Being part of the EU now, we really do not have a choice but to follow True Democracy, respecting Human Rights, and everyone treated equal politically as well as individually if we are to move forward with a settlement. Once these principles are accepted, then we can move forward for a settlement. Anything less than these principles will not be accepted by the EU, nor should they be accepted by any Cypriots. But not everyone wants a settlement as one country, but a partition such as yourself. You have been trying to get recognition since 1983 without any success, so now you would want to have an agreed partition. Some say "no, go to hell" and others say, "sure, at 82% 18%". We will have to wait and see what the present talks will produce, but those who believe, that if they can get the GC's to say another NO to another peace deal, will give them a recognition to the north is very much mistaken, and perhaps it is the reason as to why some in the north are making unreasonable demands for a settlement. I do not accept anyone will fall for those tricks anytime soon, so it's best that they get behind a True BBF settlement plans, so that we can elect a TC president for Cyprus one day, just as the blacks are about to elect one of their own to the White House. The important thing is to be an active participants for peace by all, despite the efforts of some rejectionists from both sides. There should be enough of the majority to want peace to bring about one. The majority of True Cypriots can determine the new course of Cyprus for the benefit for all Cypriots.


Now can you give it to us from a TCs perspective of things we should be concerned about taking into account the past treatment we got from the GC majority? and how if given the opportunity they will use their numerical advantage to force us to accept decisions that will effect us more negatively as a community or what we should ask for so as not to be discriminated against when dealing with an GC dominated beauracy?
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Postby Kifeas » Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:00 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Then what have you to say about our rights being ripped from us in 1963? what did the GC do wrong? why did they continue to discriminate against us? where did they go wrong? and what are they doing wrong to day with regards to finding a solution?

Lets us see what you have to say and how honest you can be for all to read or will you get again fob us off with some meaningless verbal diarrhea?



I for one could never have accepted the way the 1960 Constitution was written in the way it was, had I had the opportunity at that time. It was designed to create problems, and problems it did create. It had to be one of the most Racist, Undemocratic, and violations of Human Rights documents ever written as a form of a Constitution, until of course, the Annan Plan in 2004 for "peace". So needless to say, in order for the 1960 Constitution to work, and like all Constitutions, it needed changes from time to time, to make it work. Naturally, when the TC's said NO, it made matters worse which played into the hands of those who wanted Cyprus Partitioned, and whether the TC's withdrew from the RoC government or they were pushed out remains to be point of contention, but the end result was, it really did not matter which was the truth, because both sides by now had gotten what they wanted, a dysfunctional Independent country which was to set the stage for further misery and destruction, and misery and destruction is what we have gotten since. The biggest injustice for the TC's were from 1963 until 1974. The question remains to be answered is, who was committing these injustices on the TC community. Well, the answer is by both Makarios and Denktash, once again for their own selfish reasons.

Since 1974, if we are going to be honest, we will have to say that Denktash was not interested in peace as long as the Turkish Army was there to help him keep the divide at 37%-63% ratio. Neither were the TC's by and large, and even if they did, what could have they done, when Denktash and his cronies were controlling the lives of every TC in the north with the help of the Turkish Troops for the next 30 years in close isolation from the south. The only time any form of reconciliation with the GC's was brought to light, was because of the imminent admission of the RoC into the EU. This of course was going to be a threat to Turkey's future plans about her EU admission plans, as well as levelling the playing field for the RoC to tackle the occupation with diplomatic means, by having a veto power over Turkey, therefore this thread had to be dealt with before the RoC became a EU member, and the Annan Plan was born to solve the problem for Turkey and keep the partition plans for Denktash.

Today, as far as I can see, the GC's would like to have a settlement based on BBF, a True Federation as prescribed by the UN resolutions and not all the garbage that was in the Annan Plan that the TC's now want to adopt again. I know also, that great deal of the GC's would also like to have a Unitary Government (state) instead of BBF, and I have told you very long time ago, that this will not be possible any longer, hence the fact that I'm pushing for a more realistic option, specially for the TC's to have a state for the majority TC's in a True Federal RoC. But you can see for yourself for all the resistance that is coming from the north for a Fair and Just settlement under this plan of BBF. Instead they talk about separate citizenship's and seperate sovereignty and so on. So, if you ask me today who is an obstacle to peace, I would have to say the TC's. Tomorrow may well be a different story, but today is what it is.

Being part of the EU now, we really do not have a choice but to follow True Democracy, respecting Human Rights, and everyone treated equal politically as well as individually if we are to move forward with a settlement. Once these principles are accepted, then we can move forward for a settlement. Anything less than these principles will not be accepted by the EU, nor should they be accepted by any Cypriots. But not everyone wants a settlement as one country, but a partition such as yourself. You have been trying to get recognition since 1983 without any success, so now you would want to have an agreed partition. Some say "no, go to hell" and others say, "sure, at 82% 18%". We will have to wait and see what the present talks will produce, but those who believe, that if they can get the GC's to say another NO to another peace deal, will give them a recognition to the north is very much mistaken, and perhaps it is the reason as to why some in the north are making unreasonable demands for a settlement. I do not accept anyone will fall for those tricks anytime soon, so it's best that they get behind a True BBF settlement plans, so that we can elect a TC president for Cyprus one day, just as the blacks are about to elect one of their own to the White House. The important thing is to be an active participants for peace by all, despite the efforts of some rejectionists from both sides. There should be enough of the majority to want peace to bring about one. The majority of True Cypriots can determine the new course of Cyprus for the benefit for all Cypriots.


I have to say, Kikapu, that this is probably one of the best recap assessments I have ever come across, for the both the past and the present picture of Cyprus. It is lean, compact but so comprehensive. It is one of the most spherical and balanced assessments one can possibly read.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:10 pm

Kifeas wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Then what have you to say about our rights being ripped from us in 1963? what did the GC do wrong? why did they continue to discriminate against us? where did they go wrong? and what are they doing wrong to day with regards to finding a solution?

Lets us see what you have to say and how honest you can be for all to read or will you get again fob us off with some meaningless verbal diarrhea?



I for one could never have accepted the way the 1960 Constitution was written in the way it was, had I had the opportunity at that time. It was designed to create problems, and problems it did create. It had to be one of the most Racist, Undemocratic, and violations of Human Rights documents ever written as a form of a Constitution, until of course, the Annan Plan in 2004 for "peace". So needless to say, in order for the 1960 Constitution to work, and like all Constitutions, it needed changes from time to time, to make it work. Naturally, when the TC's said NO, it made matters worse which played into the hands of those who wanted Cyprus Partitioned, and whether the TC's withdrew from the RoC government or they were pushed out remains to be point of contention, but the end result was, it really did not matter which was the truth, because both sides by now had gotten what they wanted, a dysfunctional Independent country which was to set the stage for further misery and destruction, and misery and destruction is what we have gotten since. The biggest injustice for the TC's were from 1963 until 1974. The question remains to be answered is, who was committing these injustices on the TC community. Well, the answer is by both Makarios and Denktash, once again for their own selfish reasons.

Since 1974, if we are going to be honest, we will have to say that Denktash was not interested in peace as long as the Turkish Army was there to help him keep the divide at 37%-63% ratio. Neither were the TC's by and large, and even if they did, what could have they done, when Denktash and his cronies were controlling the lives of every TC in the north with the help of the Turkish Troops for the next 30 years in close isolation from the south. The only time any form of reconciliation with the GC's was brought to light, was because of the imminent admission of the RoC into the EU. This of course was going to be a threat to Turkey's future plans about her EU admission plans, as well as levelling the playing field for the RoC to tackle the occupation with diplomatic means, by having a veto power over Turkey, therefore this thread had to be dealt with before the RoC became a EU member, and the Annan Plan was born to solve the problem for Turkey and keep the partition plans for Denktash.

Today, as far as I can see, the GC's would like to have a settlement based on BBF, a True Federation as prescribed by the UN resolutions and not all the garbage that was in the Annan Plan that the TC's now want to adopt again. I know also, that great deal of the GC's would also like to have a Unitary Government (state) instead of BBF, and I have told you very long time ago, that this will not be possible any longer, hence the fact that I'm pushing for a more realistic option, specially for the TC's to have a state for the majority TC's in a True Federal RoC. But you can see for yourself for all the resistance that is coming from the north for a Fair and Just settlement under this plan of BBF. Instead they talk about separate citizenship's and seperate sovereignty and so on. So, if you ask me today who is an obstacle to peace, I would have to say the TC's. Tomorrow may well be a different story, but today is what it is.

Being part of the EU now, we really do not have a choice but to follow True Democracy, respecting Human Rights, and everyone treated equal politically as well as individually if we are to move forward with a settlement. Once these principles are accepted, then we can move forward for a settlement. Anything less than these principles will not be accepted by the EU, nor should they be accepted by any Cypriots. But not everyone wants a settlement as one country, but a partition such as yourself. You have been trying to get recognition since 1983 without any success, so now you would want to have an agreed partition. Some say "no, go to hell" and others say, "sure, at 82% 18%". We will have to wait and see what the present talks will produce, but those who believe, that if they can get the GC's to say another NO to another peace deal, will give them a recognition to the north is very much mistaken, and perhaps it is the reason as to why some in the north are making unreasonable demands for a settlement. I do not accept anyone will fall for those tricks anytime soon, so it's best that they get behind a True BBF settlement plans, so that we can elect a TC president for Cyprus one day, just as the blacks are about to elect one of their own to the White House. The important thing is to be an active participants for peace by all, despite the efforts of some rejectionists from both sides. There should be enough of the majority to want peace to bring about one. The majority of True Cypriots can determine the new course of Cyprus for the benefit for all Cypriots.


I have to say, Kikapu, that this is probably one of the best recap assessments I have ever come across, for the both the past and the present picture of Cyprus. It is lean, compact but so comprehensive. It is one of the most spherical and balanced assessments one can possibly read.


Its an overall assessment but what I asked Kikapu to do was provide a TC viewpoint as what our concerns should be and what safeguards we should ask for in a BBF political equality solution. I know I am asking for the impossible but I am a TC and am concerned about GC domination over both the south and north in the future, how will we take steps to ensure that GCs are not allowed to control the whole island and stop them from pushing us to one side. If of course the GCs have no such intentions then these safeguards will become redundent if they have then they will obviously object.
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Postby Kikapu » Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:14 pm

Kifeas wrote:
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Viewpoint wrote:Then what have you to say about our rights being ripped from us in 1963? what did the GC do wrong? why did they continue to discriminate against us? where did they go wrong? and what are they doing wrong to day with regards to finding a solution?

Lets us see what you have to say and how honest you can be for all to read or will you get again fob us off with some meaningless verbal diarrhea?



I for one could never have accepted the way the 1960 Constitution was written in the way it was, had I had the opportunity at that time. It was designed to create problems, and problems it did create. It had to be one of the most Racist, Undemocratic, and violations of Human Rights documents ever written as a form of a Constitution, until of course, the Annan Plan in 2004 for "peace". So needless to say, in order for the 1960 Constitution to work, and like all Constitutions, it needed changes from time to time, to make it work. Naturally, when the TC's said NO, it made matters worse which played into the hands of those who wanted Cyprus Partitioned, and whether the TC's withdrew from the RoC government or they were pushed out remains to be point of contention, but the end result was, it really did not matter which was the truth, because both sides by now had gotten what they wanted, a dysfunctional Independent country which was to set the stage for further misery and destruction, and misery and destruction is what we have gotten since. The biggest injustice for the TC's were from 1963 until 1974. The question remains to be answered is, who was committing these injustices on the TC community. Well, the answer is by both Makarios and Denktash, once again for their own selfish reasons.

Since 1974, if we are going to be honest, we will have to say that Denktash was not interested in peace as long as the Turkish Army was there to help him keep the divide at 37%-63% ratio. Neither were the TC's by and large, and even if they did, what could have they done, when Denktash and his cronies were controlling the lives of every TC in the north with the help of the Turkish Troops for the next 30 years in close isolation from the south. The only time any form of reconciliation with the GC's was brought to light, was because of the imminent admission of the RoC into the EU. This of course was going to be a threat to Turkey's future plans about her EU admission plans, as well as levelling the playing field for the RoC to tackle the occupation with diplomatic means, by having a veto power over Turkey, therefore this thread had to be dealt with before the RoC became a EU member, and the Annan Plan was born to solve the problem for Turkey and keep the partition plans for Denktash.

Today, as far as I can see, the GC's would like to have a settlement based on BBF, a True Federation as prescribed by the UN resolutions and not all the garbage that was in the Annan Plan that the TC's now want to adopt again. I know also, that great deal of the GC's would also like to have a Unitary Government (state) instead of BBF, and I have told you very long time ago, that this will not be possible any longer, hence the fact that I'm pushing for a more realistic option, specially for the TC's to have a state for the majority TC's in a True Federal RoC. But you can see for yourself for all the resistance that is coming from the north for a Fair and Just settlement under this plan of BBF. Instead they talk about separate citizenship's and seperate sovereignty and so on. So, if you ask me today who is an obstacle to peace, I would have to say the TC's. Tomorrow may well be a different story, but today is what it is.

Being part of the EU now, we really do not have a choice but to follow True Democracy, respecting Human Rights, and everyone treated equal politically as well as individually if we are to move forward with a settlement. Once these principles are accepted, then we can move forward for a settlement. Anything less than these principles will not be accepted by the EU, nor should they be accepted by any Cypriots. But not everyone wants a settlement as one country, but a partition such as yourself. You have been trying to get recognition since 1983 without any success, so now you would want to have an agreed partition. Some say "no, go to hell" and others say, "sure, at 82% 18%". We will have to wait and see what the present talks will produce, but those who believe, that if they can get the GC's to say another NO to another peace deal, will give them a recognition to the north is very much mistaken, and perhaps it is the reason as to why some in the north are making unreasonable demands for a settlement. I do not accept anyone will fall for those tricks anytime soon, so it's best that they get behind a True BBF settlement plans, so that we can elect a TC president for Cyprus one day, just as the blacks are about to elect one of their own to the White House. The important thing is to be an active participants for peace by all, despite the efforts of some rejectionists from both sides. There should be enough of the majority to want peace to bring about one. The majority of True Cypriots can determine the new course of Cyprus for the benefit for all Cypriots.


I have to say, Kikapu, that this is probably one of the best recap assessments I have ever come across, for the both the past and the present picture of Cyprus. It is lean, compact but so comprehensive. It is one of the most spherical and balanced assessments one can possibly read.


Thank you Kifeas.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:35 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Then what have you to say about our rights being ripped from us in 1963? what did the GC do wrong? why did they continue to discriminate against us? where did they go wrong? and what are they doing wrong to day with regards to finding a solution?

Lets us see what you have to say and how honest you can be for all to read or will you get again fob us off with some meaningless verbal diarrhea?



I for one could never have accepted the way the 1960 Constitution was written in the way it was, had I had the opportunity at that time. It was designed to create problems, and problems it did create. It had to be one of the most Racist, Undemocratic, and violations of Human Rights documents ever written as a form of a Constitution, until of course, the Annan Plan in 2004 for "peace". So needless to say, in order for the 1960 Constitution to work, and like all Constitutions, it needed changes from time to time, to make it work. Naturally, when the TC's said NO, it made matters worse which played into the hands of those who wanted Cyprus Partitioned, and whether the TC's withdrew from the RoC government or they were pushed out remains to be point of contention, but the end result was, it really did not matter which was the truth, because both sides by now had gotten what they wanted, a dysfunctional Independent country which was to set the stage for further misery and destruction, and misery and destruction is what we have gotten since. The biggest injustice for the TC's were from 1963 until 1974. The question remains to be answered is, who was committing these injustices on the TC community. Well, the answer is by both Makarios and Denktash, once again for their own selfish reasons.

Since 1974, if we are going to be honest, we will have to say that Denktash was not interested in peace as long as the Turkish Army was there to help him keep the divide at 37%-63% ratio. Neither were the TC's by and large, and even if they did, what could have they done, when Denktash and his cronies were controlling the lives of every TC in the north with the help of the Turkish Troops for the next 30 years in close isolation from the south. The only time any form of reconciliation with the GC's was brought to light, was because of the imminent admission of the RoC into the EU. This of course was going to be a threat to Turkey's future plans about her EU admission plans, as well as levelling the playing field for the RoC to tackle the occupation with diplomatic means, by having a veto power over Turkey, therefore this thread had to be dealt with before the RoC became a EU member, and the Annan Plan was born to solve the problem for Turkey and keep the partition plans for Denktash.

Today, as far as I can see, the GC's would like to have a settlement based on BBF, a True Federation as prescribed by the UN resolutions and not all the garbage that was in the Annan Plan that the TC's now want to adopt again. I know also, that great deal of the GC's would also like to have a Unitary Government (state) instead of BBF, and I have told you very long time ago, that this will not be possible any longer, hence the fact that I'm pushing for a more realistic option, specially for the TC's to have a state for the majority TC's in a True Federal RoC. But you can see for yourself for all the resistance that is coming from the north for a Fair and Just settlement under this plan of BBF. Instead they talk about separate citizenship's and seperate sovereignty and so on. So, if you ask me today who is an obstacle to peace, I would have to say the TC's. Tomorrow may well be a different story, but today is what it is.

Being part of the EU now, we really do not have a choice but to follow True Democracy, respecting Human Rights, and everyone treated equal politically as well as individually if we are to move forward with a settlement. Once these principles are accepted, then we can move forward for a settlement. Anything less than these principles will not be accepted by the EU, nor should they be accepted by any Cypriots. But not everyone wants a settlement as one country, but a partition such as yourself. You have been trying to get recognition since 1983 without any success, so now you would want to have an agreed partition. Some say "no, go to hell" and others say, "sure, at 82% 18%". We will have to wait and see what the present talks will produce, but those who believe, that if they can get the GC's to say another NO to another peace deal, will give them a recognition to the north is very much mistaken, and perhaps it is the reason as to why some in the north are making unreasonable demands for a settlement. I do not accept anyone will fall for those tricks anytime soon, so it's best that they get behind a True BBF settlement plans, so that we can elect a TC president for Cyprus one day, just as the blacks are about to elect one of their own to the White House. The important thing is to be an active participants for peace by all, despite the efforts of some rejectionists from both sides. There should be enough of the majority to want peace to bring about one. The majority of True Cypriots can determine the new course of Cyprus for the benefit for all Cypriots.


I have to say, Kikapu, that this is probably one of the best recap assessments I have ever come across, for the both the past and the present picture of Cyprus. It is lean, compact but so comprehensive. It is one of the most spherical and balanced assessments one can possibly read.


Thank you Kifeas.


Great praise from another GC you all think alike Kikapu must make you proud to know you project 100% the GC viewpoint that even Kifeas could find no fault.
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