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[soyer]

repulsewarrior
I try to write as much as my personal life permits me on CF, but Kikapu’s unexpected and unacceptable incorrect accusations make me to stop and argue for what I have written before. In order to continue we must eliminate our difference with Kikapu.

I said during our captivity WOMEN was separated from MEN.

Kikapu reaction was, “men were also with us at the school.!”

Good old Halil, point out some links that some others also claim on they captivity WOMEN was separated from MEN.

Obviously there is a big difference between claims, At this point I feel like if I continue and ignore this difference, it will be a meaningless to argue over untruth fabrications.

one more time for correction,
Kikapu must come out from his shell with his answer WHETHER MEN WAS SEPARATED OR NOT.

[repulsewarrior]

soyer, it is very fortunate for us that kikapu was a witness also, to this event, because we have a very real chance to learn something about our own suffering, beyond the tit for tat which has always been the case when these recollections are used to justify a sense of non-confidence among us. it is not at all important whether he has a view of the events different to yours, and you can only answer for yourself, like anyone of us. if you want to be helpful, and you feel that it helps you to describe this horrible incident in your life, continue what you started, we would like to hear more. denying us, and blaming kikapu is of no useful consequence and it shows a weakness in your position which leaves your credibility on the line. write soyer, for us, and allow kikapu his due as well.

[soyer]

[quote="repulsewarrior"]soyer, it is very fortunate for us that kikapu was a witness also, to this event, because we have a very real chance to learn something about our own suffering, beyond the tit for tat which has always been the case when these recollections are used to justify a sense of non-confidence among us. it is not at all important whether he has a view of the events different to yours, and you can only answer for yourself, like anyone of us. if you want to be helpful, and you feel that it helps you to describe this horrible incident in your life, continue what you started, we would like to hear more. denying us, and blaming kikapu is of no useful consequence and it shows a weakness in your position which leaves your credibility on the line. write soyer, for us, and allow kikapu his due as well.

WHETHER MEN WAS SEPARATED OR NOT

ANSWER KIKAPU

[repulsewarrior]

ok soyer, focus on kikapu, obsess yourself, nothing and no one else matters to you...

you are a Turk, while kikapu is "merely" Turkish. that is why you treat him as your enemy, that is plainly obvious.

...and as for the rest of us we don't count because nothing is more important than Turkey, the "State" and her designs.
soyer, you have Humanity, or you don't; you choose.

[Kikapu]

repulsewarrior
I try to write as much as my personal life permits me on CF, but Kikapu’s unexpected and unacceptable incorrect accusations make me to stop and argue for what I have written before. In order to continue we must eliminate our difference with Kikapu.

I said during our captivity WOMEN was separated from MEN.

Kikapu reaction was, “men were also with us at the school.!”

Good old Halil, point out some links that some others also claim on they captivity WOMEN was separated from MEN.

Obviously there is a big difference between claims, At this point I feel like if I continue and ignore this difference, it will be a meaningless to argue over untruth fabrications.

one more time for correction,
Kikapu must come out from his shell with his answer WHETHER MEN WAS SEPARATED OR NOT.

Soyer, stop beating a dead horse with your lies. Who ever argued the fact, that women and children were not separated from the men. When was the last time men, women and children were all kept mixed as prisoners anywhere in the world. I told you that all the men, women and children were all kept at the school and that is correct, and I have also told you that some parts of the peoples stories were not correct, and that is also true. But how would you know, because you were not there Soyer.


Soyer, the time has come that I'm going to stop being nice to you from now on, because you are continuing to feed off the flesh of the TC victims held as prisoners in 63. All you have done in the last 3 weeks since claiming to be one of the victims (while your family were on a holiday somewhere I assume, since you have not mentioned them at all), goes to show what a low life scum bag NeoPartitionist you are. The reason why I have tolerated your bullshit to this point, is to make you the "poster-boy" on what a Fascist NeoPartitionist looks like. You are it Soyer. You will do anything to divide Cyprus, even if it means using your own people's misery. I bet you will blow up your own children if you had to. You have the typical TMT mentality. Have you noticed that VP and Halil are not saving your butt anymore, is because they know what a big liar you are with all your turning and twisting without telling us anything about your capture makes you a joke and they don't want to get their heads chopped off again, in trying to protect you. All you have done is using other victims information to make believe you were there. It's OK Soyer, we don't need an apology from you for your lies. We already know that you are a liar, but most importantly, you know yourself what a big liar you are. That's enough for us to know that, so you can now FUCK OFF.!!

[Kikapu]

soyer, it is your story that is important, and it is becoming quite obvious that there is no personal story. I am sorry, I have tried to advocate for reason but you ignore the real issue, which is, were you there? If these people could speak for themselves you would have a defence. However they are to us only mythical figures since they can only remain without their own voice in what is a real event. (perhaps you can provide links where these statements are verified by an impartial source). I think it is time to tell us more of your experience or rest, content that myself, and other forum members can accept your company, but that your credibility is next to nil.

Even though you are a seperatist, I have joined with others to continue the merits of our dialog in a manner where our hope is to promote the understanding we need to get on with our lives, and toward a solution which will give us some closure. In your personal messages to me you support my Manifesto, and you claimed to be a proud Turkish Cypriot publicly. From your signature and your defense of Turkish atrocities it is plainly obvious that it is only a ploy. You are not a Turkish Cypriot but a TC, and in my mind, more specificly, a Cypriot Turk. I am very sorry for you. You have sold yourself for a doctrine which would plunder, lie and murder, simply because if it is not Turkish, it is to be dismissed. Worse than a white bigot from the past, and equal to the small minded who are causing the pain today in Africa, you are in all affects a person who supports Ignorance because it supports your cause. Rarely do I express this kind of sentiment. Plainly put, my respect for you borders on disgust. I hope, still that you can redeem yourself. That would include some honesty as a person, some humility as a man, or more insight into your life, since you are so brave to proclaim that you were there, and it is a justification for your position. Permanent Partition certainly suits the liars and the thieves who profit from keeping us apart, and who have a lot to hide.

It seems that You are no better than the "Greeks" you (and all of us but for different reasons) have so much hatred for.

I congratulate your above post. You have described Soyer very well to the type of person and a liar that he is.

I will show you where Soyer has tripped himself with the "old monastery" story very soon.

In the meantime, lets watch Soyer tell us more excuses as to why he won't tell us his story. The reason is, the "old monastery" does not exist, as far as where the TC's were held as prisoners goes, so he has gotten his BALLS stuck in a vice, and which ever way he moves, he can't get out of his false claim. From now on, Soyers BALLS belongs to me, because he does not need them anymore, since it takes BALLS to admit when one lies. Of course, it also takes good character and integrity, which he does not have those either. In fact, from now on, Soyer has very little to his name.

[soyer]

Kikapu wrote:

Soyer, stop beating a dead horse with your lies. Who ever argued the fact, that women and children were not separated from the men. When was the last time men, women and children were all kept mixed as prisoners anywhere in the world. I told you that all the men, women and children were all kept at the school and that is correct, and I have also told you that some parts of the peoples stories were not correct, and that is also true. But how would you know, because you were not there Soyer.

Of course I know otherwise, I wouldn't know if I was not there.

Mrs Gazioglu ------------------------- they took us to a big monastery [Cikko]
Ahmet Tolgay------------------------ dondurma fabrikasi-- ice cream factory
Sevgul Uludag & Ayse Zeytincioglu---- Cikko’nun manastırı-- kadınları, erkekleri ayırdıydılar
Solmaz ersoz & Hasan Hasturer---- Cikkos Manastırına--- ice cream factory-- separated the men
And many more

What part of this people claim "not correct". Most probability this people don't know each other now, so how do they experience match up so well, even a ice cream factory in Kaimakli, and your allegation is nowhere near to theirs.
Unlike yourself I don't want to call you a liar in hasty, but obviosly you must explain why they all call monastery and you insist on school. Now that you accept men being separated perhaps you tell us where they were kept away from they familys. One thing I know for sure this people are not liars having said that by looking at your story sure someone is lying.
I am sure Ayseaba not lying.

[halil]

repulsewarrior
I try to write as much as my personal life permits me on CF, but Kikapu’s unexpected and unacceptable incorrect accusations make me to stop and argue for what I have written before. In order to continue we must eliminate our difference with Kikapu.

I said during our captivity WOMEN was separated from MEN.

Kikapu reaction was, “men were also with us at the school.!”

Good old Halil, point out some links that some others also claim on they captivity WOMEN was separated from MEN.

Obviously there is a big difference between claims, At this point I feel like if I continue and ignore this difference, it will be a meaningless to argue over untruth fabrications.

one more time for correction,
Kikapu must come out from his shell with his answer WHETHER MEN WAS SEPARATED OR NOT.

Soyer, stop beating a dead horse with your lies. Who ever argued the fact, that women and children were not separated from the men. When was the last time men, women and children were all kept mixed as prisoners anywhere in the world. I told you that all the men, women and children were all kept at the school and that is correct, and I have also told you that some parts of the peoples stories were not correct, and that is also true. But how would you know, because you were not there Soyer.


Soyer, the time has come that I'm going to stop being nice to you from now on, because you are continuing to feed off the flesh of the TC victims held as prisoners in 63. All you have done in the last 3 weeks since claiming to be one of the victims (while your family were on a holiday somewhere I assume, since you have not mentioned them at all), goes to show what a low life scum bag NeoPartitionist you are. The reason why I have tolerated your bullshit to this point, is to make you the "poster-boy" on what a Fascist NeoPartitionist looks like. You are it Soyer. You will do anything to divide Cyprus, even if it means using your own people's misery. I bet you will blow up your own children if you had to. You have the typical TMT mentality. Have you noticed that VP and Halil are not saving your butt anymore, is because they know what a big liar you are with all your turning and twisting without telling us anything about your capture makes you a joke and they don't want to get their heads chopped off again, in trying to protect you. All you have done is using other victims information to make believe you were there. It's OK Soyer, we don't need an apology from you for your lies. We already know that you are a liar, but most importantly, you know yourself what a big liar you are. That's enough for us to know that, so you can now
FUCK OFF.!!

Kikapu ,
I am not interested with little details .without knowing anything about the subject there was no sense for me for arguing .İt doesn't mean you or Soyer was wrong or right for me .What's matter for me that at 63 more 5000 TC's was kicked out from they are houses . Untill now no one bother what happened those people losses .Did you ever think no you didn't .
Did you read Hasan Hastürer writings about Kaymaklı ?

I asked you give me some information about little girl you didn't . When i remember i do asked sometimes about little girl most of the people didn't get at all what i am asking for .

İf you wanna share your expriencies share if you are not what's the point for boyh of you keep claiming you are right he is wrong or etc......

[Kikapu]

Soyer, stop beating a dead horse with your lies. Who ever argued the fact, that women and children were not separated from the men. When was the last time men, women and children were all kept mixed as prisoners anywhere in the world. I told you that all the men, women and children were all kept at the school and that is correct, and I have also told you that some parts of the peoples stories were not correct, and that is also true. But how would you know, because you were not there Soyer.

Of course I know otherwise, I wouldn't know if I was not there.

Soyer, you don't know shit. All you are doing, is repeating what you have read on what these people wrote. In your initial answer to my question about your experience as a prisoner, you did not mention anything about what these people are saying. Only after Halil posted their stories, that you stole them, except for one thing and that is, there is a false reporting on the cikko monastery, and there is a very good explanation for that as to why these people said cikko monastery, but since you were not there and I was, you assumed it was a "old monastery", so that's why I know that you were there. You are continuing to steal these peoples experiences to make them yours. Soyer, you are a scum bag and you can take that to the bank.

Here is your very first answer to my question regarding your imprisonment by EOKA.

i have very bad memorable hard times end of 1963 in K. Kaymakli (Omorfida) i was prisoner under that flag of yours at age of 12

Where were you a prisoner in 1963 Soyer..??

I was takeing from K. Kaymakli believe date was 24 or 25/12/1963 midday to noon travel to one old monastery not to far from Nicosia where they keep as for some days until British solders force G/Cs EOKA to cease fire and then with RAF trucks most of as turn back to Nicosia Turkish zone, some never did turn up, and never will.

For asking me this i take that you also had some involvement there. 21/12/63 evening EOKA begin killing Turks in Nicosia then they notice that about 10.000 G/Cs was cut of in Trachonas in order to have access to them EOKA choose Kumsal region where they kill mother and three children in bahroom that attack was unsuccessful for EOKA and Kalamaras, so they commence attack on Omorfita from two different direction one from Kaymakli to Omorfita center and the other Turkish primary school direction led by Nikos Samson . Soon Turks accept that it was impossible to stop this bloodthirsty animals/murderers with few shotguns. so they begin to escape to Nicosia direction but by then Samson was finish with school plus Omorfita police station and closed completely Nicosia way. On one side Samson west side Trachonas and east was Kaimakli only one direction open for as was Mandres, many people with help of my school teacher Huseyin Ruso manage to cross over bypass which was heavily under gunfire from Kaimakli it was still couple hundred people left when brave Turk H. Ruso shot dead and escape become impossible. Greeks start gathering people outside futbol club and there start cheap victory show of Nikos Samson and second group leader which i am not sure his identity, someone told me recently that he was expresident of yours Papa i don't know how true, years gone by and people has change.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=60

"For asking me this i take that you also had some involvement there".

Soyer, apart from the quote above, you did not write the rest but rather copy/paste it from others experiences. You once again stole others writings and made it your own. If you look closely, which you have not, there are at least 3 different kinds of writing styles in the quote above. So in another words, you never wrote this quote below as being your own experience. You have been lying to us from day one, and I have known this and you still continue to lie.

"I was takeing from K. Kaymakli believe date was 24 or 25/12/1963 midday to noon travel to one old monastery not to far from Nicosia where they keep as for some days until British solders force G/Cs EOKA to cease fire and then with RAF trucks most of as turn back to Nicosia Turkish zone, some never did turn up, and never will."

Mrs Gazioglu ------------------------- they took us to a big monastery [Cikko]
Ahmet Tolgay------------------------ dondurma fabrikasi-- ice cream factory
Sevgul Uludag & Ayse Zeytincioglu---- Cikko’nun manastırı-- kadınları, erkekleri ayırdıydılar
Solmaz ersoz & Hasan Hasturer---- Cikkos Manastırına--- ice cream factory-- separated the men
And many more

What part of this people claim "not correct". Most probability this people don't know each other now, so how do they experience match up so well, even a ice cream factory in Kaimakli, and your allegation is nowhere near to theirs.
Unlike yourself I don't want to call you a liar in hasty, but obviosly you must explain why they all call monastery and you insist on school. Now that you accept men being separated perhaps you tell us where they were kept away from they familys. One thing I know for sure this people are not liars having said that by looking at your story sure someone is lying.
I am sure Ayseaba not lying.

Leave these poor people alone. they are not lying. They have made a mistake with the cikko monastery part which I can explain very simply, but you cannot, because you were not there . I'm still waiting to find out why you were with Ramadan Dayi and not with your own family in captivity.?

Soyer, just know that you are scum which you have proven to us every day. All you are tying to do is get my information on the schools to save your ass. Don't worry, I'll tell it all, which will once and for all bury you with your lies. In the meantime, I'm just enjoying seeing you looking for a place to hide. You can run Soyer, but you cant hide, because I have got you by the BALLS, and I'm not letting them go so easily.

[soyer]

Soyer, you don't know shit. All you are doing, is repeating what you have read on what these people wrote. In your initial answer to my question about your experience as a prisoner, you did not mention anything about what these people are saying. Only after Halil posted their stories, that you stole them, except for one thing and that is, there is a false reporting on the cikko monastery, and there is a very good explanation for that as to why these people said cikko monastery, but since you were not there and I was, you assumed it was a "old monastery", so that's why I know that you were there. You are continuing to steal these peoples experiences to make them yours. Soyer, you are a scum bag and you can take that to the bank.

Make your bloody mind up was I there or not, you accept me being there but this acceptance will not help you.

Thing before you write you shit-head. I wrote my experience well before Halil provide them links. YOU IDIOT. This is why I don't want to finish with you because is not so easy to find another idiot like you. I have not really start with you yet.