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[Kikapu]

soyer, these people, the ones you mentioned, are not here to speak for themselves. You are able to give us your personal insights on this incident, and since you opened the thread it is expected that you would be willing. This is what Kikapu needs, as do all of us. Again, your story touched me, there was enough detail described well enough to make it believable, and so here we are, two displaced people, who understand the meaning of this Injustice. If you respect the suffering that is this state because you are a victim, having had the courage to speak, I suggest that you look deep, because you cannot discount our use as pawns by people who have no sense of their own ignorance, and who will do anything for their own plunder of other peoples' lives.

You need to give Kikapu an answer, if you were both there, it should not be hard for you, ...even if the stories do not match up, there are many reasons for that. Curious, were there other children in the compound? who did you play with? There must be some moments that you can recall where you were comforted, and where people were able to laugh, even in that misery. Can you tell us?

We will come to all that in dua time, just be patient, otherwise Kikapu will use this to course confusion.

No "Tom Soyer", the only person who is trying to cause a confusion over your lies so that you can make an "escape", is you. All I'm doing is keeping the fire lite under your butt to tell the truth. You have not told the truth since you have made the claim to be imprisoned in '63 almost 3 weeks ago. You are a perfect example what a "Corrupted Society" produces, which is a morally corrupted person such as yourself, who despite not being able to back up his claims to be a "prisoner" in 1963, he does not have the moral courage to admit it. You do not belong in any civilized society "Tom Soyer", because you do not have the integrity or the principles. You are just a waste of every one's time.!

[soyer]

Kikapu wrote:

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No "Tom Soyer", they are not liars despite part of the information they gave not being very accurate, but you are a liar, because some of the details they gave, puts us in the same place where we were held, which was at the school. Your biggest mistake was by copying their information and making it to be your own personal experience was, that they do not mention the school, but you claimed you were with these people you listed above at a "old Monastery" because they mentioned the "cikko monastery". There was no "old monastery" where the TC's were held at and I will explain all this as soon as you make a formal apology to the forum members and to all those TC's who were held as prisoners, for fabricating your story..

Mrs Gazioglu ------------------------- they took us to a big monastery [Cikko]
Ahmet Tolgay------------------------ dondurma fabrikasi (ice cream factory)
Sevgul Uludag & Ayse Zeytincioglu---- Cikko’nun manastırı-- kadınları, erkekleri ayırdıydılar-- separated the men
Solmaz ersoz & Hasan Hasturer---- Cikkos Manastırına--- ice cream factory-- separated the men
And many more

How accurate they are? knowing you "not being very accurate" means anything to you.
I take you approve they claim on separation the men from women.
just simple question.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu wrote:

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No "Tom Soyer", they are not liars despite part of the information they gave not being very accurate, but you are a liar, because some of the details they gave, puts us in the same place where we were held, which was at the school. Your biggest mistake was by copying their information and making it to be your own personal experience was, that they do not mention the school, but you claimed you were with these people you listed above at a "old Monastery" because they mentioned the "cikko monastery". There was no "old monastery" where the TC's were held at and I will explain all this as soon as you make a formal apology to the forum members and to all those TC's who were held as prisoners, for fabricating your story..

Mrs Gazioglu ------------------------- they took us to a big monastery [Cikko]
Ahmet Tolgay------------------------ dondurma fabrikasi (ice cream factory)
Sevgul Uludag & Ayse Zeytincioglu---- Cikko’nun manastırı-- kadınları, erkekleri ayırdıydılar-- separated the men
Solmaz ersoz & Hasan Hasturer---- Cikkos Manastırına--- ice cream factory-- separated the men
And many more

How accurate they are? knowing you "not being very accurate" means anything to you.
I take you approve they claim on separation the men from women.
just simple question.

"Tom Soyer", why the hell are you arguing with me over what these people experienced. I am not doubting them for the most part. Shouldn't you be telling us about your experiences and not others. I have told you what there are errors in what these people have said, and as soon as you make a formal apology for fabricating your "prisoner in 1963" story. Don't forget "Tom Soyer", I, along with my family, we were all there, and it was not a "old monastery".

This is also a good time to ask you a very important question. You have mentioned being held with the people you have listed above as well as being kept as a prisoner with Ramadan Dayi, but you have said nothing about your family being held also. Was you father, uncle, or other male family member kept prisoner with you, and what about your mother and sisters or younger brothers. No grandparents either?. What happened "Tom Soyer"?. Were you left at home all alone and everyone else went to TC part of Nicosia when the war broke out, and you had to stay with Ramadan Dayi. In your haste to tell us your interrogation as a prisoner at the hands of the murdering EOKA, you have forgot all about your family members, and for the last 3 weeks, you have not said a word about them being held prisoners, but you want to tell me about the people you have listed above. I guess I must have shocked you, that I was one of the prisoners, which sent you spinning into confusion to tell the truth "Tom Soyer". We all know you are lying. Enough already. You are making all TC's look bad, as if they are not able to tell the truth, even after being caught "red handed", as you have been.!!

[soyer]

Mrs Gazioglu ------------------------- they took us to a big monastery [Cikko]
Ahmet Tolgay------------------------ dondurma fabrikasi (ice cream factory)
Sevgul Uludag & Ayse Zeytincioglu---- Cikko’nun manastırı-- kadınları, erkekleri ayırdıydılar-- separated the men
Solmaz ersoz & Hasan Hasturer---- Cikkos Manastırına--- ice cream factory-- separated the men
And many more

How accurate they are? knowing you "not being very accurate" means anything to you.
I take you approve they claim on separation the men from women.
just simple question.

Why you don't answer this one Kikapu. No need to show emotion. You answer this one so we can go on to everything else all in good time.

YES approve or NO DON'T approve will do

[Kikapu]

Mrs Gazioglu ------------------------- they took us to a big monastery [Cikko]
Ahmet Tolgay------------------------ dondurma fabrikasi (ice cream factory)
Sevgul Uludag & Ayse Zeytincioglu---- Cikko’nun manastırı-- kadınları, erkekleri ayırdıydılar-- separated the men
Solmaz ersoz & Hasan Hasturer---- Cikkos Manastırına--- ice cream factory-- separated the men
And many more

How accurate they are? knowing you "not being very accurate" means anything to you.
I take you approve they claim on separation the men from women.
just simple question.

Why you don't answer this one Kikapu. No need to show emotion. You answer this one so we can go on to everything else all in good time.

YES approve or NO DON'T approve will do

You are in no position to ask me question on others who were held.

You answer the questions put to you or else I'm done with you and will call you a liar at everything you post from now on.

Here is ma post to you again.


"Tom Soyer", why the hell are you arguing with me over what these people experienced. I am not doubting them for the most part. Shouldn't you be telling us about your experiences and not others. I have told you what there are errors in what these people have said, and as soon as you make a formal apology for fabricating your "prisoner in 1963" story. Don't forget "Tom Soyer", I, along with my family, we were all there, and it was not a "old monastery".

This is also a good time to ask you a very important question. You have mentioned being held with the people you have listed above as well as being kept as a prisoner with Ramadan Dayi, but you have said nothing about your family being held also. Was you father, uncle, or other male family member kept prisoner with you, and what about your mother and sisters or younger brothers. No grandparents either?. What happened "Tom Soyer"?. Were you left at home all alone and everyone else went to TC part of Nicosia when the war broke out, and you had to stay with Ramadan Dayi. In your haste to tell us your interrogation as a prisoner at the hands of the murdering EOKA, you have forgot all about your family members, and for the last 3 weeks, you have not said a word about them being held prisoners, but you want to tell me about the people you have listed above. I guess I must have shocked you, that I was one of the prisoners, which sent you spinning into confusion to tell the truth "Tom Soyer". We all know you are lying. Enough already. You are making all TC's look bad, as if they are not able to tell the truth, even after being caught "red handed", as you have been.!!

[soyer]

soyer wrote:

Mrs Gazioglu ------------------------- they took us to a big monastery [Cikko]
Ahmet Tolgay------------------------ dondurma fabrikasi (ice cream factory)
Sevgul Uludag & Ayse Zeytincioglu---- Cikko’nun manastırı-- kadınları, erkekleri ayırdıydılar-- separated the men
Solmaz ersoz & Hasan Hasturer---- Cikkos Manastırına--- ice cream factory-- separated the men
And many more

soyer wrote:

How accurate they are? knowing you "not being very accurate" means anything to you.
I take you approve they claim on separation the men from women.
just simple question.

soyer wrote:

Why you don't answer this one Kikapu. No need to show emotion. You answer this one so we can go on to everything else all in good time.

I remember you don't like people doing copy and paste job Kikabu how soon you forget.

No Kikapu now I don't believe you were prisoner at all otherwise what is it keeping you from replying very simple question
So I repeat my question.
YES men and women separated or NO men and women DID NOT separated will do nicely

[Kikapu]

soyer wrote:

Mrs Gazioglu ------------------------- they took us to a big monastery [Cikko]
Ahmet Tolgay------------------------ dondurma fabrikasi (ice cream factory)
Sevgul Uludag & Ayse Zeytincioglu---- Cikko’nun manastırı-- kadınları, erkekleri ayırdıydılar-- separated the men
Solmaz ersoz & Hasan Hasturer---- Cikkos Manastırına--- ice cream factory-- separated the men
And many more

soyer wrote:

How accurate they are? knowing you "not being very accurate" means anything to you.
I take you approve they claim on separation the men from women.
just simple question.

soyer wrote:

Why you don't answer this one Kikapu. No need to show emotion. You answer this one so we can go on to everything else all in good time.

I remember you don't like people doing copy and paste job Kikabu how soon you forget.

No Kikapu now I don't believe you were prisoner at all otherwise what is it keeping you from replying very simple question
So I repeat my question.
YES men and women separated or NO men and women DID NOT separated will do nicely

I do not need to answer to liars such as yourself Soyer. I have told you, as soon as you apologize for your lies, I will answer everything you want to know.

It was you who have claimed to been a prisoner, now answer the question and stop being a PRICK.!



"Tom Soyer", why the hell are you arguing with me over what these people experienced. I am not doubting them for the most part. Shouldn't you be telling us about your experiences and not others. I have told you what there are errors in what these people have said, and as soon as you make a formal apology for fabricating your "prisoner in 1963" story. Don't forget "Tom Soyer", I, along with my family, we were all there, and it was not a "old monastery".

This is also a good time to ask you a very important question. You have mentioned being held with the people you have listed above as well as being kept as a prisoner with Ramadan Dayi, but you have said nothing about your family being held also. Was you father, uncle, or other male family member kept prisoner with you, and what about your mother and sisters or younger brothers. No grandparents either?. What happened "Tom Soyer"?. Were you left at home all alone and everyone else went to TC part of Nicosia when the war broke out, and you had to stay with Ramadan Dayi. In your haste to tell us your interrogation as a prisoner at the hands of the murdering EOKA, you have forgot all about your family members, and for the last 3 weeks, you have not said a word about them being held prisoners, but you want to tell me about the people you have listed above. I guess I must have shocked you, that I was one of the prisoners, which sent you spinning into confusion to tell the truth "Tom Soyer". We all know you are lying. Enough already. You are making all TC's look bad, as if they are not able to tell the truth, even after being caught "red handed", as you have been.!!

[soyer]

This is not you at all dear Kikabu. Whats up you ask me to come on tonight now you don't want to answer to me.

Second option. Explain to CF members why you running away from answering the truth.

Just this Kikabu.
YES men and women separated or NO men and women DID NOT separated. That will do nicely sir.

[soyer]

This is not you at all dear Kikabu. Whats up you ask me to come on tonight now you don't want to answer to me.

Second option. Explain to CF members why you running away from answering the truth.

Just this Kikabu.
YES men and women separated or NO men and women DID NOT separated. That will do nicely sir.

Kikapu wrote:I do not need to answer to liars such as yourself Soyer. I have told you, as soon as you apologize for your lies, I will answer everything you want to know.

It was you who have claimed to been a prisoner, now answer the question and stop being a PRICK.!

Is this the name of the game Kikapu, who ever claims must answer, yes a go along with that. You claim before me for being a PRISONER OF WAR so it's your turn to answer and don't forget Ben senin gibi sikde kemik aramam being a PRICK is your life story. I only ask very simple question.
Not being to be able to answer this proves that you have been lying all along. Shame on you, I can see you became laughing stock of the CF tonight.

Tell me. Men separated from women and children, YES or NO.

Utanma cevap verirsen orda duracağım.

[repulsewarrior]

soyer, it is your story that is important, and it is becoming quite obvious that there is no personal story. I am sorry, I have tried to advocate for reason but you ignore the real issue, which is, were you there? If these people could speak for themselves you would have a defence. However they are to us only mythical figures since they can only remain without their own voice in what is a real event. (perhaps you can provide links where these statements are verified by an impartial source). I think it is time to tell us more of your experience or rest, content that myself, and other forum members can accept your company, but that your credibility is next to nil.

Even though you are a seperatist, I have joined with others to continue the merits of our dialog in a manner where our hope is to promote the understanding we need to get on with our lives, and toward a solution which will give us some closure. In your personal messages to me you support my Manifesto, and you claimed to be a proud Turkish Cypriot publicly. From your signature and your defense of Turkish atrocities it is plainly obvious that it is only a ploy. You are not a Turkish Cypriot but a TC, and in my mind, more specificly, a Cypriot Turk. I am very sorry for you. You have sold yourself for a doctrine which would plunder, lie and murder, simply because if it is not Turkish, it is to be dismissed. Worse than a white bigot from the past, and equal to the small minded who are causing the pain today in Africa, you are in all affects a person who supports Ignorance because it supports your cause. Rarely do I express this kind of sentiment. Plainly put, my respect for you borders on disgust. I hope, still that you can redeem yourself. That would include some honesty as a person, some humility as a man, or more insight into your life, since you are so brave to proclaim that you were there, and it is a justification for your position. Permanent Partition certainly suits the liars and the thieves who profit from keeping us apart, and who have a lot to hide.

It seems that You are no better than the "Greeks" you (and all of us but for different reasons) have so much hatred for.