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[repulsewarrior]

soyer, may I suggest that you recollect for us memories which are more helpful...

...things you heard and saw personally, descriptions of the captors which may help to identify them, little experiences while you interected with your fellow captives, things which have stuck with you, an endearing moment, the events which followed as he years past, and you sought from these others more news of missing and murdered. This may help us in documenting the event you described which in the future may provide the information to bring to Justice the fanatics who were, and still are, so dangerous.

If I may also suggest that you speak to the wider audience with more dignity. Kikapu may have an opinion offensive to you but it should not be taken personally because the justification for it is valid, propaganda being a tool widley used toward our discussion on the Cyprus Problem. Furthermore, there is no need to become not unlike the Ignorant would brought you so much harm.

[Kikapu]

soyer, may I suggest that you recollect for us memories which are more helpful...

...things you heard and saw personally, descriptions of the captors which may help to identify them, little experiences while you interected with your fellow captives, things which have stuck with you, an endearing moment, the events which followed as he years past, and you sought from these others more news of missing and murdered. This may help us in documenting the event you described which in the future may provide the information to bring to Justice the fanatics who were, and still are, so dangerous.

If I may also suggest that you speak to the wider audience with more dignity. Kikapu may have an opinion offensive to you but it should not be taken personally because the justification for it is valid, propaganda being a tool widley used toward our discussion on the Cyprus Problem. Furthermore, there is no need to become not unlike the Ignorant would brought you so much harm.

I have a feeling you will not be hearing from "Tom Soyer" anytime soon "Repulseworrier", because he does not have anything to say of his alleged captivity by the "Greeks" in 1963, because he now knows, that I was one of the victims and that he cannot fabricate any story that will get past me. He was safe with his initial claim because he read others stories of their captivity with some of the information not being very accurate, probably due to interpretation error, and he made it of his own based on those information, until he was called on it to give us more details, then he realised that he was caught in his own lies. What kind of a sick person would want to benefit just for propaganda purpose to steal others painful experiences from those times and try to make his own. He has done what "Expatkiwi" did, which was to change the information on "Wikipedia" about information on Cyprus, then open a thread to talk about it, which he also got caught by "Get Real". These individuals really need the help of Psychiatrist, because we really can't help them at all. The least they can do to help themselves to salvage some of their dignity, is by apologizing to the forum members and in "Tom Soyer's" case, also to the TC victims of 1963.

[soyer]

soyer, may I suggest that you recollect for us memories which are more helpful...

...things you heard and saw personally, descriptions of the captors which may help to identify them, little experiences while you interected with your fellow captives, things which have stuck with you, an endearing moment, the events which followed as he years past, and you sought from these others more news of missing and murdered. This may help us in documenting the event you described which in the future may provide the information to bring to Justice the fanatics who were, and still are, so dangerous.

If I may also suggest that you speak to the wider audience with more dignity. Kikapu may have an opinion offensive to you but it should not be taken personally because the justification for it is valid, propaganda being a tool widley used toward our discussion on the Cyprus Problem. Furthermore, there is no need to become not unlike the Ignorant would brought you so much harm.

I have a feeling you will not be hearing from "Tom Soyer" anytime soon "Repulseworrier", because he does not have anything to say of his alleged captivity by the "Greeks" in 1963, because he now knows, that I was one of the victims and that he cannot fabricate any story that will get past me. He was safe with his initial claim because he read others stories of their captivity with some of the information not being very accurate, probably due to interpretation error, and he made it of his own based on those information, until he was called on it to give us more details, then he realised that he was caught in his own lies. What kind of a sick person would want to benefit just for propaganda purpose to steal others painful experiences from those times and try to make his own. He has done what "Expatkiwi" did, which was to change the information on "Wikipedia" about information on Cyprus, then open a thread to talk about it, which he also got caught by "Get Real". These individuals really need the help of Psychiatrist, because we really can't help them at all. The least they can do to help themselves to salvage some of their dignity, is by apologizing to the forum members and in "Tom Soyer's" case, also to the TC victims of 1963.

Why you don't answer this?

Mrs Gazioglu
Ahmet Tolgay
Yusuf Kanli
Sevgul Uludag & Ayse Zeytincioglu
Solmaz ersoz & Hasan Hasturer
And many more

Are all liars also

[Kikapu]

soyer, may I suggest that you recollect for us memories which are more helpful...

...things you heard and saw personally, descriptions of the captors which may help to identify them, little experiences while you interected with your fellow captives, things which have stuck with you, an endearing moment, the events which followed as he years past, and you sought from these others more news of missing and murdered. This may help us in documenting the event you described which in the future may provide the information to bring to Justice the fanatics who were, and still are, so dangerous.

If I may also suggest that you speak to the wider audience with more dignity. Kikapu may have an opinion offensive to you but it should not be taken personally because the justification for it is valid, propaganda being a tool widley used toward our discussion on the Cyprus Problem. Furthermore, there is no need to become not unlike the Ignorant would brought you so much harm.

I have a feeling you will not be hearing from "Tom Soyer" anytime soon "Repulseworrier", because he does not have anything to say of his alleged captivity by the "Greeks" in 1963, because he now knows, that I was one of the victims and that he cannot fabricate any story that will get past me. He was safe with his initial claim because he read others stories of their captivity with some of the information not being very accurate, probably due to interpretation error, and he made it of his own based on those information, until he was called on it to give us more details, then he realised that he was caught in his own lies. What kind of a sick person would want to benefit just for propaganda purpose to steal others painful experiences from those times and try to make his own. He has done what "Expatkiwi" did, which was to change the information on "Wikipedia" about information on Cyprus, then open a thread to talk about it, which he also got caught by "Get Real". These individuals really need the help of Psychiatrist, because we really can't help them at all. The least they can do to help themselves to salvage some of their dignity, is by apologizing to the forum members and in "Tom Soyer's" case, also to the TC victims of 1963.

Why you don't answer this?

Mrs Gazioglu
Ahmet Tolgay
Yusuf Kanli
Sevgul Uludag & Ayse Zeytincioglu
Solmaz ersoz & Hasan Hasturer
And many more

Are all liars also

No "Tom Soyer", they are not liars despite part of the information they gave not being very accurate, but you are a liar, because some of the details they gave, puts us in the same place where we were held, which was at the school. Your biggest mistake was by copying their information and making it to be your own personal experience was, that they do not mention the school, but you claimed you were with these people you listed above at a "old Monastery" because they mentioned the "cikko monastery". There was no "old monastery" where the TC's were held at and I will explain all this as soon as you make a formal apology to the forum members and to all those TC's who were held as prisoners, for fabricating your story..

Just to help you make your decision to apologize, you said that ONLY men were held at the "old monastery along with 12 year old "Tom Soyer", but at the same time, you also claimed to be with these people you have mentioned above. Now "Tom Soyer", some of the people you have mentioned above are women, so how is it, that they were with you at the "old monastery", when you claimed only men were there.

Give it up man. You are embarrassing yourself every time you open your mouth.!

I'm a forgiving person. All you need to do, is ask for it.!!

[repulsewarrior]

soyer, these people, the ones you mentioned, are not here to speak for themselves. You are able to give us your personal insights on this incident, and since you opened the thread it is expected that you would be willing. This is what Kikapu needs, as do all of us. Again, your story touched me, there was enough detail described well enough to make it believable, and so here we are, two displaced people, who understand the meaning of this Injustice. If you respect the suffering that is this state because you are a victim, having had the courage to speak, I suggest that you look deep, because you cannot discount our use as pawns by people who have no sense of their own ignorance, and who will do anything for their own plunder of other peoples' lives.

You need to give Kikapu an answer, if you were both there, it should not be hard for you, ...even if the stories do not match up, there are many reasons for that. Curious, were there other children in the compound? who did you play with? There must be some moments that you can recall where you were comforted, and where people were able to laugh, even in that misery. Can you tell us?

[repulsewarrior]

...in the end soyer, "Makarios was right" but not for the reason that you claim. He was right because, knowing there is a "right" and a "wrong", he did not fear the future, he chose to stand for the Principals that give us our Humanity, he embraced the changes in himself having learned from what he saw, and he had the courage and the integrity as an Individual to say so.

[soyer]

soyer, these people, the ones you mentioned, are not here to speak for themselves. You are able to give us your personal insights on this incident, and since you opened the thread it is expected that you would be willing. This is what Kikapu needs, as do all of us. Again, your story touched me, there was enough detail described well enough to make it believable, and so here we are, two displaced people, who understand the meaning of this Injustice. If you respect the suffering that is this state because you are a victim, having had the courage to speak, I suggest that you look deep, because you cannot discount our use as pawns by people who have no sense of their own ignorance, and who will do anything for their own plunder of other peoples' lives.

You need to give Kikapu an answer, if you were both there, it should not be hard for you, ...even if the stories do not match up, there are many reasons for that. Curious, were there other children in the compound? who did you play with? There must be some moments that you can recall where you were comforted, and where people were able to laugh, even in that misery. Can you tell us?

We will come to all that in dua time, just be patient, otherwise Kikapu will use this to course confusion.

[Viewpoint]

...in the end soyer, "Makarios was right" but not for the reason that you claim. He was right because, knowing there is a "right" and a "wrong", he did not fear the future, he chose to stand for the Principals that give us our Humanity, he embraced the changes in himself having learned from what he saw, and he had the courage and the integrity as an Individual to say so.

Is that why he allowed us to suffer during 1963 to 1974?

[Kifeas]

...in the end soyer, "Makarios was right" but not for the reason that you claim. He was right because, knowing there is a "right" and a "wrong", he did not fear the future, he chose to stand for the Principals that give us our Humanity, he embraced the changes in himself having learned from what he saw, and he had the courage and the integrity as an Individual to say so.

Is that why he allowed us to suffer during 1963 to 1974?

VP, you are very mistaken to believe that by constantly "waving" in our face what you insincerely claim to have happened in Cyprus during 1963-1974, that in this way you are "excusing" and "vindicating" what has happened in 1974, and what continues to happen up to this day; more so to think that you might possibly be “victimising” us in this way to concede to your illegitimate demands towards a solution of our existing political dispute. You are wasting your time working along these lines, during all these years, because a,) we know well our history and what has happened in the past, and what role your leadership and Turkey had played and continue to do so, and b,) all the rest of the world -more so those that matter- do know well the facts and the truth, to be deceived by your insincere and fruitless rhetoric of the past!

[Viewpoint]

...in the end soyer, "Makarios was right" but not for the reason that you claim. He was right because, knowing there is a "right" and a "wrong", he did not fear the future, he chose to stand for the Principals that give us our Humanity, he embraced the changes in himself having learned from what he saw, and he had the courage and the integrity as an Individual to say so.

Is that why he allowed us to suffer during 1963 to 1974?

VP, you are very mistaken to believe that by constantly "waving" in our face what you insincerely claim to have happened in Cyprus during 1963-1974, that in this way you are "excusing" and "vindicating" what has happened in 1974, and what continues to happen up to this day; more so to think that you might possibly be “victimising” us in this way to concede to your illegitimate demands towards a solution of our existing political dispute. You are wasting your time working along these lines, during all these years, because a,) we know well our history and what has happened in the past, and what role your leadership and Turkey had played and continue to do so, and b,) all the rest of the world -more so those that matter- do know well the facts and the truth, to be deceived by your insincere and fruitless rhetoric of the past!

Does the above change anything? no whatever happened during 1963-1974 the Turkish invasion was the result and this is what you and I have to deal with. We all wish those events never took place and GCs treated TCs as equals to build a united island thats where makarios messed up big time but that chance passed and now you and I have a chance to put together an agreement that will solve the Cyprus situation once and for all. But we will not be a push over we are partners in a new agreement and demand that we be treated with involvement going forward to build a country where we can all live without being persecuted or discriminated against for having either Turkish or Greek origins.