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[Kikapu]

HAVE NO TIME FOR IGNORANT AND IGNOBLES

Go look for someone else new, who doesn't discover you yet.

I do not need discovering "Tom Soyer". Only those who lie, claiming to be a "prisoner of war" in 1963 needs discovering, and that's how you have become such a Big Star, because we have discovered what a Big Liar you are. You have no shame by using information written about those who were kept as prisoners of war, like me, my family, neighbours and others from Kücük Kaymakli. You have used the information as "HARAM" for your own ultra ego to impress other NeoPartitonist of your suffering from the past which VP loved you for it. Well, VP pretended for a whole year being a victim from 1963-1974, telling us all his sufferings, then we found out later, that he was born and raised in the UK and did not come to Cyprus until 1992. I'm sorry Halil bought into your lies also. He was so convinced that you were telling the truth, which in the end, it was the information given by Halil on the "old monastery" that exposed your lies for sure. With your lies and fictional stories, you have become the fictional character as
"Tom Soyer (Sawyer)", and anything you write from now on, can only be seen as FICTION, same as your name.

[repulsewarrior]

...small world soyer, eh? ...things go round and round.

think deep, calm yourself, amend the fault we have been subject to, speak words for your own well being.

In truth, kikapu seeks from you the dignity of self respect, and the courage to stand up and speak as a man. For that we can all be grateful, in accepting those Principals which are Universal.

We are not "Turks"or "Greeks". We are not even "Cypriots". We are members of the same Family. And as Human beings, we may find our expression in the distinctions we make for ourselves, as persons, we remain as individuals here to serve a higher purpose, beyond "us" and "them"with our Freewill, to make living better.

I wish for you the insight, and the strength, to change the view you are leaving for yourself.

[kurupetos]

...small world soyer, eh? ...things go round and round.

think deep, calm yourself, amend the fault we have been subject to, speak words for your own well being.

In truth, kikapu seeks from you the dignity of self respect, and the courage to stand up and speak as a man. For that we can all be grateful, in accepting those Principals which are Universal.

We are not "Turks"or "Greeks". We are not even "Cypriots". We are members of the same Family. And as Human beings, we may find our expression in the distinctions we make for ourselves, as persons, we remain as individuals here to serve a higher purpose, beyond "us" and "them"with our Freewill, to make living better.

I wish for you the insight, and the strength, to change the view you are leaving for yourself.

...we are not even humans. We are part of the ecosystem! That's a lot of meaningless b.s. RW. Get real!

[repulsewarrior]

...indeed, Get (r)Real.

I love trees, and rocks, and the sea. You?

my rocks, my water, my trees are impotant to me too. You?

we are Humans, we choose to be, without which there is only Ignorance.

Have you the patience to help another.

do you think our friend, soyer, needs help?

[EPSILON]

On March 12, 1977, Makarios declared, "It is in the name of << enosis >> that Cyprus has been destroyed."


LISTEN TO MAKARIOS HE IS TELLING YOU WHO TO BLAME.

MAKARIOS YES WAS RIGHT BUT BECAUSE:

Cyprus problem (at least the modern one) started on the night of May 1956 when British started to use heavily T/cs policemen against the fighters of EOKA.

-The real base of Cyprus problem was the British insistance to deny the human rights (avtodiathesis) to the majority of citizens of Cyprus (G/cs).

All we can see today as Cyprus problem are results of above two points.

Victims G/cs and T/cs , lost their lifes just because of the above two points.

EOKA B, TMT, INVASION, All are results of above two points.

[kurupetos]

...indeed, Get (r)Real.

I love trees, and rocks, and the sea. You?

my rocks, my water, my trees are impotant to me too. You?

we are Humans, we choose to be, without which there is only Ignorance.

Have you the patience to help another.

do you think our friend, soyer, needs help?

Even if u and me were perfect (I know am not ) the world would still be imperfect.
I think Soyer and anyone else should help himself. It's not up to u and/or me to change him or anyone else. From my experience nobody changes unless he/she really wants to. Now, you made me write more than two lines of post which is against my motto (see below )

[kurupetos]

On March 12, 1977, Makarios declared, "It is in the name of << enosis >> that Cyprus has been destroyed."


LISTEN TO MAKARIOS HE IS TELLING YOU WHO TO BLAME.

MAKARIOS YES WAS RIGHT BUT BECAUSE:

Cyprus problem (at least the modern one) started on the night of May 1956 when British started to use heavily T/cs policemen against the fighters of EOKA.

-The real base of Cyprus problem was the British insistance to deny the human rights (avtodiathesis) to the majority of citizens of Cyprus (G/cs).

All we can see today as Cyprus problem are results of above two points.

Victims G/cs and T/cs , lost their lifes just because of the above two points.

EOKA B, TMT, INVASION, All are results of above two points.

I think u and some GCs/TCs got some things wrong here. Makarios says enosis was wrong to be pursued at that particular time period (that is 1974/post independence). I agree with his view because enosis was out of question after the independence agreement of 1960. On the other hand, Makarios does not regret the enosis struggle of 1955-59 which took place during british occupation which is again correct IMO.
Therefore we should not mix the two events.

[repulsewarrior]

...exactly, 'bastard' EOKA, like sampson, certainly we all hate them. But the Principal, for which many were prepared to accept had in it Justice. Farmers and fisherman mostly, who expessed a desire for Freewill, and an end to the abuse they suffered, as colonial servants. That Enosis, in reality is an ideal which grows with the EU. Takism, by the same extension, is a throw back to the Treaty of Lausanne, where Turkey can reclaim at least a part of their lease.

[EPSILON]

On March 12, 1977, Makarios declared, "It is in the name of << enosis >> that Cyprus has been destroyed."


LISTEN TO MAKARIOS HE IS TELLING YOU WHO TO BLAME.

MAKARIOS YES WAS RIGHT BUT BECAUSE:

Cyprus problem (at least the modern one) started on the night of May 1956 when British started to use heavily T/cs policemen against the fighters of EOKA.

-The real base of Cyprus problem was the British insistance to deny the human rights (avtodiathesis) to the majority of citizens of Cyprus (G/cs).

All we can see today as Cyprus problem are results of above two points.

Victims G/cs and T/cs , lost their lifes just because of the above two points.

EOKA B, TMT, INVASION, All are results of above two points.

I think u and some GCs/TCs got some things wrong here. Makarios says enosis was wrong to be pursued at that particular time period (that is 1974/post independence). I agree with his view because enosis was out of question after the independence agreement of 1960. On the other hand, Makarios does not regret the enosis struggle of 1955-59 which took place during british occupation which is again correct IMO.
Therefore we should not mix the two events.

I fully agree with you. Makarios was consideriong that the time was wrong not the target. (nekrothaftes ths enoseos-he said) . However the base of Cyprus problem is what i quoted above. This was the start point -all others were results

[Oracle]

I agree ...

The TCs failed at the first hurdle of a test of whether they were Cypriots or puppets to outside forces, back in the 50's.


At this juncture ... they could have severed the ties of the Ottomans forever, and been accepted as Cypriots.

By doing the will of the British instead of the will of their fellow Cypriots ... they chose treason and betrayal ... then and now, with Turkey.

At least twice the TCs chose outsiders ... above their fellow Cypriots.