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[halil]

Kikapu ,
You are blaming them that they are doing propaganda .... what is your ones .Propagandanın Danişkası too . you are telling your ways and they are telling their ways . as long as you are not insulting each other ,there is no problem .

No Halil, I'm not blaming anyone of doing propaganda. I'm exposing those that are doing propaganda, otherwise I don't say anything.

at other treat Deniz was asking you are you lawer ? it is a right question for you ....

I've already answered Deniz............sorry it took a while. I was making lunch for mayself.

Her şeye maydanoz ............. Onlar masum , bizler Cani

Not true Halil. Both sides has a bit of both.

you complain that they are trying to silence you at other hand you are doing same thing against them as far as i can see .

On the contrary, I'm asking for more information from them, and not trying to silence anyone. It is they who refuses to give more information. Please blame them for not wanting to speak more.

Did we have true democracy before 74 Kikabucuğum . Be honest gardaşcığım . True democracy at Çadırlarda .....Mandrez ovalarında .....

This is the easiest question to answer ever. We never had a True democracy in Cyprus Halil, and definitely not with the 1960 Constitution and the so called "Independence". Some people on the forum still DON'T want to have a True Democracy. They have learned nothing of the past 48 years. I'm hoping we will have a True Democracy now, if both sides are serious about having a Fair and Just long lasting Peace.

you should remember it as a guy from Kaymakli .

I'll never forget my roots Halil, and thanks for reminding me where I'm from. I'm very proud to be from Kücük Kaymakli.

soon i will tell you little girl story ...... than we can compare your your memories of the story and what the people says about it in these days ....
as you know we always hear many versions of the stories

....

Sure why not. If you get it correct, I'll say so.

Kikapu ,
the way you thinking for true democracy does not work in Cyprus .

now there is a argument in Belguim about there federal state . we will see what will happen soon . There in EU as u know .

For Cyprus Our side i mean TC's does not except minority rights . with your democracy thinking TC's does not excepts it . This is the hard part of the talks too .
Equal partner at power sharing ....

with your idea you defending CYPRİOTS thesis (Tez) . it looks to make work this idea we are having a problem .even old constitution was saying TC's and GC's . how could people will go back from old one . All the problems started at 60's by trying to change this constitution . Changing the constitution was changing the agreements and balance between two sides . it was the idea of your thinking .... for true democracy it should like ....... so on .

Kikabu my wife family also comes from Kaymakli and Hamidmanderz .

She is from Sakalli sülalesinden .

for a moment i am busy at my work but at end of the this month i will be off for a while from work . i will go to village and i will get the information don't worry .

[Kikapu]

What gives you the right to pigeon hole people? you are so arrogant as to claim you know best and label people in any shape or form, well no one on this forum gave this right all can do is put your arguments across without defaming others try and you will see you whole ideology will collapse. You attack the person and not the issue at hand, no need to deny it everyone has realized you are nothing but a character assassin with no real ability to put forward arguments from a TC viewpoint.

I gave you your choices in putting the TC point of view few days ago, but you were not interested, because it involves True democracy, Human Rights, and non Racism. You believe, that unless all these values are violated, the TC's will not be able to survive, so you want to make it Non Democratic, violating others Human Rights, and have Racist Laws......sorry, that's not my kind of a "cup of tea".!!

The best thing that can happen to the TC community, is to live in a True Democratic way with the GC's on the island of Cyprus, which will be beneficial to all, specially since Cyprus is in the EU.

man you are so up your own arse its unbelievable, you answer a question with a question and expect an answer, you are unable to put forward a TC viewpoint because you back the GCs 100%, its impossible for you to even put a few point accross that will in anyway challenge your GC mentality, you have been exposed as being the most biased and one sided poster on the forum.

You should do as you preach VP. When have you ever looked at an issue through GC point of view. Never so why should kikapu do the same.

I have many times you just have taken the timeto read or understand what I have put forward. I can repeat one for you;

I support GCs getting back their property rights so they can choose either repatriation where possible or financial compensation at current prices where not.

Can you please give more a positive for TCs, Kikapu cant and never will as he cannot bring himself to put anthing positive forward for TCs.

VP, you are such a Bullshit Artist and a True Propagandist, and your above statements make it very clear on the property issue. That is really big of you to allow legal owners to claim their properties back, if possible of course.!!!

Since when did you wake up to this idea, considering you have held the view that only compensation is in order and nothing else for the GC's, or else, the last 45 years would have been in vain, because you don't want any GC's in the north,
just so that your children should not be exposed to Greek being spoken around them....

You are one of the most Racist Bigots there is, a so called TC, on the forum towards GC's. You only see them as foreigners in their own country of Cyprus, and that is specially funny coming from you, someone who was born in the UK and where you have lived your first 30 years, who is not even eligible to get a Birth Certificate from Cyprus.

I have asked you to give us the TC point of view many times without violating other Cypriots Democratic and Human Rights and each time you refuse, and yet you expect me to answer it.

If you want me to violate other Cypriots Democratic and Human Rights, then take the Annan Plan 2004 as my answer to your question.

Nice try all the same VP. Answer your own question first before asking others to do it.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu you keep investigating about me i am sure you'll come up with many things.

But never forget i hate interrogattion by Greek i had that before.

if you like to have my answers ask straightforward and be ready to reply my questions.

WHERE WERE YOU IN 1963 AND WHERE YOU FROM
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Thanks Halil,
Sorry my fault not making clear, above was address to Kikapu, I don't understand what his trying to prove. I don't even know if he is Greek or Turkish but i notice he is using a Turkish keyboard very hard to belive existence of Turkish like Kikapu.

Soyer,

I am not investigating you Soyer, I'm just asking you questions based on your post. If you are not willing to accept question to what you post, then say so, so that we will not waste our precious time to get information that was not clear, giving the fact that your English is not perfectly clear at times, and stop playing silly buggers by trying to be cleaver by going round and round by asking silly questions instead. If you think asking questions to you amounts to "interrogation", then you must be a really "softy" and that we should treat you with "kid gloves", or better still, ignore you completely, so that we do not inflict permanent brain damage on you by making you think and answer some questions.

Now Soyer, let me give you some free advice as to how the forum works and what it means to have a "conversation". You say something first, then those either who did not understand what you said or have further questions then asks for clarification, and then you give it. Then once you have done that, then it is your turn to ask questions of those who has with you and back and forth. Get the picture now.

Now, this is what you are not suppose to do and that is, you refuse to answer simple questions for 2-3 days after being asked repeatedly to do so, then you come right back and want to ask questions to those you have refused to answer to, as you have done with me. So, if you want to play this right, then go back to my original questions, answer them, then I will be very glad to answer your questions.

Soyer,

I'm surprised you have not continued with our discussion Soyer. What's the matter.?? Is it because once you have found out I'm from Kücük Kaymakli and was taken as a prisoner by the "Greeks" back in December 1963, but we were driven to a school building and not to a "Old Monastery" as you have claimed to have happened to you from Kücük Kaymakli. You have decided to stop answering my questions. You seemed so eager to ask me some questions, so what happened.?? Not interested anymore, Soyer.??

I wonder why.!!

[Viewpoint]

What gives you the right to pigeon hole people? you are so arrogant as to claim you know best and label people in any shape or form, well no one on this forum gave this right all can do is put your arguments across without defaming others try and you will see you whole ideology will collapse. You attack the person and not the issue at hand, no need to deny it everyone has realized you are nothing but a character assassin with no real ability to put forward arguments from a TC viewpoint.

I gave you your choices in putting the TC point of view few days ago, but you were not interested, because it involves True democracy, Human Rights, and non Racism. You believe, that unless all these values are violated, the TC's will not be able to survive, so you want to make it Non Democratic, violating others Human Rights, and have Racist Laws......sorry, that's not my kind of a "cup of tea".!!

The best thing that can happen to the TC community, is to live in a True Democratic way with the GC's on the island of Cyprus, which will be beneficial to all, specially since Cyprus is in the EU.

man you are so up your own arse its unbelievable, you answer a question with a question and expect an answer, you are unable to put forward a TC viewpoint because you back the GCs 100%, its impossible for you to even put a few point accross that will in anyway challenge your GC mentality, you have been exposed as being the most biased and one sided poster on the forum.

You should do as you preach VP. When have you ever looked at an issue through GC point of view. Never so why should kikapu do the same.

I have many times you just have taken the timeto read or understand what I have put forward. I can repeat one for you;

I support GCs getting back their property rights so they can choose either repatriation where possible or financial compensation at current prices where not.

Can you please give more a positive for TCs, Kikapu cant and never will as he cannot bring himself to put anthing positive forward for TCs.

VP, you are such a Bullshit Artist and a True Propagandist, and your above statements make it very clear on the property issue. That is really big of you to allow legal owners to claim their properties back, if possible of course.!!!

Since when did you wake up to this idea, considering you have held the view that only compensation is in order and nothing else for the GC's, or else, the last 45 years would have been in vain, because you don't want any GC's in the north,
just so that your children should not be exposed to Greek being spoken around them....

You are one of the most Racist Bigots there is, a so called TC, on the forum towards GC's. You only see them as foreigners in their own country of Cyprus, and that is specially funny coming from you, someone who was born in the UK and where you have lived your first 30 years, who is not even eligible to get a Birth Certificate from Cyprus.

I have asked you to give us the TC point of view many times without violating other Cypriots Democratic and Human Rights and each time you refuse, and yet you expect me to answer it.

If you want me to violate other Cypriots Democratic and Human Rights, then take the Annan Plan 2004 as my answer to your question.

Nice try all the same VP. Answer your own question first before asking others to do it.

Bullshiting yet again you have yet to answer the original question which I put to you first so just throwing it back is not good enough and proves what a con artist you really are. You cannot argue from a TC viewpoint its impossible for you becuase obviously you do not agree with anything a TC wants or needs to address their concerns and fears. ou have proved time and time again you are an imposter and even if you were born a TC which I doubt very much you no longer have the right to say you are one because you show no compassion or understanding of TCs.

[soyer]

You may have been taken to school, i'am not gone argue because i was not with you. Some people stay at Kaimakli in a ice cream factory from those people some went on. They separate the man to monastery i believe you were with woman. I was with Ramadan Dayi who had a Cafe opposite church, tall man with gray hair his wife was very short lady with curly hair she was also taken different place i remember because i knew them before. For all i remember when we release some woman was there.

About that little girl, i lost a sleep over it i don't remember yet something comes to me, Did she live near the mosque and mother name was Ayten.

[Kikapu]

What gives you the right to pigeon hole people? you are so arrogant as to claim you know best and label people in any shape or form, well no one on this forum gave this right all can do is put your arguments across without defaming others try and you will see you whole ideology will collapse. You attack the person and not the issue at hand, no need to deny it everyone has realized you are nothing but a character assassin with no real ability to put forward arguments from a TC viewpoint.

I gave you your choices in putting the TC point of view few days ago, but you were not interested, because it involves True democracy, Human Rights, and non Racism. You believe, that unless all these values are violated, the TC's will not be able to survive, so you want to make it Non Democratic, violating others Human Rights, and have Racist Laws......sorry, that's not my kind of a "cup of tea".!!

The best thing that can happen to the TC community, is to live in a True Democratic way with the GC's on the island of Cyprus, which will be beneficial to all, specially since Cyprus is in the EU.

man you are so up your own arse its unbelievable, you answer a question with a question and expect an answer, you are unable to put forward a TC viewpoint because you back the GCs 100%, its impossible for you to even put a few point accross that will in anyway challenge your GC mentality, you have been exposed as being the most biased and one sided poster on the forum.

You should do as you preach VP. When have you ever looked at an issue through GC point of view. Never so why should kikapu do the same.

I have many times you just have taken the timeto read or understand what I have put forward. I can repeat one for you;

I support GCs getting back their property rights so they can choose either repatriation where possible or financial compensation at current prices where not.

Can you please give more a positive for TCs, Kikapu cant and never will as he cannot bring himself to put anthing positive forward for TCs.

VP, you are such a Bullshit Artist and a True Propagandist, and your above statements make it very clear on the property issue. That is really big of you to allow legal owners to claim their properties back, if possible of course.!!!

Since when did you wake up to this idea, considering you have held the view that only compensation is in order and nothing else for the GC's, or else, the last 45 years would have been in vain, because you don't want any GC's in the north,
just so that your children should not be exposed to Greek being spoken around them....

You are one of the most Racist Bigots there is, a so called TC, on the forum towards GC's. You only see them as foreigners in their own country of Cyprus, and that is specially funny coming from you, someone who was born in the UK and where you have lived your first 30 years, who is not even eligible to get a Birth Certificate from Cyprus.

I have asked you to give us the TC point of view many times without violating other Cypriots Democratic and Human Rights and each time you refuse, and yet you expect me to answer it.

If you want me to violate other Cypriots Democratic and Human Rights, then take the Annan Plan 2004 as my answer to your question.

Nice try all the same VP. Answer your own question first before asking others to do it.

Bullshiting yet again you have yet to answer the original question which I put to you first so just throwing it back is not good enough and proves what a con artist you really are. You cannot argue from a TC viewpoint its impossible for you becuase obviously you do not agree with anything a TC wants or needs to address their concerns and fears. ou have proved time and time again you are an imposter and even if you were born a TC which I doubt very much you no longer have the right to say you are one because you show no compassion or understanding of TCs.

VP,

I have asked you to give us the TC point of view many times without violating other Cypriots Democratic and Human Rights and each time you refuse, and yet you expect me to answer it.


I have asked you to give us the TC point of view many times without violating other Cypriots Democratic and Human Rights and each time you refuse, and yet you expect me to answer it.

I have asked you to give us the TC point of view many times without violating other Cypriots Democratic and Human Rights and each time you refuse, and yet you expect me to answer it.

I have asked you to give us the TC point of view many times without violating other Cypriots Democratic and Human Rights and each time you refuse, and yet you expect me to answer it.


I have asked you to give us the TC point of view many times without violating other Cypriots Democratic and Human Rights and each time you refuse, and yet you expect me to answer it.

[Kikapu]

You may have been taken to school, i'am not gone argue because i was not with you. Some people stay at Kaimakli in a ice cream factory from those people some went on. They separate the man to monastery i believe you were with woman. I was with Ramadan Dayi who had a Cafe opposite church, tall man with gray hair his wife was very short lady with curly hair she was also taken different place i remember because i knew them before. For all i remember when we release some woman was there.

About that little girl, i lost a sleep over it i don't remember yet something comes to me, Did she live near the mosque and mother name was Ayten.

No Soyer, men were also with us at the school.!

I do not have the little girl's name or her mother's....sorry.!!

[halil]

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[halil]

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[Kikapu]

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English please, Halil.!!