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[Viewpoint]

"what is good for the goose is good for the gander"

Exactly. So why don't you give to the Greek minority in Turkey what you demand for your minority in Cyprus?

We never asked for TCs to be "second class citizens". On the contrary we want TCs to be equal Cypriot citizens, as it happens with all other minorities in all other countries. It is you who wants to violate the rights of the majority of Cypriots so you can have gains on our loss.

Here is what political equality means (from the first result in Google when you search for political equality)

By political equality we refer to the extent to which citizens have an equal voice over governmental decisions. One of the bedrock principles in a democracy is the equal consideration of the preferences and interests of all citizens. This is expressed in such principles as one-person/one-vote, equality before the law, and equal rights of free speech.

We have absolutely no problem with equality as it exists in all other democratic countries and as it is described above. Equality means equal citizens[b], [b]regardless of their race or ethnic background. What you demand is exactly the opposide. You insist on racist segregation and separation of Cypriots based on their ethnic background so you can have gains on the loss of Greek Cypriots. That is called inequality.

Unfortunately Turks have a custom of reversing the meaning of words. Just like they reverse the meaning of the word "unity" to mean division. Have you ever heard of any country with two separate sovereignties?

The Turkish demands are so clearly directed in archiving partition it is amazing how they can still label it as "unity". They became absolutely ridiculous.

So how would Switzerland and Belgium rate in your analysis of what should applied in Cyprus.

[soyer]

"Hope, Hope, Hope, Dream, Dream, Dream."

If you think the 'trnc' will be recognised as well, then you can do the same!

A permanent partition in Cyprus will NEVER work, even if agreed. The country is too small to be divided.

Ridiculous....... do you know size and population of San Marino? Oldest constitutional republic in the world less than 30 thousand in population. How about Republic of Nauru less then 10 thousand in population.

A permanent partition in Cyprus will definitely work. Even not, no concern of G/Cs.

[halil]

Arguments are goes on at Northern Cyprus .

PRESIDENT TALAT SAYS SOVEREIGNTY OF THE TRNC WAS NOT HANDED OVER TO ANYONE .

President Mehmet Ali Talat has said neither the sovereignty of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus nor its citizenship has been handed over to anyone.

The President was responding to criticisms from the opposition who said they were against a solution to the Cyprus Problem on the basis of single sovereignty and citizenship.

Answering reporters’ questions on Thursday, the President said that the issues of single sovereignty and citizenship were not open to debate if the desired goal was to reach a federal solution to the Cyprus Problem and to reunify the island.

“There is no example of a state in the world that has two sovereignties and two citizenships” he said in reply to a question, adding that the way these concepts are to be implemented will be decided at full-fledged negotiations.

Pointing out the discussions held between the two sides were for a joint partnership state, President Talat “we are talking about a joint partnership state to be established with the Greek Cypriots. Sovereignty is to be shared in the new partnership state. There is political equality. So there is no need for concern” he said.

He said the opposition was making such criticisms just for the sake of being opposed to the issues discussed and that when looked at carefully, it could be seen that their criticisms were baseless.

Asked about Christofias’ statement before the 1st of July meeting claiming that President Talat was struggling against pressure from Turkey, the President said that Mr Christofias was lying.

He described the statement as an ugly attack aimed at undermining his position and damaging his relations with Turkey.

[halil]

SINGLE SOVEREIGNTY AND CITIZENSHIP WERE DISCUSSED DURING THE MEETING AT THE PRESIDENTIAL PALACE.
President Mehmet Ali Talat has met with leaders and representatives of political parties to evaluate the outcome of Tuesday’s meeting between the two leaders in Cyprus.
During the meeting, single sovereignty and citizenship – the two issues on which the two leaders agreed in principle – were discussed. Speaking to reporters at the end of the meeting, the leader of the Republican Turkish Party-United Forces – Prime Minister Ferdi Sabit Soyer complained that the Greek Cypriot Side is playing for time to hinder Turkey’s EU membership process but said that this is a wrong estimate.

The Premier said it is saddening to see that the Greek Cypriot Leader Demetris Christofias has fallen captive to DIKO, EDEK and the Church and called on Mr Christofias to support the agreement reached on the 23rd of May and to be courageous.

Complaining that the Greek Cypriot Church is trying to corner the Turkish Cypriot People and Turkey in the atmosphere of non-solution, he stressed the need for those in support of a solution not to become an instrument of those against solution.

`Our target is to start full-fledged negotiations in September. Everyone should support this` he said.

The Premier also called on Britain - who signed a memorandum with the Greek Cypriot Administration - to support the process not to be responsible for the failure of the talks.

For his part, the Freedom and Reform Party Leader – deputy-Prime Minister Foreign Minister Turgay Avci stated that his party is in support of the policies formulated together with Turkey.

`We have been in support of an agreement based on a bi-zonal order, political equality and equality of two constituent states with the continuation of Turkey’s position as a guarantor power`, he said.

For his part, the leader of the main opposition National Unity Party Tahsin Ertugruloglu claimed that the agreement reached in principle on single sovereignty and citizenship is dangerous and wrong.

The Democrat Party Leader Serdar Denktash also reacted to the outcome of the Talat-Christofias meeting and claimed that the path being followed will lead to osmosis, the assimilation of Turkish Cypriots into the Greek Cypriot Administration.

For his part, the Leader of the Communal Democracy Party Mehmet Cakici welcomed the agreement reached in principle and said that the full-fledged negotiations must lead to a comprehensive agreement.

[Piratis]

"what is good for the goose is good for the gander"

Exactly. So why don't you give to the Greek minority in Turkey what you demand for your minority in Cyprus?

We never asked for TCs to be "second class citizens". On the contrary we want TCs to be equal Cypriot citizens, as it happens with all other minorities in all other countries. It is you who wants to violate the rights of the majority of Cypriots so you can have gains on our loss.

Here is what political equality means (from the first result in Google when you search for political equality)

By political equality we refer to the extent to which citizens have an equal voice over governmental decisions. One of the bedrock principles in a democracy is the equal consideration of the preferences and interests of all citizens. This is expressed in such principles as one-person/one-vote, equality before the law, and equal rights of free speech.

We have absolutely no problem with equality as it exists in all other democratic countries and as it is described above. Equality means equal citizens[b], [b]regardless of their race or ethnic background. What you demand is exactly the opposide. You insist on racist segregation and separation of Cypriots based on their ethnic background so you can have gains on the loss of Greek Cypriots. That is called inequality.

Unfortunately Turks have a custom of reversing the meaning of words. Just like they reverse the meaning of the word "unity" to mean division. Have you ever heard of any country with two separate sovereignties?

The Turkish demands are so clearly directed in archiving partition it is amazing how they can still label it as "unity". They became absolutely ridiculous.

So how would Switzerland and Belgium rate in your analysis of what should applied in Cyprus.

In the same way the would rate for being applied to Turkey. As soyer said, "what is good for the goose is good for the gander".

The case of Belgium and Switzerland is irrelevant since we are talking about separate regions with separate populations that were united into a federation, not about a sovereign country that was invaded by an outside force and was partitioned forcefully by means of ethnic cleansing.

But if you are willing to give to the Greek minority in Turkey what you are asking for your minority in Cyprus, then I would agree.

[Viewpoint]

"what is good for the goose is good for the gander"

Exactly. So why don't you give to the Greek minority in Turkey what you demand for your minority in Cyprus?

We never asked for TCs to be "second class citizens". On the contrary we want TCs to be equal Cypriot citizens, as it happens with all other minorities in all other countries. It is you who wants to violate the rights of the majority of Cypriots so you can have gains on our loss.

Here is what political equality means (from the first result in Google when you search for political equality)

By political equality we refer to the extent to which citizens have an equal voice over governmental decisions. One of the bedrock principles in a democracy is the equal consideration of the preferences and interests of all citizens. This is expressed in such principles as one-person/one-vote, equality before the law, and equal rights of free speech.

We have absolutely no problem with equality as it exists in all other democratic countries and as it is described above. Equality means equal citizens[b], [b]regardless of their race or ethnic background. What you demand is exactly the opposide. You insist on racist segregation and separation of Cypriots based on their ethnic background so you can have gains on the loss of Greek Cypriots. That is called inequality.

Unfortunately Turks have a custom of reversing the meaning of words. Just like they reverse the meaning of the word "unity" to mean division. Have you ever heard of any country with two separate sovereignties?

The Turkish demands are so clearly directed in archiving partition it is amazing how they can still label it as "unity". They became absolutely ridiculous.

So how would Switzerland and Belgium rate in your analysis of what should applied in Cyprus.

In the same way the would rate for being applied to Turkey. As soyer said, "what is good for the goose is good for the gander".

The case of Belgium and Switzerland is irrelevant since we are talking about separate regions with separate populations that were united into a federation, not about a sovereign country that was invaded by an outside force and was partitioned forcefully by means of ethnic cleansing.

But if you are willing to give to the Greek minority in Turkey what you are asking for your minority in Cyprus, then I would agree.

Do they have our exact same history and international agreements?

[Piratis]

"Hope, Hope, Hope, Dream, Dream, Dream."

If you think the 'trnc' will be recognised as well, then you can do the same!

A permanent partition in Cyprus will NEVER work, even if agreed. The country is too small to be divided.

Ridiculous....... do you know size and population of San Marino? Oldest constitutional republic in the world less than 30 thousand in population. How about Republic of Nauru less then 10 thousand in population.

A permanent partition in Cyprus will definitely work. Even not, no concern of G/Cs.

Sure, if the thief is let to get away with stealing it would work very nicely for the thief. But thats not the way it works. For as long as you illegally keep our lands you will have consequences. If you are happy to live with the consequences then you can continue illegally enforcing partition for as long as you are able. If you don't want the consequences then there is only one way to stop them: Stop the crimes. Give us back our land and rights, it even rhymes.

[Viewpoint]

"Hope, Hope, Hope, Dream, Dream, Dream."

If you think the 'trnc' will be recognised as well, then you can do the same!

A permanent partition in Cyprus will NEVER work, even if agreed. The country is too small to be divided.

Ridiculous....... do you know size and population of San Marino? Oldest constitutional republic in the world less than 30 thousand in population. How about Republic of Nauru less then 10 thousand in population.

A permanent partition in Cyprus will definitely work. Even not, no concern of G/Cs.

Sure, if the thief is let to get away with stealing it would work very nicely for the thief. But thats not the way it works. For as long as you illegally keep our lands you will have consequences. If you are happy to live with the consequences then you can continue illegally enforcing partition for as long as you are able. If you don't want the consequences then there is only one way to stop them: Stop the crimes. Give us back our land and rights, it even rhymes.

When you give us back what you stole in 1963.

[Piratis]

"what is good for the goose is good for the gander"

Exactly. So why don't you give to the Greek minority in Turkey what you demand for your minority in Cyprus?

We never asked for TCs to be "second class citizens". On the contrary we want TCs to be equal Cypriot citizens, as it happens with all other minorities in all other countries. It is you who wants to violate the rights of the majority of Cypriots so you can have gains on our loss.

Here is what political equality means (from the first result in Google when you search for political equality)

By political equality we refer to the extent to which citizens have an equal voice over governmental decisions. One of the bedrock principles in a democracy is the equal consideration of the preferences and interests of all citizens. This is expressed in such principles as one-person/one-vote, equality before the law, and equal rights of free speech.

We have absolutely no problem with equality as it exists in all other democratic countries and as it is described above. Equality means equal citizens[b], [b]regardless of their race or ethnic background. What you demand is exactly the opposide. You insist on racist segregation and separation of Cypriots based on their ethnic background so you can have gains on the loss of Greek Cypriots. That is called inequality.

Unfortunately Turks have a custom of reversing the meaning of words. Just like they reverse the meaning of the word "unity" to mean division. Have you ever heard of any country with two separate sovereignties?

The Turkish demands are so clearly directed in archiving partition it is amazing how they can still label it as "unity". They became absolutely ridiculous.

So how would Switzerland and Belgium rate in your analysis of what should applied in Cyprus.

In the same way the would rate for being applied to Turkey. As soyer said, "what is good for the goose is good for the gander".

The case of Belgium and Switzerland is irrelevant since we are talking about separate regions with separate populations that were united into a federation, not about a sovereign country that was invaded by an outside force and was partitioned forcefully by means of ethnic cleansing.

But if you are willing to give to the Greek minority in Turkey what you are asking for your minority in Cyprus, then I would agree.

Do they have our exact same history and international agreements?

If you want to add history in the "mix" then Greeks in Turkey should get much more power and land than Turks in Cyprus, since the Greeks are the ones who created many of the cities there and who ruled the place for 1000s of years.

[Piratis]

"Hope, Hope, Hope, Dream, Dream, Dream."

If you think the 'trnc' will be recognised as well, then you can do the same!

A permanent partition in Cyprus will NEVER work, even if agreed. The country is too small to be divided.

Ridiculous....... do you know size and population of San Marino? Oldest constitutional republic in the world less than 30 thousand in population. How about Republic of Nauru less then 10 thousand in population.

A permanent partition in Cyprus will definitely work. Even not, no concern of G/Cs.

Sure, if the thief is let to get away with stealing it would work very nicely for the thief. But thats not the way it works. For as long as you illegally keep our lands you will have consequences. If you are happy to live with the consequences then you can continue illegally enforcing partition for as long as you are able. If you don't want the consequences then there is only one way to stop them: Stop the crimes. Give us back our land and rights, it even rhymes.

When you give us back what you stole in 1963.

We stole nothing in 1963. You withdrew from RoC government to pursue your aim of partition. When you abandon your aim of partition you can come and take back what you abandoned. As simple as that.