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[Paphitis]

But if I was to move to Cyprus, then yes, I would have some integrating to do.

[Feisty]

Well my question still has validity.
How much do you integrate with Aboriginees?

[Paphitis]

Well my question still has validity.
How much do you integrate with Aboriginees?

About as much as the British, minus the extermination!

[miltiades]

Most certainly I will not accept any solution , my stance against the AP has been highlighted many times over the last couple of years on this forum , and it is in variance with the views of Bananiot .

Good to see that you have for once expressed your own opinion and free will, which is at variance to your masters.

Those that are rejecting the continuation of negotiations and are implying that ONLY WAR can achieve the rightful solution are in my opinion extremists , nonconstructive and highly damaging to the efforts by our government to arrive at a solution.

No one has ever implied that war is our only option. There was a more serious issue to those threads that has unfortunately gone way over your head. Those threads were more designed to imply that Cyprus, as a sovereign country, has the legal right to defend it's territory (from Pafos to Apostolos Andreas) and initiate it's own actions to liberate whenever the time is right and when all other avenues are exhausted. The deeper issue is off course Cyprus legal right to defend it's territory which is currently under occupation. And to highlight these rights is neither extremist in nature. The military is an important institution to any sovereign state and can never be belittled or ridiculed.

These threads are also not damaging to any peace efforts, because anything we say here has absolutely no bearing on international politics. Hate to burst your bubble.

Our hand is today the strongest it has ever been and allowing our impatience to determine the course to follow which would lead to an abyss is anathema to our cause.

This is only a matter of perception and your point here is very debatable and can be challenged if I wished to.

I wish I could say that you are correct. I am however a bit more sceptical and do not believe that the EU is a big enough draw card to Turkey. And in any case, the Kemalist military regime will and can counter any serious concessions made in Cyprus. You must remember that Turkey is not really a democracy.

Don't you carry on believing that ONLY PAPHITIS cares about Cyprus and only you has a right to air an opinion , dismissing those that oppose yours as traitors.

I certainly do not believe what you assert here. Everyone most certainly has the right to express their opinion. It would be a very boring world if we were all the same and agreed on everything. I will however challenge various views and I also expect that my views would also be challenged from time to time. This can only encourage debate.

It is you that I feel dismisses other opinions which are different to your own causing you to occasionally burst into emotional tirades of abuse. Add to this your willingness to deliberately misinterpret other persons postings in an effort to slander their true message and win the argument.

As I said before, you have many times derailed other persons messages which you either do not understand the true meaning of or you deliberately misinterpret them.

I was born in Cyprus and lived in Cyprus until the age of 15 , was active in the ANE and proud of mu minuscule contribution , now I'm 62 and a grandfather with a son in law in the CNG , how dare you call me a traitor and refuse to apologise ?

You are probably right in one aspect. No one has the right to call anyone a traitor. But I and others have suffered many insults from yourself in the past. It does not bother me at all as I have a very thick skin and am not easily offended.

But, I would like to know how your son in law reconciles your views? Your son in law is someone who has been trained for the possible eventuality of what was discussed in those threads. To dismiss these possibilities from ever occurring is in fact irresponsible and diminishes the sovereign states credibility and seriousness. The military provides the best negotiating power and this is proven by the uneven tilt towards Turkey in the current peace talks as negotiations will always favour the victor and the strongest.

You rejected my gesture of good will instead you come back after a break and straight away you begin to insult a man old enough to be your father.
Well mate I don't take shit from you as you no doubt have gathered by now.

And I still maintain this position. You have only served to spoil and misinterpret other persons messages, either deliberately or otherwise.

Let me start by dispelling your assumption that I have masters and that I obey to their rule. At the age of 62 , I can assure you I have always been my own master and have derived my views based on my own logical conclusions and on realities relevant at the time of formulating views on a matter. Let me also add that apart from a short spell following my qualification as an accountant , I have always , also, been my own boss having owned my own business since the age of 25 years old.
My son in law agrees that a war against Turkey WILL NOT SOLVE THE CYPRUS PROBLEM, on the contrary agrees that it will be a major catastrophe for Cyprus of unprecedented dimensions.
Let me also make it abundantly clear so that you do not contribute your OWN interpretation as you have a habit of doing on this forum , that I'm not a pacifist and neither am I suggesting that our armed forces are either unable , unwilling or incompetent ,ON THE CONTRARY they are ready to defend our island against any aggression by Turkey , what they are not ready to do however is to embark on a war against a powerful occupier in order to liberate occupied land , eject thousands of settlers and simultaneously deal with the T/Cs when negotiations are progressing and when our options are multiple .
Let me correct you , without having to paste once again GRs post stating clearly that ALL OPTIONS ARE NOW HISTORY AND THE ONLY WAY TO LIBERATE THE OCCUPIED PARTS IS BY WAGING A WAR STRIKING DEEP INTO SOUTHERN TURKEY AND IF NEED BE WE SHALL USE MERCENARIES.
Such absolute rubbish , you Mr Paphitis defended and led you to decide that since I ridiculed such nonsense I was therefore a traitor !!!
You have insinuated , quite deliberately , on a number of occasions that my ability to comprehend an issue is limited and when I respond in kind you immediately revert to interpreting according to your OWN understanding and not according to what was written.
I do not misinterpret or misunderstand anyone's posts , I just do not tolerate stupidity and call a spade a spade .

At this juncture of our history , as I stated earlier , Cyprus finds itself in the position of being capable of exerting considerable influence , for the first time in its history , on developments within the EU , THE MOST SUCCESFUL EVER UNION OF NATIONS , in a position to put an end to Turkeys ambitions of becoming a full member . Further on we must bear in mind that our occupied territory IS PART of the EU and further European developments over the next few years might very well dictate the action that Turkey will eventually willingly or unwillingly be called upon to comply. Our occupied lands are not only our problem but also the problem of major European powers who would not look too kindly on us taking unilateral military action against Turkey , an action that will disturb much of the economic and social infrastructure put in place as a prerequisite to our becoming a full member.
Talk of war is crazy , misinterpreting opposition to war and branding an opposed opinion to this as treasonous is obscene.

Finaly Mr Paphitis , did you know that one of the criteria of measuring a mans integrity self respect and sincerity is his ability to say sorry , to shake hands and progress. I have said this to many people in the past when either by my actions or words , brought some distress upon them.
You should try it mate , it helps . Some of us had the guts to apologise to the T/Cs for all the atrocities that our people brought upon them during the early 60s , and some of the T/Cs also reciprocated , only by recognising our faults can we move on and negotiate successfully .

[Feisty]

Well my question still has validity.
How much do you integrate with Aboriginees?

About as much as the British, minus the extermination!

Isn't it amazing that when you get down to the nitty gritty of an issue you find that the behaviour that reigns supreme is hypocrisy.
You want to tell me how I should live my life IF I ever move to Cyprus when your behaviour in no way reflects what you preach.

[miltiades]

So he , Paphitis that is , born in Australia ?? Well we cant all be blessed I suppose , I was born in Stroumbi The Great in Paphos !!!

[Paphitis]

Let me start by dispelling your assumption that I have masters and that I obey to their rule. At the age of 62 , I can assure you I have always been my own master and have derived my views based on my own logical conclusions and on realities relevant at the time of formulating views on a matter. Let me also add that apart from a short spell following my qualification as an accountant , I have always , also, been my own boss having owned my own business since the age of 25 years old.

You have many masters which include the US, UK and Israel and fail to balance your ideals with the opposing view. I do not blame you for having bias towards the UK, because it is after all your country as Australia is mine.

My son in law agrees that a war against Turkey WILL NOT SOLVE THE CYPRUS PROBLEM, on the contrary agrees that it will be a major catastrophe for Cyprus of unprecedented dimensions.
Let me also make it abundantly clear so that you do not contribute your OWN interpretation as you have a habit of doing on this forum , that I'm not a pacifist and neither am I suggesting that our armed forces are either unable , unwilling or incompetent ,ON THE CONTRARY they are ready to defend our island against any aggression by Turkey , what they are not ready to do however is to embark on a war against a powerful occupier in order to liberate occupied land , eject thousands of settlers and simultaneously deal with the T/Cs when negotiations are progressing and when our options are multiple .

No one ever said that Cyprus can easily begin a war against Turkey. The CNG is only equipped as a very mobile force which is capable of getting itself to Kyrenia and maintaining it's position for a couple of weeks with the assistance of a naval blockade and then await international and UN intervention.

The mere fact that Turkey is still occupying 37% of the island, is an act of aggression which gives Cyprus the right to take any military action if it sees fit and provided that the conditions are right and that there is a chance of success, only possible with further geopolitical changes and alliances which are inevitable.

No one ever stated anything about ejecting the settlers or about "dealing" with the TCs.

Again, you persist with misconceptions.

Let me correct you , without having to paste once again GRs post stating clearly that ALL OPTIONS ARE NOW HISTORY AND THE ONLY WAY TO LIBERATE THE OCCUPIED PARTS IS BY WAGING A WAR STRIKING DEEP INTO SOUTHERN TURKEY AND IF NEED BE WE SHALL USE MERCENARIES.

Do not bother with posting that particular post again because you have done so at least a dozen times. Your argument does not change and persists with maintaining the misinterpretations.

When GR stated that all options are now history, he means after the collapse of any peace initiatives which many believe will happen by the end of the year. When the current Turkish Government is overthrown along with Talat, any attempts for a peace settlement will diminish.

Such absolute rubbish , you Mr Paphitis defended and led you to decide that since I ridiculed such nonsense I was therefore a traitor !!!
You have insinuated , quite deliberately , on a number of occasions that my ability to comprehend an issue is limited and when I respond in kind you immediately revert to interpreting according to your OWN understanding and not according to what was written.
I do not misinterpret or misunderstand any one's posts , I just do not tolerate stupidity and call a spade a spade .

You do misinterpret other persons posts and this is what makes them stupid. And the only stupidity you tolerate is your very own.

At this juncture of our history , as I stated earlier , Cyprus finds itself in the position of being capable of exerting considerable influence , for the first time in its history , on developments within the EU , THE MOST SUCCESFUL EVER UNION OF NATIONS , in a position to put an end to Turkeys ambitions of becoming a full member .

I do not think Turkey is overly concerned.

Further on we must bear in mind that our occupied territory IS PART of the EU and further European developments over the next few years might very well dictate the action that Turkey will eventually willingly or unwillingly be called upon to comply.

I do not think that the EU can force the real Turkish Government (The Turkish Defence Department) to do anything.

Our occupied lands are not only our problem but also the problem of major European powers who would not look too kindly on us taking unilateral military action against Turkey , an action that will disturb much of the economic and social infrastructure put in place as a prerequisite to our becoming a full member.
Talk of war is crazy , misinterpreting opposition to war and branding an opposed opinion to this as treasonous is obscene.

Any unilateral military action by Cyprus will only last for a maximum of 2 weeks as the international community will no doubt intervene. So the impact on infrastructure or the economy may not be as severe as you think.

Finaly Mr Paphitis , did you know that one of the criteria of measuring a mans integrity self respect and sincerity is his ability to say sorry , to shake hands and progress. I have said this to many people in the past when either by my actions or words , brought some distress upon them.

Another criteria is to never ridicule CNG capabilities and to never limit your options.

You should try it mate , it helps . Some of us had the guts to apologise to the T/Cs for all the atrocities that our people brought upon them during the early 60s , and some of the T/Cs also reciprocated , only by recognising our faults can we move on and negotiate successfully .

Yes, and President Christofias also apologised to Talat directly, and yet we are still waiting for this to be reciprocated. We will be waiting a very long time.

PS: It is apparent that you have nothing further to contribute to this debate. You keep maintaining the same misinterpretations and I do not have the energy nor the desire to engage you any further in your stupidity and lies. I will not be responding any more to your posts on this subject.

[Paphitis]

Well my question still has validity.
How much do you integrate with Aboriginees?

About as much as the British, minus the extermination!

Isn't it amazing that when you get down to the nitty gritty of an issue you find that the behaviour that reigns supreme is hypocrisy.
You want to tell me how I should live my life IF I ever move to Cyprus when your behaviour in no way reflects what you preach.

I do not understand the hypocricy that you are trying to outline. I am fully integrated into Australian society as are our native Aborigines. By me not integrating with them, is more a reflection of Australia's British colonial past. I do however respect the Aboriginal Culture and beleive that this is an integral part of Australia.

[Feisty]

When you're in a hole stop digging.
You do not integrate with Aboriginees as stated earlier. I don't need your excuses as to why you don't.

[miltiades]

Let me start by dispelling your assumption that I have masters and that I obey to their rule. At the age of 62 , I can assure you I have always been my own master and have derived my views based on my own logical conclusions and on realities relevant at the time of formulating views on a matter. Let me also add that apart from a short spell following my qualification as an accountant , I have always , also, been my own boss having owned my own business since the age of 25 years old.

You have many masters which include the US, UK and Israel and fail to balance your ideals with the opposing view. I do not blame you for having bias towards the UK, because it is after all your country as Australia is mine.

My son in law agrees that a war against Turkey WILL NOT SOLVE THE CYPRUS PROBLEM, on the contrary agrees that it will be a major catastrophe for Cyprus of unprecedented dimensions.
Let me also make it abundantly clear so that you do not contribute your OWN interpretation as you have a habit of doing on this forum , that I'm not a pacifist and neither am I suggesting that our armed forces are either unable , unwilling or incompetent ,ON THE CONTRARY they are ready to defend our island against any aggression by Turkey , what they are not ready to do however is to embark on a war against a powerful occupier in order to liberate occupied land , eject thousands of settlers and simultaneously deal with the T/Cs when negotiations are progressing and when our options are multiple .

No one ever said that Cyprus can easily begin a war against Turkey. The CNG is only equipped as a very mobile force which is capable of getting itself to Kyrenia and maintaining it's position for a couple of weeks with the assistance of a naval blockade and then await international and UN intervention.

The mere fact that Turkey is still occupying 37% of the island, is an act of aggression which gives Cyprus the right to take any military action if it sees fit and provided that the conditions are right and that there is a chance of success, only possible with further geopolitical changes and alliances which are inevitable.

No one ever stated anything about ejecting the settlers or about "dealing" with the TCs.

Again, you persist with misconceptions.

Let me correct you , without having to paste once again GRs post stating clearly that ALL OPTIONS ARE NOW HISTORY AND THE ONLY WAY TO LIBERATE THE OCCUPIED PARTS IS BY WAGING A WAR STRIKING DEEP INTO SOUTHERN TURKEY AND IF NEED BE WE SHALL USE MERCENARIES.

Do not bother with posting that particular post again because you have done so at least a dozen times. Your argument does not change and persists with maintaining the misinterpretations.

When GR stated that all options are now history, he means after the collapse of any peace initiatives which many believe will happen by the end of the year. When the current Turkish Government is overthrown along with Talat, any attempts for a peace settlement will diminish.

Such absolute rubbish , you Mr Paphitis defended and led you to decide that since I ridiculed such nonsense I was therefore a traitor !!!
You have insinuated , quite deliberately , on a number of occasions that my ability to comprehend an issue is limited and when I respond in kind you immediately revert to interpreting according to your OWN understanding and not according to what was written.
I do not misinterpret or misunderstand any one's posts , I just do not tolerate stupidity and call a spade a spade .

You do misinterpret other persons posts and this is what makes them stupid. And the only stupidity you tolerate is your very own.

At this juncture of our history , as I stated earlier , Cyprus finds itself in the position of being capable of exerting considerable influence , for the first time in its history , on developments within the EU , THE MOST SUCCESFUL EVER UNION OF NATIONS , in a position to put an end to Turkeys ambitions of becoming a full member .

I do not think Turkey is overly concerned.

Further on we must bear in mind that our occupied territory IS PART of the EU and further European developments over the next few years might very well dictate the action that Turkey will eventually willingly or unwillingly be called upon to comply.

I do not think that the EU can force the real Turkish Government (The Turkish Defence Department) to do anything.

Our occupied lands are not only our problem but also the problem of major European powers who would not look too kindly on us taking unilateral military action against Turkey , an action that will disturb much of the economic and social infrastructure put in place as a prerequisite to our becoming a full member.
Talk of war is crazy , misinterpreting opposition to war and branding an opposed opinion to this as treasonous is obscene.

Any unilateral military action by Cyprus will only last for a maximum of 2 weeks as the international community will no doubt intervene. So the impact on infrastructure or the economy may not be as severe as you think.

Finaly Mr Paphitis , did you know that one of the criteria of measuring a mans integrity self respect and sincerity is his ability to say sorry , to shake hands and progress. I have said this to many people in the past when either by my actions or words , brought some distress upon them.

Another criteria is to never ridicule CNG capabilities and to never limit your options.

You should try it mate , it helps . Some of us had the guts to apologise to the T/Cs for all the atrocities that our people brought upon them during the early 60s , and some of the T/Cs also reciprocated , only by recognising our faults can we move on and negotiate successfully .

Yes, and President Christofias also apologised to Talat directly, and yet we are still waiting for this to be reciprocated. We will be waiting a very long time.

PS: It is apparent that you have nothing further to contribute to this debate. You keep maintaining the same misinterpretations and I do not have the energy nor the desire to engage you any further in your stupidity and lies. I will not be responding any more to your posts on this subject.

Hey stupid , having just found out that you were not even born in Cyprus , yet you are asking us to shed our blood so that we can liberate your property in the occupied areas , you are also an expert commentator on the capabilities of our armed forces !! I have nothing further to debate with a bloody foreigner impostor !! Get lost mate !