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International Crisis Group …what a joke!

Postby Kifeas » Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:08 am

International Crisis Group …what a joke!

I was always wondering how a European so-called think-tank such as the International Crisis Group (ICG) could be coming up with such ridiculously shallow, inaccurate and worthless reports on Cyprus; in spite and regardless of the fact that it (ICG) may most likely be in the service of one-sided, conservative Anglo-American global interests, aiming to favor Turkey’s EU path.

The answer came yesterday, after reading in Turkish Zaman an interview of Hugh Pope, one of the key masterminds and “analysts” behind the reports of this ICG on Cyprus.

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detay ... ink=146169

You may read just one paragraph from this interview, and see in what fantasy land this person, Hugh Pope, is living into, and how twisted and distorted his knowledge is about the realities in the RoC and among the GC community.

Zaman:
What would have happened if someone had supported the Annan plan when Papadopoulos was in office?

Hugh Pope:
If you opposed Papadopoulos -- especially on the Annan plan -- you could have expected harassment in courts, vilification in the media and maybe even have your telephone bugged. If you were someone campaigning for the Annan plan, you were scared. Papadopoulos swayed public opinion. He said it was not a good plan. But in the four years after 2004, Greek Cypriots saw that none of Papadopoulos’ promises came true. The Turkish Cypriot side was becoming slightly stronger, not weaker.


What this idiot is basically trying to say, is that the 76% Greek Cypriot “No” to the Anan plan came only because Papadopoulos threatened, frightened and terrorized the GC public, and not because the GC side found the plan to be unfair and inadequate! The message this joke of an analyst is trying to send is that, “now that Papadopoulos has gone, bring back the Anan plan and Christofias will pass it through the GCs!”

Of course, all of the above that he says are lies that exist only in the fantasy of not just misinformed but twisted minds too; however, this is not the issue. With people like Hugh Pope as “senior analysts” on Cyprus for this ICG, no wonder this group’s reports on Cyprus are tantamount to Mickey Mouse ferry tails that cannot possibly be taken seriously.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:47 pm

Well, I wasn't living in Cyprus at that time. However, my mother was living in a small, very nationalistic village north of Limassol. There was a 100% "No" vote in this village in the Annan Plan referendum. She says that one of her neighbours secretly confided to her that he wanted to vote "Yes" but didn't dare to do so, saying that "they will find out who it was that voted "Yes" and I am prepared to take the flak for it, but I have a child in the primary school in the village and I am not prepared to see him suffer because his father voted the wrong way."
This anecdote supports the view that there was a lot of intimidation going on.
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Postby Brittania » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:56 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Well, I wasn't living in Cyprus at that time. However, my mother was living in a small, very nationalistic village north of Limassol. There was a 100% "No" vote in this village in the Annan Plan referendum. She says that one of her neighbours secretly confided to her that he wanted to vote "Yes" but didn't dare to do so, saying that "they will find out who it was that voted "Yes" and I am prepared to take the flak for it, but I have a child in the primary school in the village and I am not prepared to see him suffer because his father voted the wrong way."
This anecdote supports the view that there was a lot of intimidation going on.


there probably was intimidation going on but don't confuse it with govt intimidation. When an overwhelming majority of the population believe that a plan is as treasonous as the AP was, the rest of the population will feel intimidated.
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Postby Kifeas » Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:00 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Well, I wasn't living in Cyprus at that time. However, my mother was living in a small, very nationalistic village north of Limassol. There was a 100% "No" vote in this village in the Annan Plan referendum. She says that one of her neighbours secretly confided to her that he wanted to vote "Yes" but didn't dare to do so, saying that "they will find out who it was that voted "Yes" and I am prepared to take the flak for it, but I have a child in the primary school in the village and I am not prepared to see him suffer because his father voted the wrong way."
This anecdote supports the view that there was a lot of intimidation going on.


If this was the case, why didn't Papadopoulos use the same tactics to remain in power during the last elections? Is this the general feeling you got from GC politics, during your time in Cyprus? Did you find the GC society, which in the last elections gave Papadopoulos the 3rd position among the main candidates, to be one that tolerates being terrorized in voting one direction or another?
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Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:07 pm

Kifeas wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Well, I wasn't living in Cyprus at that time. However, my mother was living in a small, very nationalistic village north of Limassol. There was a 100% "No" vote in this village in the Annan Plan referendum. She says that one of her neighbours secretly confided to her that he wanted to vote "Yes" but didn't dare to do so, saying that "they will find out who it was that voted "Yes" and I am prepared to take the flak for it, but I have a child in the primary school in the village and I am not prepared to see him suffer because his father voted the wrong way."
This anecdote supports the view that there was a lot of intimidation going on.


If this was the case, why didn't Papadopoulos use the same tactics to remain in power during the last elections? Is this the general feeling you got from GC politics, during your time in Cyprus? Did you find the GC society, which in the last elections gave Papadopoulos the 3rd position among the main candidates, to be one that tolerates being terrorized in voting one direction or another?


No, this is not the impression I have gained, and I myself voted in the most recent municipal elections. I live in an urban area and I can imagine that things may be very different in an isolated village with a population of about 200.
I hear stories about "Yes" supporters having their windows broken and cars vandalised etc. These are all false rumours, then?
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Postby lovernomore » Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:16 pm

Tim Drayton,

Maybe you dont know, Kifeas is what TCs call GARA GAVUR. He will deny or justify everything the GCs do or dont do.

He is the reason of problems in Cyprus. Majority of Gcs are Kifeas, thst why TC and GC never live in harmony.
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Postby Kifeas » Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:16 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Well, I wasn't living in Cyprus at that time. However, my mother was living in a small, very nationalistic village north of Limassol. There was a 100% "No" vote in this village in the Annan Plan referendum. She says that one of her neighbours secretly confided to her that he wanted to vote "Yes" but didn't dare to do so, saying that "they will find out who it was that voted "Yes" and I am prepared to take the flak for it, but I have a child in the primary school in the village and I am not prepared to see him suffer because his father voted the wrong way."
This anecdote supports the view that there was a lot of intimidation going on.


If this was the case, why didn't Papadopoulos use the same tactics to remain in power during the last elections? Is this the general feeling you got from GC politics, during your time in Cyprus? Did you find the GC society, which in the last elections gave Papadopoulos the 3rd position among the main candidates, to be one that tolerates being terrorized in voting one direction or another?


No, this is not the impression I have gained, and I myself voted in the most recent municipal elections. I live in an urban area and I can imagine that things may be very different in an isolated village with a population of about 200.
I hear stories about "Yes" supporters having their windows broken and cars vandalised etc. These are all false rumours, then?


There might have been a few isolated insistences of such nature, however they were the acts of ordinary people, out of their own excitement or anger, and in no case they were directed by any of the political circles or personalities supporting one way or another. Even in football matches in Cyprus, almost every week, one will come across incidents of such nature, and this does not stop people continuing to support one team or another, or stop going to football matches.

If there was an attempt to terrorize the Cypriot public, this came from foreign elements, mainly from some Anglo-American and some EU circles, in favor of the "Yes" vote! The only thing Xavier Solana refrained from telling us it would have happen to us if we did not say "yes," would have been to ask Nato or Turkey to bomb us! All the rest he did say, in an effort to terrorize the GC public!
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Postby Jerry » Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:28 pm

If you look at Hugh Pope's background you will see that he is a Turcophile, so his views are, to say the least, a little biased.
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Postby Kifeas » Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:30 pm

lovernomore wrote:Tim Drayton,

Maybe you dont know, Kifeas is what TCs call GARA GAVUR. He will deny or justify everything the GCs do or dont do.

He is the reason of problems in Cyprus. Majority of Gcs are Kifeas, thst why TC and GC never live in harmony.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

No "lovernomore," I am not a gara gavur! I am only a Rumlar Kara köpek! gouf ...gouf ...gouf!

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:34 pm

I have found the following quote in an article in the Guardian about the Annan Plan referendum:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/ap ... orgewright

The Cyprus Mail - which leads today with the headline "Hate and fear on the streets" - says the real threat comes from within the country, where incidents of violence and intimidation have marred the democratic process.
"I don't feel safe in my country," writes columnist George Hasapakos. "I am afraid to express my views on the Annan plan, as some people say it is an "evil' plan"; some say it will mark the end of Cyprus; some say that we will have another plan soon."
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