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[miltiades]

In the 21st century a nation takes time off to consider a vastly important issue , do our women wear a scarf or not !!!
Some one on this forum once called Turkey the modern new world !!

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- Turkey's top court has ruled Islamic head scarves cannot be allowed at universities. The decision is a defeat for the Islamic-oriented government, which tried to free the Islamic attire as a matter of religious and personal freedoms.




Turkey's top court could issue a decision on whether to cancel a law allowing Islamic head scarves in universities.

The Constitutional Court verdict on Thursday says amendments passed by Parliament in February are against the secular principles of the Constitution.

The verdict is expected to have repercussions on a separate court case in which Turkey's chief prosecutor is seeking to disband the ruling party on grounds that it is "the focal point of anti-secular activities."

Many see the head scarf as an emblem of political Islam, and consider any attempt to allow it in schools as an attack against modern Turkey's secular laws.

The issue is an explosive one in Turkey, where the government is locked in a power struggle with secular groups that have support from the military and other state institutions.

Some observers believe the court will say head scarves cannot be allowed in universities unless constitutional articles related to secularism are amended. Such a decision would signal defeat for the government, as it would face vigorous opposition if it sought to change the concept of secularism in modern Turkey.

"I don't think that the court will rule any differently than it did in 1989. It will not open the doors to head scarves," said Ali Tekin, a lecturer at Ankara's Bilkent University, referring to a previous ruling upholding the ban. At the time, the court ruled that the head scarves violated secularism.

A ruling upholding the ban would give "a strong negative indication concerning the (ruling) party's closure," Tekin said Wednesday.

Turkey's chief prosecutor is seeking to disband Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's party on grounds that it is "the focal point of anti-secular activities." He has cited attempts to allow head scarves at universities as a case in point.

In February, Parliament passed constitutional amendments to allow head scarves to be worn at universities -- but not in schools or state offices. Those who pushed the amendments argued that wearing a head scarf was a matter of free expression and religious freedom.

The secular opposition immediately appealed the ruling to the top court.

[Big Al]

In the 21st century a nation takes time off to consider a vastly important issue , do our women wear a scarf or not !!!
Some one on this forum once called Turkey the modern new world !!

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- Turkey's top court has ruled Islamic head scarves cannot be allowed at universities. The decision is a defeat for the Islamic-oriented government, which tried to free the Islamic attire as a matter of religious and personal freedoms.




Turkey's top court could issue a decision on whether to cancel a law allowing Islamic head scarves in universities.

The Constitutional Court verdict on Thursday says amendments passed by Parliament in February are against the secular principles of the Constitution.

The verdict is expected to have repercussions on a separate court case in which Turkey's chief prosecutor is seeking to disband the ruling party on grounds that it is "the focal point of anti-secular activities."

Many see the head scarf as an emblem of political Islam, and consider any attempt to allow it in schools as an attack against modern Turkey's secular laws.

The issue is an explosive one in Turkey, where the government is locked in a power struggle with secular groups that have support from the military and other state institutions.

Some observers believe the court will say head scarves cannot be allowed in universities unless constitutional articles related to secularism are amended. Such a decision would signal defeat for the government, as it would face vigorous opposition if it sought to change the concept of secularism in modern Turkey.

"I don't think that the court will rule any differently than it did in 1989. It will not open the doors to head scarves," said Ali Tekin, a lecturer at Ankara's Bilkent University, referring to a previous ruling upholding the ban. At the time, the court ruled that the head scarves violated secularism.

A ruling upholding the ban would give "a strong negative indication concerning the (ruling) party's closure," Tekin said Wednesday.

Turkey's chief prosecutor is seeking to disband Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's party on grounds that it is "the focal point of anti-secular activities." He has cited attempts to allow head scarves at universities as a case in point.

In February, Parliament passed constitutional amendments to allow head scarves to be worn at universities -- but not in schools or state offices. Those who pushed the amendments argued that wearing a head scarf was a matter of free expression and religious freedom.

The secular opposition immediately appealed the ruling to the top court.

No Miltaides, we dream on ENOSIS!!!!

[halil]

Dear friend Miltiades,

do our women wear a scarf or not ?

does it matter if they wear scarf or not . For me it doesn't matter .

we can not judge the civilization or moderation by scarf .

we can not judge the democracy by scarf .

we can not say who are wearing scarf are uncivilized .

i can assure you there is a very intelligent people in them and there is a more civilized ones than opened head ones .

it is their free will to wear scarf or not the wear . we can not judge one nation or nations that they are far away from modern world .

they are using what we are using or they know how to make all the modern technologies .

there is a good doctors or scientist from them .

whats the point to stopping them to get education from universities . i don't agree with people who are banning them from education or getting a job from government sites . it is not fair .

also i don!t think it is a danger for Turkey or rest of it world to wear a scarf .

more ban makes them stronger than strong everyday .

who ever tries to ban these people firstly they must look at their families i believe all they are mothers or grand mothers wears scarf.

[miltiades]

Halil , my posting of this is to highlight the immense difference between the T/Cs and mainland Turkey. I can not possibly imagine Turkish Cypriots debating for months on end whether their women folk should or should not wear scarves.
The decision of the Turkish courts will have serious repercussions on the democratic principles applied in Turkey.
I think it is an absolute fundamental right of citizens in a democracy to dress as they please , not however according to the Turkish courts.This shows a weakness in the application of democratic principles and T/Cs ought to take this with some seriousness.

[miltiades]

In the 21st century a nation takes time off to consider a vastly important issue , do our women wear a scarf or not !!!
Some one on this forum once called Turkey the modern new world !!

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- Turkey's top court has ruled Islamic head scarves cannot be allowed at universities. The decision is a defeat for the Islamic-oriented government, which tried to free the Islamic attire as a matter of religious and personal freedoms.




Turkey's top court could issue a decision on whether to cancel a law allowing Islamic head scarves in universities.

The Constitutional Court verdict on Thursday says amendments passed by Parliament in February are against the secular principles of the Constitution.

The verdict is expected to have repercussions on a separate court case in which Turkey's chief prosecutor is seeking to disband the ruling party on grounds that it is "the focal point of anti-secular activities."

Many see the head scarf as an emblem of political Islam, and consider any attempt to allow it in schools as an attack against modern Turkey's secular laws.

The issue is an explosive one in Turkey, where the government is locked in a power struggle with secular groups that have support from the military and other state institutions.

Some observers believe the court will say head scarves cannot be allowed in universities unless constitutional articles related to secularism are amended. Such a decision would signal defeat for the government, as it would face vigorous opposition if it sought to change the concept of secularism in modern Turkey.

"I don't think that the court will rule any differently than it did in 1989. It will not open the doors to head scarves," said Ali Tekin, a lecturer at Ankara's Bilkent University, referring to a previous ruling upholding the ban. At the time, the court ruled that the head scarves violated secularism.

A ruling upholding the ban would give "a strong negative indication concerning the (ruling) party's closure," Tekin said Wednesday.

Turkey's chief prosecutor is seeking to disband Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's party on grounds that it is "the focal point of anti-secular activities." He has cited attempts to allow head scarves at universities as a case in point.

In February, Parliament passed constitutional amendments to allow head scarves to be worn at universities -- but not in schools or state offices. Those who pushed the amendments argued that wearing a head scarf was a matter of free expression and religious freedom.

The secular opposition immediately appealed the ruling to the top court.

No Miltaides, we dream on ENOSIS!!!!

ENOSIS to the G/Cs is anathema . The RoC , European member , recognised the world over IS the only natural home of the T/Cs , you of course being a foreigner would not understand !

[tessintrnc]

Someone posted a picture of a Greek Cypriot woman making a traditional basket the other day, and SHE WORE A SCARF. So whats the big deal?? One rule for Greek Cypriots and another for Turkish women? Women should have a choice. Paranoia about Islamic plots both inside and outside Turkey are getting ridiculous.

[GAVCARoCOM]

doesnt matter what you wear. its important how u live.

[miltiades]

Someone posted a picture of a Greek Cypriot woman making a traditional basket the other day, and SHE WORE A SCARF. So whats the big deal?? One rule for Greek Cypriots and another for Turkish women? Women should have a choice. Paranoia about Islamic plots both inside and outside Turkey are getting ridiculous.

Of course women and men should have a choice , however the Turkish courts ruled otherwise , if you read the report of the court rulings you will see how laughable the entire process has been.
Nothing whatsoever to do with G/C women wearing scarves , they can wear what ever pleases them in a true democracy, I think you misunderstood the contents of the court findings Tess , its about the Higher Turkish courts making the wearing of scarves at universities illegal !! Such is the mentality of the army influenced legislature , that they will spend months deliberating on such a trivial matter .
Let the T/Cs understand that absorbed by Turkey takes them back a century at least.

[halil]

Someone posted a picture of a Greek Cypriot woman making a traditional basket the other day, and SHE WORE A SCARF. So whats the big deal?? One rule for Greek Cypriots and another for Turkish women? Women should have a choice. Paranoia about Islamic plots both inside and outside Turkey are getting ridiculous.

İt is true Tess . these things are only to stir up in Turkey and to make them weaker and do what ever west or America wants to do in Turkey .
whenever their economy gets stronger and Turkey find stability these actors are in action . İn old days army was doing these things , like coups or etc....etc .... now social democrats or so called modern ones are trying to stir up everything .

i believe Turkey will get over from this game .Stable Turkey means new hopes for Cyprus too . otherwise fanatics will be in power and no future for Cyprus too .

[Viewpoint]

Someone posted a picture of a Greek Cypriot woman making a traditional basket the other day, and SHE WORE A SCARF. So whats the big deal?? One rule for Greek Cypriots and another for Turkish women? Women should have a choice. Paranoia about Islamic plots both inside and outside Turkey are getting ridiculous.

Of course women and men should have a choice , however the Turkish courts ruled otherwise , if you read the report of the court rulings you will see how laughable the entire process has been.
Nothing whatsoever to do with G/C women wearing scarves , they can wear what ever pleases them in a true democracy, I think you misunderstood the contents of the court findings Tess , its about the Higher Turkish courts making the wearing of scarves at universities illegal !! Such is the mentality of the army influenced legislature , that they will spend months deliberating on such a trivial matter .
Let the T/Cs understand that absorbed by Turkey takes them back a century at least.

mitiades have you not yet realized this is preferred to becoming a minority in a GC state run by GCs. We have that choice today TCs can move south whenever they wish but they dont ask yourself why?