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[erolz]

Metecyp, GCs are not taking TCs as such to courts. This is an intentional lie of the TC side in order to create impressions. No one TC was truly harassed so far. What happens is law sues against foreign buyers of GC land or of houses built or bought by them in such properties. That's all. The allegations of the TC ("TRNC") "authorities" that GCs go against TCs are a lie in order to victimise the GC side and the RoC for "spoiling" the climate for a solution. However, If the TC side was sincere in their pledges for a solution, they should have themselves make sure that this property robbery that takes places in the north is stopped. They do nothing to that direction though.

I personaly do not see the distinction. The 'attack' on property sales (and toursim) and others are an attack on the TRNC and by extension TC. That this 'attack' is indirectly against TC does not change the very real effects on TC. It is also in line with a constant campaign against the economic health and viability of the TRNC that started in 74 and continues till today.

I am not saying that this 'attack' by the RoC is not understandable and in many ways inveitbale. What I do dispute is that there is any intenet to harm TC and only to harm 'foreigners'. I also dispute that it does not 'sour' the environment and chance for a solution.

If the RoC is sincere about not wanting to harm TC economicaly and only to desire stopping sales of pre 74 properties why does it not offer some kid of 'trade' for the economic loss that stopping sales of pre 74 GC will mean, like agreeing direct flights to the North in exchange for restrictions on sales of pre 74 GC properties in the north?

[Viewpoint]

What about all those Turkish Cypriots living in London who have built villas on land exchanged in the south for land in the north. Are they next??? How about all those retired English people who have been living in the north for over 25 years, why not prosecute them. Then how about all those foreign tourists that use the hotels and dont pay the old GC owner will they be sued as well, maybe they can pay a tax to the previous owner, why not arrest them as they land at heathrow.

[erolz]

Then how about all those foreign tourists that use the hotels and dont pay the old GC owner will they be sued as well, maybe they can pay a tax to the previous owner, why not arrest them as they land at heathrow.

Actualy the RoC already tried this appraoch in the UK and failed. They argued that UK courts should prosecute UK citizens in the UK for using former GC owned hotels in the north. It went all the way to house of lords if my memory serves.

[Kifeas]

What about all those Turkish Cypriots living in London who have built villas on land exchanged in the south for land in the north. Are they next??? How about all those retired English people who have been living in the north for over 25 years, why not prosecute them. Then how about all those foreign tourists that use the hotels and dont pay the old GC owner will they be sued as well, maybe they can pay a tax to the previous owner, why not arrest them as they land at heathrow.

Viewpoint, you and all the rest of Cypriots (GCs & TCs) hope, work and pray for a solution as soon as possible in the near future. Alternatively, I am personally seeing things getting out of all propositions and the economic, political and legal war between the two sides will reach unprecedented levels. Things cannot just continue to remain as they have been for the last 31 years. This is not a thread to anyone. I am just describing what I see as an inevitable development.

[Kifeas]

Then how about all those foreign tourists that use the hotels and dont pay the old GC owner will they be sued as well, maybe they can pay a tax to the previous owner, why not arrest them as they land at heathrow.

Actualy the RoC already tried this appraoch in the UK and failed. They argued that UK courts should prosecute UK citizens in the UK for using former GC owned hotels in the north. It went all the way to house of lords if my memory serves.

Erol, I can assure you the next step in this war that I described above will be to prohibit all British Tour operators from marketing, advertising and selling in the U.K. and elsewhere in the E.U. any holiday packages that will include hotels build on GC properties in the north. Believe me this is not an impossible or even difficult step to take. I am just telling you what to expect. I hope we can soon find a mutually acceptable and dignified solution and consequently do not have to see such bitter developments to actually occur.

[garbitsch]

Erol, I can assure you the next step in this war that I described above will be to prohibit all British Tour operators from marketing, advertising and selling in the U.K. and elsewhere in the E.U. any holiday packages that will include hotels build on GC properties in the north. Believe me this is not an impossible or even difficult step to take. I am just telling you what to expect. I hope we can soon find a mutually acceptable and dignified solution and consequently do not have to see such bitter developments to actually occur.

But this is unfair and is a huge barrier towards mutual trust! What could an ordinary T.C do now? He will not be able to live in his house and he will not be able to work in his business. The tourists won't come etc etc. I know the G.Cs have legal basis for their claims, but persons cannot solve Cyprus problem by sueing other persons. Am I making myself clear here? There needs steps from BOTH sides not only from the Turkish side...

[erolz]

I am just telling you what to expect. I hope we can soon find a mutually acceptable and dignified solution and consequently do not have to see such bitter developments to actually occur.

I hope so too but this 'war' is nothing new. It has been waged from 74 onwards with no real let up and in many ways before 74 as well. It is also not fair in my opinion to charterise it as a one way war. It is a vicoius cricle of attack and counter attack. The question is how can we break out of this cycle and avoid continual escalation. I do not think that actions against say the orams, or Mark Unwin helps us to do this (as I also accept many of our acts do not do so either). In reality their can be no unilateral breaking of this cycle as I see it. There can only be combined sincere and simultaneous attempts and even these are frought with possible failure. The whole thing is a great big mess. I wish it was not.

[Kifeas]

Erol, I can assure you the next step in this war that I described above will be to prohibit all British Tour operators from marketing, advertising and selling in the U.K. and elsewhere in the E.U. any holiday packages that will include hotels build on GC properties in the north. Believe me this is not an impossible or even difficult step to take. I am just telling you what to expect. I hope we can soon find a mutually acceptable and dignified solution and consequently do not have to see such bitter developments to actually occur.

But this is unfair and is a huge barrier towards mutual trust! What could an ordinary T.C do now? He will not be able to live in his house and he will not be able to work in his business. The tourists won't come etc etc. I know the G.Cs have legal basis for their claims, but persons cannot solve Cyprus problem by sueing other persons. Am I making myself clear here? There needs steps from BOTH sides not only from the Turkish side...

And what are these, -only from the Turkish side- steps? That after dragging their feet for 30 years and advocating that the Cyprus problem was solved in 1974 simply because they had the upper hand militarily, they eventually accepted the Annan plan which the GCs couldn’t accept for one million reasons?

[turkcyp]

Erol, I can assure you the next step in this war that I described above will be to prohibit all British Tour operators from marketing, advertising and selling in the U.K. and elsewhere in the E.U. any holiday packages that will include hotels build on GC properties in the north. Believe me this is not an impossible or even difficult step to take. I am just telling you what to expect. I hope we can soon find a mutually acceptable and dignified solution and consequently do not have to see such bitter developments to actually occur.

As I have always say.

They should try everything in their power to do whatever they can. TCs are used to living in isolation anyway, and we are also used to hearing the same argument of "you bring the isolation on to you".

This does not say anything other than, "You either agree on our terms or keep on living the way you are now."

I say bring it on.

[Anglo]

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"Erol, I can assure you the next step in this war that I described above will be to prohibit all British Tour operators from marketing, advertising and selling in the U.K. and elsewhere in the E.U. any holiday packages that will include hotels build on GC properties in the north. Believe me this is not an impossible or even difficult step to take. I am just telling you what to expect. I hope we can soon find a mutually acceptable and dignified solution and consequently do not have to see such bitter developments to actually occur. "

I'm sorry to burst your bubble but while it is true that by making a nuisance of themselves with UK/EU companies GCs can scupper a lot of business for the TRNC what they cannot do is take successful legal action against people having a holiday there. Remember, the EU supports (only lip service admittedly at the moment) an ending of embargoes and supports people crossing over to the north from the south.

The GCs biggest asset in this 'war' is the innocent ignorance of 99% of the world to the Cyprus problem. The more controversy the GCs generate the more people will be forced to look more closely at the Cyprus issue and then more than likely they will see that it isn't as black and white as the GCs would have them believe.

Just because Ken Livingston was a push over doesn't mean everyone will be (besides, he has a Greek Cypriot girlfriend)