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[Tim Drayton]

Cypriot Greeks and Turks never have and never will able to live in peace and harmony.

On numerous occasions, I have heard both Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots talking of the peace and harmony that used to exist in mixed villages. Are they lying?

There was always mistrust and double standards, plus all the trouble in cyprus has always been sparked in "mixed villages".

Thanks for your input. Kıbrıs'a gittin mi hiç, Avustralyalı?

is that a rhetorical question? do you think that because you can speak or write Turkish that it makes you an expert on all things Turkish? I have seen your website, you're involved in some form of translation, stick with your day job and dont assume your are smarter than everyone else.

No, it is not a rhetorical question. I am genuinely curious as to whether you have been to Cyprus. I am also curious as to whether you can actually write a coherent passage in Turkish as opposed to peppering your posts with a few childish obscenities. Does that make me an uptight Pom? In the eyes of an Australian, perhaps.

You were complaining yesterday about writing in Turkish and now you want me to write in Turkish??? OK
evet, dort kere gittim, gecen sene evlemdim ve hanimina beraber kibris gittik.
Dont question my turklish my friend, i can get by regardless of whether im in Cyprus or Turkey. Just because i live in Oz doesnt mean i havent been able to be schooled in Turkish too.

I was actually complaining that admin let's you get away with it. But since they do, why don't I do the same?

The point I am trying to make is that I have heard from ordinary Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots who actually lived in mixed villages in Cyprus that before the conflict broke out people lived in peace and harmony. I'm sorry, mate, everyone is entitled to their opinion but the views of people who have lived in Cyprus all their lives have more credibility for me than the words of somebody who was born in Oz and has visited Cyprus four times.

[Big Al]

Cypriot Greeks and Turks never have and never will able to live in peace and harmony.

On numerous occasions, I have heard both Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots talking of the peace and harmony that used to exist in mixed villages. Are they lying?

There was always mistrust and double standards, plus all the trouble in cyprus has always been sparked in "mixed villages".

Thanks for your input. Kıbrıs'a gittin mi hiç, Avustralyalı?

is that a rhetorical question? do you think that because you can speak or write Turkish that it makes you an expert on all things Turkish? I have seen your website, you're involved in some form of translation, stick with your day job and dont assume your are smarter than everyone else.

No, it is not a rhetorical question. I am genuinely curious as to whether you have been to Cyprus. I am also curious as to whether you can actually write a coherent passage in Turkish as opposed to peppering your posts with a few childish obscenities. Does that make me an uptight Pom? In the eyes of an Australian, perhaps.

You were complaining yesterday about writing in Turkish and now you want me to write in Turkish??? OK
evet, dort kere gittim, gecen sene evlemdim ve hanimina beraber kibris gittik.
Dont question my turklish my friend, i can get by regardless of whether im in Cyprus or Turkey. Just because i live in Oz doesnt mean i havent been able to be schooled in Turkish too.

I was actually complaining that admin let's you get away with it. But since they do, why don't I do the same?

The point I am trying to make is that I have heard from ordinary Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots who actually lived in mixed villages in Cyprus that before the conflict broke out people lived in peace and harmony. I'm sorry, mate, everyone is entitled to their opinion but the views of people who have lived in Cyprus all their lives have more credibility for me than the words of somebody who was born in Oz and has visited Cyprus four times.

You really think you're clever dont you, if you wanted to know about these mixed villages you would have to be speaking to people that lived in them pre 1974 and possibly pre 1960's, therefore the people you are speaking to are the same people im speaking you Mr Translator. If you are speaking to anyone regarding these villages they would more than likely be 45 years of age or older (in order for them to remember), same as me, the only difference is that i hear from the ones that remained in Cyprus as well as the ones that moved to other countries and NONE that i have ever spoken to would blame Turkey for the problems in Cyprus or say that they lived in complete peace with GC. Im getting sick of your anti-Turkey, pro greek cypriot opions, Great Britain committed so many crimes against people throughout the world and yet you target Turkey.

[pantheman]

You really think you're clever dont you, if you wanted to know about these mixed villages you would have to be speaking to people that lived in them pre 1974 and possibly pre 1960's, therefore the people you are speaking to are the same people im speaking you Mr Translator. If you are speaking to anyone regarding these villages they would more than likely be 45 years of age or older (in order for them to remember), same as me, the only difference is that i hear from the ones that remained in Cyprus as well as the ones that moved to other countries and NONE that i have ever spoken to would blame Turkey for the problems in Cyprus or say that they lived in complete peace with GC. Im getting sick of your anti-Turkey, pro greek cypriot opions, Great Britain committed so many crimes against people throughout the world and yet you target Turkey.

Big Al, I think you will find that Tim is one of your own! he is either a TC or Turks whichever. From previous posts I would suspect he is a TC and uses a an english name as a disguise

Bringing the UK into it won't make a blind bit of difference here either.

Oh and Tim is never Pro-GC thats for sure. I guess he just says it as he sees it.

[Tim Drayton]

Cypriot Greeks and Turks never have and never will able to live in peace and harmony.

On numerous occasions, I have heard both Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots talking of the peace and harmony that used to exist in mixed villages. Are they lying?

There was always mistrust and double standards, plus all the trouble in cyprus has always been sparked in "mixed villages".

Thanks for your input. Kıbrıs'a gittin mi hiç, Avustralyalı?

is that a rhetorical question? do you think that because you can speak or write Turkish that it makes you an expert on all things Turkish? I have seen your website, you're involved in some form of translation, stick with your day job and dont assume your are smarter than everyone else.

No, it is not a rhetorical question. I am genuinely curious as to whether you have been to Cyprus. I am also curious as to whether you can actually write a coherent passage in Turkish as opposed to peppering your posts with a few childish obscenities. Does that make me an uptight Pom? In the eyes of an Australian, perhaps.

You were complaining yesterday about writing in Turkish and now you want me to write in Turkish??? OK
evet, dort kere gittim, gecen sene evlemdim ve hanimina beraber kibris gittik.
Dont question my turklish my friend, i can get by regardless of whether im in Cyprus or Turkey. Just because i live in Oz doesnt mean i havent been able to be schooled in Turkish too.

I was actually complaining that admin let's you get away with it. But since they do, why don't I do the same?

The point I am trying to make is that I have heard from ordinary Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots who actually lived in mixed villages in Cyprus that before the conflict broke out people lived in peace and harmony. I'm sorry, mate, everyone is entitled to their opinion but the views of people who have lived in Cyprus all their lives have more credibility for me than the words of somebody who was born in Oz and has visited Cyprus four times.

You really think you're clever dont you, if you wanted to know about these mixed villages you would have to be speaking to people that lived in them pre 1974 and possibly pre 1960's, therefore the people you are speaking to are the same people im speaking you Mr Translator. If you are speaking to anyone regarding these villages they would more than likely be 45 years of age or older (in order for them to remember), same as me, the only difference is that i hear from the ones that remained in Cyprus as well as the ones that moved to other countries and NONE that i have ever spoken to would blame Turkey for the problems in Cyprus or say that they lived in complete peace with GC. Im getting sick of your anti-Turkey, pro greek cypriot opions, Great Britain committed so many crimes against people throughout the world and yet you target Turkey.

I am having difficulty following you, mate. Yes, I am simply passing on what I have heard from elderly people in Cyprus. I am not making any other claim whatsoever.

[Big Al]

Cypriot Greeks and Turks never have and never will able to live in peace and harmony.

On numerous occasions, I have heard both Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots talking of the peace and harmony that used to exist in mixed villages. Are they lying?

There was always mistrust and double standards, plus all the trouble in cyprus has always been sparked in "mixed villages".

Thanks for your input. Kıbrıs'a gittin mi hiç, Avustralyalı?

is that a rhetorical question? do you think that because you can speak or write Turkish that it makes you an expert on all things Turkish? I have seen your website, you're involved in some form of translation, stick with your day job and dont assume your are smarter than everyone else.

No, it is not a rhetorical question. I am genuinely curious as to whether you have been to Cyprus. I am also curious as to whether you can actually write a coherent passage in Turkish as opposed to peppering your posts with a few childish obscenities. Does that make me an uptight Pom? In the eyes of an Australian, perhaps.

You were complaining yesterday about writing in Turkish and now you want me to write in Turkish??? OK
evet, dort kere gittim, gecen sene evlemdim ve hanimina beraber kibris gittik.
Dont question my turklish my friend, i can get by regardless of whether im in Cyprus or Turkey. Just because i live in Oz doesnt mean i havent been able to be schooled in Turkish too.

I was actually complaining that admin let's you get away with it. But since they do, why don't I do the same?

The point I am trying to make is that I have heard from ordinary Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots who actually lived in mixed villages in Cyprus that before the conflict broke out people lived in peace and harmony. I'm sorry, mate, everyone is entitled to their opinion but the views of people who have lived in Cyprus all their lives have more credibility for me than the words of somebody who was born in Oz and has visited Cyprus four times.

You really think you're clever dont you, if you wanted to know about these mixed villages you would have to be speaking to people that lived in them pre 1974 and possibly pre 1960's, therefore the people you are speaking to are the same people im speaking you Mr Translator. If you are speaking to anyone regarding these villages they would more than likely be 45 years of age or older (in order for them to remember), same as me, the only difference is that i hear from the ones that remained in Cyprus as well as the ones that moved to other countries and NONE that i have ever spoken to would blame Turkey for the problems in Cyprus or say that they lived in complete peace with GC. Im getting sick of your anti-Turkey, pro greek cypriot opions, Great Britain committed so many crimes against people throughout the world and yet you target Turkey.

I am having difficulty following you, mate. Yes, I am simply passing on what I have heard from elderly people in Cyprus. I am not making any other claim whatsoever.

You are passing on anti-turkish shit because you have something against Turkey.

[miltiades]

I spent 2 years in the Limassol orphanage way back in 1953 sharing a dormitory with T/C children of my age who had also become orphans just as I did. We played together ate together and shared our time together. There was no hatred back then , no one indoctrinating us to hate each other , we knew no difference and the T/C kids all spoke Greek , nothing wrong with that since the overwhelming number of Cypriots spoke Greek.
Hatred started with the extremists spreading their brand of hatred just as this foreigner is doing right now.
What prompted me to visit Istinjo recently and pay homage to a great Cypriot , Birkibrisly ?
Was it hatred for my Turkish Cypriot compatriots or was it my love of my country and all of its people ?
This foreigner has no right to be spreading his malicious hatred in our country , it aint his , Turkey is his country not our Cyprus >

[Tim Drayton]

Cypriot Greeks and Turks never have and never will able to live in peace and harmony.

On numerous occasions, I have heard both Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots talking of the peace and harmony that used to exist in mixed villages. Are they lying?

There was always mistrust and double standards, plus all the trouble in cyprus has always been sparked in "mixed villages".

Thanks for your input. Kıbrıs'a gittin mi hiç, Avustralyalı?

is that a rhetorical question? do you think that because you can speak or write Turkish that it makes you an expert on all things Turkish? I have seen your website, you're involved in some form of translation, stick with your day job and dont assume your are smarter than everyone else.

No, it is not a rhetorical question. I am genuinely curious as to whether you have been to Cyprus. I am also curious as to whether you can actually write a coherent passage in Turkish as opposed to peppering your posts with a few childish obscenities. Does that make me an uptight Pom? In the eyes of an Australian, perhaps.

You were complaining yesterday about writing in Turkish and now you want me to write in Turkish??? OK
evet, dort kere gittim, gecen sene evlemdim ve hanimina beraber kibris gittik.
Dont question my turklish my friend, i can get by regardless of whether im in Cyprus or Turkey. Just because i live in Oz doesnt mean i havent been able to be schooled in Turkish too.

I was actually complaining that admin let's you get away with it. But since they do, why don't I do the same?

The point I am trying to make is that I have heard from ordinary Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots who actually lived in mixed villages in Cyprus that before the conflict broke out people lived in peace and harmony. I'm sorry, mate, everyone is entitled to their opinion but the views of people who have lived in Cyprus all their lives have more credibility for me than the words of somebody who was born in Oz and has visited Cyprus four times.

You really think you're clever dont you, if you wanted to know about these mixed villages you would have to be speaking to people that lived in them pre 1974 and possibly pre 1960's, therefore the people you are speaking to are the same people im speaking you Mr Translator. If you are speaking to anyone regarding these villages they would more than likely be 45 years of age or older (in order for them to remember), same as me, the only difference is that i hear from the ones that remained in Cyprus as well as the ones that moved to other countries and NONE that i have ever spoken to would blame Turkey for the problems in Cyprus or say that they lived in complete peace with GC. Im getting sick of your anti-Turkey, pro greek cypriot opions, Great Britain committed so many crimes against people throughout the world and yet you target Turkey.

I am having difficulty following you, mate. Yes, I am simply passing on what I have heard from elderly people in Cyprus. I am not making any other claim whatsoever.

You are passing on anti-turkish shit because you have something against Turkey.

So the statement that I have heard from a number of elderly Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots who once lived in mixed villages that people from both ethnic groups lived together in harmony before the conflict broke out is "anti-Turkish shit". Your logic totally escapes me. What is "anti-Turkish" about that statement? Must be a Pom thing, I suppose.

[Viewpoint]

Tim that was pre 1974 where the GCs where the top dog and we were second class citizens struggling to survive. Things have changed and both sides have had a taste of running their own show neither side will give this up easily there has to be something out on the table that is more attractive than the current situation and acceptable to both sides otherwise the status quo will continue for a long time to come if not indefinitely.

[Tim Drayton]

Tim that was pre 1974 where the GCs where the top dog and we were second class citizens struggling to survive. Things have changed and both sides have had a taste of running their own show neither side will give this up easily there has to be something out on the table that is more attractive than the current situation and acceptable to both sides otherwise the status quo will continue for a long time to come if not indefinitely.

I was simply challenging the validity of the statement:

Cypriot Greeks and Turks never have and never will able to live in peace and harmony.

Nothing else.

[Nikitas]

"There was always mistrust and double standards, plus all the trouble in cyprus has always been sparked in "mixed villages"."

This is total bullshit which is not borne out by the facts of the conflict from 1958 till 1974. Mixed villages were not the flashpoints any more than non-mixed villages. Trouble started where the fanatics of each side had enough control.