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Postby metecyp » Tue May 03, 2005 4:08 pm

Piratis wrote:Your theory is way exaggerated. The coup and Junta ended in 1974. If the aim of the invasion was to simply stop those things then Cyprus would not be occupied 30 years after. This shows that the whole protection of the TCs theory was just the excuse for Turkey and not her real reason.

And why did the coup and junta end in 1974? Due to Turkish intervention. This shows that Turkish intervention is not baseless. As for "excuse", let's assume you're right that Turkey was looking for a reason to come to Cyprus. Your guilt is still not little. You gave Turkey the ultimate reason (or excuse if you like) to come to Cyprus by organizing the coup. It's like leaving your car running with the windows rolled down and doors open and then when somebody jumps in your car and drives away with it, you go and complain that they stole your car...Well, duh!
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Postby garbitsch » Tue May 03, 2005 4:29 pm

The coup was aiming at unifying Cyprus with Greece. Is this my assumption???? I can't stand this anymore!
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Postby erolz » Tue May 03, 2005 4:52 pm

Piratis wrote: If Turkey didn't have her Tanks occuping Cyprus there wouldn't be a Cyprus problem today.


You mean TC today would have had their rights (as a community) under the consitution taken from them against their will and Cyprus would be part of Greece today and not even exist as an sovreign nation? Yep that would have 'solved' the cyprus problem, for there would be no Cyprus (as an independent state).

Piratis wrote:You are wrong. I simply do not waste my time with non-authorative sites, thats all. What they write is just another opinion, nothing more than that. Go to a university and make a research and then site as an important source an "angelfire" or "geocities" website and see what they will tell you.


Well I appologise if I am wrong. For me the value of something is in the thing itself and not where it resides. I found the articles I posted interesting and thought provoking and felt other might too - hence my posting of them.
One does wonder why you 'waste' your time here though. Nothing here could be considered 'authorititve' ;)
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Postby Piratis » Tue May 03, 2005 8:50 pm

. You gave Turkey the ultimate reason (or excuse if you like) to come to Cyprus by organizing the coup. It's like leaving your car running with the windows rolled down and doors open and then when somebody jumps in your car and drives away with it, you go and complain that they stole your car...Well, duh!


The excuse was given by a small minority of Cypriots and the illegal Junta of Greece. So yes, the excuse was there and Turkey took advantage of it.

But it was an excuse, not her main reason, otherwise Turkey would have restored order and leave and we would all be grateful and we would all call it "intervention". However is was an invasion that had as an aim to partition Cyprus, and the excuses are not enough to legalize this illegal action and its results.
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Postby insan » Tue May 03, 2005 9:27 pm

Piratis wrote:
. You gave Turkey the ultimate reason (or excuse if you like) to come to Cyprus by organizing the coup. It's like leaving your car running with the windows rolled down and doors open and then when somebody jumps in your car and drives away with it, you go and complain that they stole your car...Well, duh!


The excuse was given by a small minority of Cypriots and the illegal Junta of Greece. So yes, the excuse was there and Turkey took advantage of it.

But it was an excuse, not her main reason, otherwise Turkey would have restored order and leave and we would all be grateful and we would all call it "intervention". However is was an invasion that had as an aim to partition Cyprus, and the excuses are not enough to legalize this illegal action and its results.



What about Makarios and Makariosites who were exertin every effort to degrade TCs to a minority status? It's not only Grivasite Enosists which was provoking turkey to intervene. It was obvious that majority of GCs didn't like the 1960 constitution. Even Grivasites hadn't done the coup Makarios and Makariosites would have kept insisting on making TCs a minority in a GC state like all his successors insisted post-74. It would have been a waste of time for both Turkey and TCs reestablishing the state of affairs on 1960's constitution. do you remember that "small minority" which gave support to the coup? They were active until early 1978 and the security forces of so-called RoC couldn't stop them threatening President Makarios. That small minority of extremists, terrorists forced Makarios to declare amnesty for all of them. And majority of GCs gave consent to this amnesty.

From 1940s until 1974 both TCs and Turkey got sufficient experience to understand whether it was possible to reestablish the state of affairs according to 1960's constitution or not. Turkey and TCs did the best possible to stop the stupid, neverending bloodshed.

It is chrystal clear that GC ruling elite will never genuinely accept the political equality of TC community. They will always look ways to oppress, frustarte TCs in order to make them a minority. The real reason of they want to nullify the treaty of guarantee and treaty of alliance is this.

Keep struggling for what you believe. The mentality you have which takes its roots from global interests of Hellenism and retrospective animosity against Turks will again cause a big catastrophe in Cyprus. We will repeat the same story until Jesus comes.

Hope I'm wrong and we see a happy end in Cyprus. :)
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Postby garbitsch » Tue May 03, 2005 10:39 pm

The excuse was given by a small minority of Cypriots and the illegal Junta of Greece. So yes, the excuse was there and Turkey took advantage of it.

But it was an excuse, not her main reason, otherwise Turkey would have restored order and leave and we would all be grateful and we would all call it "intervention". However is was an invasion that had as an aim to partition Cyprus, and the excuses are not enough to legalize this illegal action and its results.


To be honest, that was the answer I was looking for. But when you say "Had Turkey didn't come, there would have no Cyprus problem" is a very biased assumption.
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Postby Piratis » Tue May 03, 2005 11:46 pm

But when you say "Had Turkey didn't come, there would have no Cyprus problem" is a very biased assumption.


First of all I would have no problem if Turkey (and UK for that matter) had intervened to do what they were supposed to: guarantee RoC. (not to destroy it!!)

If they did their job right, first with diplomacy (Turkey+UK+US diplomacy would have been more than enough if their real aim was not partition) and only after militarily if diplomacy didn't work, then there wouldn't be a problem for sure.
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Postby MicAtCyp » Tue May 03, 2005 11:49 pm

Insan wrote: Is there any ethnic groups on entire world that ruled a geographical area for 400 years than became a minority?


Of course there is. The Latins in Cyprus. The Turks in Greece.The Persians all over the Gulf area.The British in the USA....
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Postby insan » Wed May 04, 2005 12:30 am

MicAtCyp wrote:
Insan wrote: Is there any ethnic groups on entire world that ruled a geographical area for 400 years than became a minority?


Of course there is. The Latins in Cyprus. The Turks in Greece.The Persians all over the Gulf area.The British in the USA....


I meant in last 100 years... :wink:
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Postby TVSET » Wed May 04, 2005 1:13 am

insan wrote:
MicAtCyp wrote:
Insan wrote: Is there any ethnic groups on entire world that ruled a geographical area for 400 years than became a minority?


Of course there is. The Latins in Cyprus. The Turks in Greece.The Persians all over the Gulf area.The British in the USA....


I meant in last 100 years... :wink:


Eh, Germans? :)
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