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[insan]

And yes they special rights for a minority are granted under the 1960 constitution.

Being 1/4 of the population in a country which for more than 400 years ruled by TCs, does not make TC community a minority. In 1960 constitution equal legislative and judicial rights given to two major communities of Cyprus. Like it or not, this is the fact.

[Piratis]

If the argument is about democratic principals then examples from ANY democratic system have a relevance.

No. What would be relevant is democratic systems in countries and the power sharing between majority/minorities in other multi ethnic countries.

There are many relevant examples. Turks in Bulgaria is the most relevant one. We are again talking about a Turkish minority in a country that appeared during the Ottoman ruling of this country. Sure, there are some differences, but this is definitely the most relevant case.

Will you argue that the relationship between UK and Lithuania within EU is more relevant to Cyprus than is the case between the Bulgarian majority and the Turkish minority in Bulgaria?

[Piratis]

Being 1/4 of the population in a country which for more than 400 years ruled by TCs, does not make TC community a minority

The definition of ethnic minority for Insan again:

In sociology and in voting theory, a minority is a sub-group that forms less than half of the population, and — as a rule — is outnumbered by at least one other sub-group. (That is, it does not form either a majority or a plurality.) This can be used to categorize people of a different language, nationality, religion, culture, lifestyle or any characteristic, provided these people are accepted as part of the referent group.

Which part of the above doesn't fit the case of TCs?

Arguing that TCs are not an ethnic minority is absolutely ridiculous

[erolz]

No. What would be relevant is democratic systems in countries and the power sharing between majority/minorities in other multi ethnic countries.

I will try this once more and type it slowly in the hope that helps you understand what I am saying.

If what you wish to talk about is the application of democratic principals in countires then yes relevant comparisions should be made with other countries (as I frequently do). However if you wish to argue about democratic principals as fundamental principals - as you often do - then what becomes relevant is examples of any democratic system - because that's what fundamental principals mean - they apply to cases.

Will you argue that the relationship between UK and Lithuania within EU is more relevant to Cyprus than is the case between the Bulgarian majority and the Turkish minority in Bulgaria?

It depends what we are discussing. If you wish to discuss fundamental democratic principals then either is relevant. If you wish to discuss the application of democracy within Cyprus then the later is a more relvant comparission than the former. However before you shout at me 'do you accept then the system in Bulgaria for TC yes or no' I would point out that whilst it is more relevant than the UK Lithuianan example that does not mean it is the only relevant factor. Was the modern state of Bulgaria founded on the principal of equality of the T community there and the Bulgarian community - this to me is a relvant factor when considering what kind of application of democracy we should have inm Cyprus. There are other factors too.

[garbitsch]

Being 1/4 of the population in a country which for more than 400 years ruled by TCs, does not make TC community a minority

The definition of ethnic minority for Insan again:

In sociology and in voting theory, a minority is a sub-group that forms less than half of the population, and — as a rule — is outnumbered by at least one other sub-group. (That is, it does not form either a majority or a plurality.) This can be used to categorize people of a different language, nationality, religion, culture, lifestyle or any characteristic, provided these people are accepted as part of the referent group.

Which part of the above doesn't fit the case of TCs?

Arguing that TCs are not an ethnic minority is absolutely ridiculous

Why don't you write down the rest of the definition of "minority" Mr. Biased?

Some minorities are so relatively large or historically or otherwise important that the system is set up in a way to ensure complete equality. As an example, the former Yugoslav republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina recognizes the three main nations, none of which constitute a numerical majority, as constitutive nations, see nations of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

http://www.branica.com/wwwinfo/index.ph ... rity_group

[insan]

Being 1/4 of the population in a country which for more than 400 years ruled by TCs, does not make TC community a minority

The definition of ethnic minority for Insan again:

In sociology and in voting theory, a minority is a sub-group that forms less than half of the population, and — as a rule — is outnumbered by at least one other sub-group. (That is, it does not form either a majority or a plurality.) This can be used to categorize people of a different language, nationality, religion, culture, lifestyle or any characteristic, provided these people are accepted as part of the referent group.

Which part of the above doesn't fit the case of TCs?

Arguing that TCs are not an ethnic minority is absolutely ridiculous

It does not apply to the co-founders of a state. TCs didn't come to Cyprus after the establishment of RoC.

[garbitsch]

Can't find any "Turks in Cyprus" in this list:

http://www.eurominority.org/version/eng ... e-list.asp

[Piratis]

none of which constitute a numerical majority

This is not the case in Cyprus. In Cyprus there is a clear majority.

I already said the case of Turks in Bulgaria that is the most relevant case.

There are a ton of countries with ethnic minorities, probably most, and in many cases the minorities are as big or even biger than the case of TCs. (kurds in Turkey, Russians in Latvia etc).

In any case the Bosnia example is more relevant than EU. However I hope you will admit that taking Bosnia as a model sounds funny to say the least

[magikthrill]

Why don't you write down the rest of the definition of "minority" Mr. Biased?

Some minorities are so relatively large or historically or otherwise important that the system is set up in a way to ensure complete equality. As an example, the former Yugoslav republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina recognizes the three main nations, none of which constitute a numerical majority, as constitutive nations, see nations of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

stressing:
none of which constitute a numerical majority

either way, regardless of how you look at the definition, it applies to TCs.

I am not discussing any implications that this may have. I am just stating a fact. I wouldnt' care to stress on it so much if you weren't such a douche bag insan.

[garbitsch]

"relatively large or historically or otherwise important "

If you are not satisfied with the "relatively large" phrase, follow the others mate --> historically or otherwise important.