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[uzan]

PIRATES,I believe freedom of speech, if you dont believe feel free to go another forum which %50,%50 if you can find one.

[Piratis]

So obviously TCs accept 50%-50% only when it suits them.

Freedom of speach is no more important than voting rights for citizens. And they insist that they should have 4.5 times more voting power than GCs. Double standards as usual.

[erolz]

So obviously TCs accept 50%-50% only when it suits them.

Freedom of speach is no more important than voting rights for citizens. And they insist that they should have 4.5 times more voting power than GCs. Double standards as usual.

I had assume you were being humorous in this thread. It now appears that you are actually serious!

You argument and whole premis is so flawed it is har to know where to start. Would you seek to limit how much Euro MP's could talk in the EUropena Parliament based on the relative sizes of the countries they were elected from? The very idea is madness and totaly unrelated to systems of political representation and a gross perversion of the very concept and ideal of free speech.

Political representation and the various forms of it are about 'one' person politicaly represnting the view of the many from the consitutinecy that elected them. Free speech is about an indivudals right to express themselves. The two things are totaly different and the very idea that if political represntation ratios must be applied to 'free speech' ratios (even the concept of a free speech ratio is an oxymoron) is just stupid.

However if you must have it your way then we are all in the EU (north and South) - you as a GC represent about 1/60th of the EU population as me as a UK citizen - so you should only be allowed to post here 1/60th as much as me - and you are way over your quota - so time for you to shut up until my post count reaches around 132000.

All this tread shows Piratis is not TC hypocrasy but shows instead the real lengths you will go to, how much you can and will twist logic and common sense in the persuit of your goal of painting TC as 'hypocritical' people. The great philisophical and logical thinkers of Greek antiquity must spinning in their graves at your contorsions.

[magikthrill]

And by not restricting the freedom of movement, you are not stabilizing either federation or confederation but you are creating a TC minority in a GC state.

This minority can have special political rights as in the 1960 constitution This way the ultimate demands of TCs and GCs.

Imagine a mixed federation with no restrictions on anything. Everyone has full human rights. The number of GC citizens of so-called TC constituent state reached 450.000 in 15 years and number of TC citizens of TCCS reached 350.000.

Senate of GCCS composes of 21 GCs+3 TCs
Senate of TCCS composes of 15 GCs+9 TCs

Political structure based on political equality of two component states instead of political equality of two communities.

Good so we both agree that it is ridiculous to have bizonality.

Here it is: The so-called bi-communal Federal Republic of Cyprus. Is this waht you want? If so, why don't you tell it directly? But do know that it does not make any sence to overwhelming majority of TCs.

It's what I believe is most fair. The "overwhelming majority" of TCs who do not wish such a system are those who have obviously been brainwashed in their isolated world.

[Piratis]

TCs want 50% only when it suits them.
When it is against their interests it is ridiculous to talk about 50%. When it is for their interests they don't see that is equally ridiculous to ask for 50%.

If EU and a country can be compared, then so is voting power VS posting in this forum. You are the one who chooses to compare apples and oranges, you want exclusive rights for it?

Otherwise lets compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges.

Compare the TC 18% minority in Cyprus with ANY other ethnic minority in any other country in the world that you want.

And before you make your absolutely ridiculous claim that TCs are not an ethnic minority here is the definition again:

In sociology and in voting theory, a minority is a sub-group that forms less than half of the population, and — as a rule — is outnumbered by at least one other sub-group. (That is, it does not form either a majority or a plurality.) This can be used to categorize people of a different language, nationality, religion, culture, lifestyle or any characteristic, provided these people are accepted as part of the referent group.

[insan]

This minority can have special political rights as in the 1960 constitution This way the ultimate demands of TCs and GCs.

The fact is that TCs were politically equal state partner of GC community in the 1960 constitution. TC vp had all the rights the P had. TCs had political equality on judicial matters as well. As long as TC community is seen as a minority, partition will be the only option for TC community.

[insan]

TCs want 50% only when it suits them.
When it is against their interests it is ridiculous to talk about 50%. When it is for their interests they don't see that is equally ridiculous to ask for 50%.

I'm 100% sure of that restricted freedom of speech wouldn't suit GC community other than some ridicilous guys like you.

[magikthrill]

The fact is that TCs were politically equal state partner of GC community in the 1960 constitution. TC vp had all the rights the P had. TCs had political equality on judicial matters as well. As long as TC community is seen as a minority, partition will be the only option for TC community.

ok so what is your problem with a 1960 constitution or any similar bicommunal arrangement (ie a more updated version)

[insan]

The fact is that TCs were politically equal state partner of GC community in the 1960 constitution. TC vp had all the rights the P had. TCs had political equality on judicial matters as well. As long as TC community is seen as a minority, partition will be the only option for TC community.

ok so what is your problem with a 1960 constitution or any similar bicommunal arrangement (ie a more updated version)

The problem is your mentality and neverending aspiration to degrade TCs to a minority status. It is quite obvious but you still ask what is the problem with it. Negotiating the solution of Cyprus problem with someone who has a mentality like yours is a huge waste of time. you still think that TCs were a minority according to 1960 constitution.

[magikthrill]

The problem is your mentality and neverending aspiration to degrade TCs to a minority status. It is quite obvious but you still ask what is the problem with it. Negotiating the solution of Cyprus problem with someone who has a mentality like yours is a huge waste of time. you still think that TCs were a minority according to 1960 constitution.

Where are you getting this from you dillusional man? When did i say I thought TCs were a minority under the 1960 cosntitution and when did I wish to degrade TCs to a minority status?

You are the one who wishes to restrict where a citizen can live in his/her own country which is also a form of degradation.