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[Viewpoint]

So no one blames the Turkish Cypriots? so dont you think its time to remove the isolation just as the EU supports.

[Brittania]

So no one blames the Turkish Cypriots? so dont you think its time to remove the isolation just as the EU supports.

Whats the difference between a tc and a turk?

[Viewpoint]

So no one blames the Turkish Cypriots? so dont you think its time to remove the isolation just as the EU supports.

Whats the difference between a tc and a turk?

We are indigenous to Cyprus Turks are not.

[Tim Drayton]

So no one blames the Turkish Cypriots? so dont you think its time to remove the isolation just as the EU supports.

Whats the difference between a tc and a turk?

Over the centuries Turkish-speaking people on Cyprus have developed their own unique cultural identity, and perceive themselves to be different from mainland Turks. Under the Zurich and London agreements, Turkish Cypriots also became citizens of the Republic of Cyprus, while mainland Turks are citizens of the Republic of Turkey. Hence the distinction drawn between Turks and Turkish Cypriots.

[emassroua]

don't you think you should add the United State Of America as a part of the Cyprus problem ??

[soyer]

don't you think you should add the United State Of America as a part of the Cyprus problem ??

No America should not be on that list because Cyprus problem start long before America involvement in to Cyprus affairs ( English did ). Later 21/04/1967 when Makarios support King Constantine and his government against American back Greek Junta in addition starting close relationship with Soviet bloc countrys pull Americans into Cyprus future plans. Truth is America can be blame for G/Cs suffering, but not for Cyprus problems and T/Cs suffering which began long before.

[emassroua]

that was 35 years ago... but now any solution should be blessed by the United State ...& wish the United State has any benefits from Peace in Cyprus .... so everything will move fast ...

[Piratis]

I tend to go along with Halil on this one. We are only too happy to lay the blame on the "others" for our misfortunes. We simply did not have the enlightened leaders that could lead the people and we all fell victims to populists crying for the impossible.

It was a cardinal sin for any Greek Cypriot in the 50's to denounce "enosis" and you could possibly lose your life for this, unless you emigrated. It was the same for Turkish Cypriots who could not disagree with TMT without paying a hefty price for it.

We have ourselves to blame and nobody else. Yet, what really annoys me is that we are ready to make the same mistakes today, behaving as though we have learned nothing from the past.

So basically you are saying that all the peoples that fall victims of colonialism and the expansionism of colonial empires they should blame themselves for the pain and destruction others brought to their lands by invading and enslaving them?

We must be living in a world of idiots then:
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And the "smart" ones that invaded, killed, oppressed and enslaved others are innocent, while the ones to be blamed are their victims!

So basically you expected half million Cypriots who were kept mostly uneducated by their Colonial rulers, to somehow outsmart two colonial powers with combined population of over 100 million, powerful armies, and institutions going back 100s of years?

The fact is that Cyprus is very small to properly defend itself, and in a very strategic location. Maybe we made some tactical mistakes, but who doesn't? We tried all possible peaceful means to gain our freedom (UN, asking for democratic referendum etc), but the British kept denying everything to us. And if you will claim that what was wrong was our last resort, the armed struggle against the colonialists, then explain to me why India a country much more powerful than Cyprus, that with Gandhi choose a totally peaceful struggle against the Colonialists, and the colonialists still managed to divide them?


The recipe of "divide and rule" is very simple and could be applied regardless of what we did (apart from accepting to be their slaves for ever) : Take one group of people, usually some ethnic minority, and offer to them a lot of gains on the loss of the majority if that minority collaborated with them. The human greediness in the people of those minorities always makes them to side with the colonialists, regardless of what the majority does.

[halil]

same tango started again .....

1960 ................ ROC....................1963-1974 Brainless in action............

!974............2008 Brainless did not understand it yet

[Piratis]

Had the GC community decided against acting on the idea of Enosis there would never have been a problem in Cyprus, its very simple. All roads lead back to the fact that GC's had a fantasy which they tried to enact and it backfired terribly for them.

The idea of "enosis" was the same idea that all Greeks had in all Hellenic islands and territories that were under foreign rule. Actually is the same idea that all those nations that were under a foreign empire had: To liberate themselves and create their own free state.

This idea started in Cyprus at exactly the same time it started in all other Hellenic territories:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

So are you now going to tell me that the "problem" was that Cypriots, along with the rest of Greeks and every other Nation under some oppressive empire, wanted their freedom and self-determination?

Are you going to tell me that there was no problem that Cypriots were the slaves of Turks and later the British, but the problem was that Cypriots wanted their freedom? So it was fine and no problem for Cyprus to be under Turkish and British empires against the will of Cypriots, but it was not fine and a problem if Cyprus was part of a free Greek state which is what the overwhelming majority of Cypriots themselves wanted?

Who is responsible for the Cyprus problem are those foreign powers that wanted and continue to want to impose their rule over our island and keep their troops here. That has always been our problem, and our (Cypriots) problem is the Cyprus Problem.

The Cyprus problem will be solved only when all foreign troops leave from our island and abandon their efforts to exercise control over Cyprus, either by direct military force, or by using the TC minority on the island to deny to the Cypriot people democracy and human rights.

Democracy for whom? dont you mean democracy for GCs so they can do whatever they wish to turn this island into a Greek island with or without its TC population.

Democracy as it factions in all other countries. In Turkey do they ask separetely their ethnic minorities about what Turkey should do? And why did the Turks named Asia Minor as "Turkey" when 20% of the population are not Turks? Did they ask them if they agreed? (actually when the Turks declared Asia Minor as Turkey, the minorities there where even more numerous)

Cyprus has been a Hellenic island for 1000s of years. Because your minority was forcefully created on our island some time ago this doesn't mean it stopped being Hellenic. The Ottomans did the same with almost all territories they once occupied. So what? If you didn't like what Cyprus is and the Cypriots, then you shouldn't have come to our island in the first place.

We have no problem with your minority staying on this island and enjoying your human and democratic rights like a 100% equal Cypriot and EU citizens. but you have no right to undemocratically force your will on Cyprus any more. We are not living in the era of the Ottoman empire.

Does Switzerland or Belgium have democracy, there are many versions throughout the world but you problem is sharing on an equal footing, you still have problems accepting we are indigenous on this island and feel that being here longer should give you the right to steam roll over us and create a GC state run by GCs, that will never happen the sooner you realize this the better.

In Belgium and Switzerland what you have are separate cantons/states. This separation of the population was somehting that preexisted the states, it was not something created by illegal means of invasion and ethnic cleansing. What you have to realize is that the 80 of the population of north Cyprus are Greek Cypriots and you can not have a separate state on land that belongs by 80% to us.