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[Piratis]

Had the GC community decided against acting on the idea of Enosis there would never have been a problem in Cyprus, its very simple. All roads lead back to the fact that GC's had a fantasy which they tried to enact and it backfired terribly for them.

The idea of "enosis" was the same idea that all Greeks had in all Hellenic islands and territories that were under foreign rule. Actually is the same idea that all those nations that were under a foreign empire had: To liberate themselves and create their own free state.

This idea started in Cyprus at exactly the same time it started in all other Hellenic territories:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

So are you now going to tell me that the "problem" was that Cypriots, along with the rest of Greeks and every other Nation under some oppressive empire, wanted their freedom and self-determination?

Are you going to tell me that there was no problem that Cypriots were the slaves of Turks and later the British, but the problem was that Cypriots wanted their freedom? So it was fine and no problem for Cyprus to be under Turkish and British empires against the will of Cypriots, but it was not fine and a problem if Cyprus was part of a free Greek state which is what the overwhelming majority of Cypriots themselves wanted?

Who is responsible for the Cyprus problem are those foreign powers that wanted and continue to want to impose their rule over our island and keep their troops here. That has always been our problem, and our (Cypriots) problem is the Cyprus Problem.

The Cyprus problem will be solved only when all foreign troops leave from our island and abandon their efforts to exercise control over Cyprus, either by direct military force, or by using the TC minority on the island to deny to the Cypriot people democracy and human rights.

Democracy for whom? dont you mean democracy for GCs so they can do whatever they wish to turn this island into a Greek island with or without its TC population.

Democracy as it factions in all other countries. In Turkey do they ask separetely their ethnic minorities about what Turkey should do? And why did the Turks named Asia Minor as "Turkey" when 20% of the population are not Turks? Did they ask them if they agreed? (actually when the Turks declared Asia Minor as Turkey, the minorities there where even more numerous)

Cyprus has been a Hellenic island for 1000s of years. Because your minority was forcefully created on our island some time ago this doesn't mean it stopped being Hellenic. The Ottomans did the same with almost all territories they once occupied. So what? If you didn't like what Cyprus is and the Cypriots, then you shouldn't have come to our island in the first place.

We have no problem with your minority staying on this island and enjoying your human and democratic rights like a 100% equal Cypriot and EU citizens. but you have no right to undemocratically force your will on Cyprus any more. We are not living in the era of the Ottoman empire.

[repulsewarrior]

Piratis, you are absolutely correct. VP has a valid point as well. It is up to us to reconsider how we will take advantage of this moment in time, where we must choose, so that as a member of the Family of Man, we can demonstrate our commitment to Human Betterment. How do we secure for ourselves a future where as this island's dwellers, we can remain its Stewards, in a Modern Age where we have Freewill. Blame has little to do with this issue in this context. History is important though, and to deny it is to invite more of the same.

[Piratis]

Piratis, you are absolutely correct. VP has a valid point as well. It is up to us to reconsider how we will take advantage of this moment in time, where we must choose, so that as a member of the Family of Man, we can demonstrate our commitment to Human Betterment. How do we secure for ourselves a future where as this island's dwellers, we can remain its Stewards, in a Modern Age where we have Freewill. Blame has little to do with this issue in this context. History is important though, and to deny it is to invite more of the same.

Thats exactly the problem repulsewarrior. UK and Turkey (with USA in the background) do not want Cypriots to democratically rule their own island because they want to control Cyprus and maintain their troops on it.

[halil]

I did'nt vote .

we all TC's and GCs has got responsible for Cyprus problem .

İf we were honest and we were caring about Cyprus .we wouldn't listen what others were saying .We wouldn't take our guns and open frontiers .
we wouldn't listen what our leaders were saying . we wouldn't support EOKA or TMT .

İt is our fault and today we are paying for it .

İ hope we can get good lessones from our mistakes .

Don't blame the others .

İt's all our fault .........................................................

I support your post Halil.

thanks Kikapu ,
have a look at the below arguments again still finding excuses . İt is our fault . don't blame others .God gave us brain .

[Piratis]

İt is our fault . don't blame others .God gave us brain .

Unfortunately he didn't give us enough weapons and power to protect our island from foreign invasions. Thats the problem.

It is ridiculous blaming Cypriots because the British and Turks expanded against our island in order to build their empires, and they still insist to maintain their troops here and enforce their control.

[soyer]

"When the armed struggle started, the British had at their disposal thousands of men and could even increase their existing numbers to put down the EOKA struggle. This they did not do, but they formed instead the well known Auxiliary
Corps. The ordinary Turkish Cypriots, who did not realize where the British were leading them (since their leadership did not warn them, rather it encouraged them), hastened to reinforce this Auxiliary Corps thinking only of securing
a living. Thus, the Greek Cypriots, who thought that they were waging a holy struggle against the British, found themselves facing the Turkish Cypriots. In this way
the British started submitting to the Turkish community their plans for partition."

[repulsewarrior]

ach!...soyer, i kiss you! thank-you. this is very close in my opinion. good observation.

[repulsewarrior]

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr ... ref=slogin

from the 19th century...
...wish I could cut and paste this, but it is interesting to read.

[Bananiot]

I tend to go along with Halil on this one. We are only too happy to lay the blame on the "others" for our misfortunes. We simply did not have the enlightened leaders that could lead the people and we all fell victims to populists crying for the impossible.

It was a cardinal sin for any Greek Cypriot in the 50's to denounce "enosis" and you could possibly lose your life for this, unless you emigrated. It was the same for Turkish Cypriots who could not disagree with TMT without paying a hefty price for it.

We have ourselves to blame and nobody else. Yet, what really annoys me is that we are ready to make the same mistakes today, behaving as though we have learned nothing from the past.

[Viewpoint]

Had the GC community decided against acting on the idea of Enosis there would never have been a problem in Cyprus, its very simple. All roads lead back to the fact that GC's had a fantasy which they tried to enact and it backfired terribly for them.

The idea of "enosis" was the same idea that all Greeks had in all Hellenic islands and territories that were under foreign rule. Actually is the same idea that all those nations that were under a foreign empire had: To liberate themselves and create their own free state.

This idea started in Cyprus at exactly the same time it started in all other Hellenic territories:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

So are you now going to tell me that the "problem" was that Cypriots, along with the rest of Greeks and every other Nation under some oppressive empire, wanted their freedom and self-determination?

Are you going to tell me that there was no problem that Cypriots were the slaves of Turks and later the British, but the problem was that Cypriots wanted their freedom? So it was fine and no problem for Cyprus to be under Turkish and British empires against the will of Cypriots, but it was not fine and a problem if Cyprus was part of a free Greek state which is what the overwhelming majority of Cypriots themselves wanted?

Who is responsible for the Cyprus problem are those foreign powers that wanted and continue to want to impose their rule over our island and keep their troops here. That has always been our problem, and our (Cypriots) problem is the Cyprus Problem.

The Cyprus problem will be solved only when all foreign troops leave from our island and abandon their efforts to exercise control over Cyprus, either by direct military force, or by using the TC minority on the island to deny to the Cypriot people democracy and human rights.

Democracy for whom? dont you mean democracy for GCs so they can do whatever they wish to turn this island into a Greek island with or without its TC population.

Democracy as it factions in all other countries. In Turkey do they ask separetely their ethnic minorities about what Turkey should do? And why did the Turks named Asia Minor as "Turkey" when 20% of the population are not Turks? Did they ask them if they agreed? (actually when the Turks declared Asia Minor as Turkey, the minorities there where even more numerous)

Cyprus has been a Hellenic island for 1000s of years. Because your minority was forcefully created on our island some time ago this doesn't mean it stopped being Hellenic. The Ottomans did the same with almost all territories they once occupied. So what? If you didn't like what Cyprus is and the Cypriots, then you shouldn't have come to our island in the first place.

We have no problem with your minority staying on this island and enjoying your human and democratic rights like a 100% equal Cypriot and EU citizens. but you have no right to undemocratically force your will on Cyprus any more. We are not living in the era of the Ottoman empire.

Does Switzerland or Belgium have democracy, there are many versions throughout the world but you problem is sharing on an equal footing, you still have problems accepting we are indigenous on this island and feel that being here longer should give you the right to steam roll over us and create a GC state run by GCs, that will never happen the sooner you realize this the better.