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[Viewpoint]

Does that mean you acknowledge that I have been speaking on behalf of the majority of TCs?

Nope, I acknowledged that you THINK you've been talking on behalf of the majority of tc's.

Damn as if I cared

[denizaksulu]

Kiks and VP argue so much, just like husband and wife. Those two should get married. They would get on like a house on fire.

Really Deniz, is that what Husbands and Wives do.??

Good thing I only have a Girlfriend then.!

Listen Deniz, you can't blame for trying to teach an "old dog" new tricks, can you.??

God knows it is hard work. It would be so much easier just to "put him down" and get another one, but I still think he has potential in becoming obedient yet, therefore onwards with the training of simple tricks for now.

He'll get it one of these days, hopefully before arthritis set in of course, or else he won't be able to lift his leg to even take a piss let alone lifting anything else.

Well, it is incessant, to say the least. At the beginning it was enjoyable. Getting two diametrically opposite views. As it goes on the repetitiousness gets a bit (only a bit) stale. Never boring. I give full credit to both of you for your stamina. My God, the Cyprus needs people like you(plural).

Deniz cant you see how sick this man is no wonder hes not married who would want to sign away their sanity, I'm sure any marriages he has had have ended in divorce, he makes things up then turns around and believes his own lies using verbal diarrhea to try and cover up the lies he spouts out. I can be just as "colourful" as Kifeas but where would it take a slanging match as you can see he uses this camouflage to hide insults which he has aimed at many on this forum who now don't even give him the time of day let alone respond to his meaningless posts about a people he knows nothing about.

Both of you have made valid points, but your statement regarding marriages are disappointing. I am on my third marriage. So this comment is quite irrelevant.

Both of you are over zealous in your arguments.

We have need of a 'Garbalogist' to sort some of the comments out. And hell no, I am not qualified for the 'garbologist' post. I am the worst offender.

There has to reasons for breakdown of a marriage and Kikapu's are clearly because of his psychopathic tendencies revealed for all to read on this forum.

Thats my point VP. I have been married three times. Does that make me Psychotic. I dont think so. Dizzy yes. Psychotic no.

Yours is not clear but Kikapus is clear for everyone to see, who would want to marry or stay married to a cuckoo?

VP, you have been over complimentary with your compliments.

He can't afford to alienate anymore TC's Deniz. He's in danger of not speaking on behalf of the majority as it is.

DT, I am confused as to who is (in your opinion ) alienating more TCs. I dont think its VP. But that does not necessarily mean I am in agreement with him 100%. Kiks with his idealism would be alienating TCs more. From where I stand, Kiks will have trouble getting a majority vote in the north, whereas VP would. I would like to see a point where their ideas would merge, but that seems a long way away. They do have points where this merger is quite possible.

[DT.]

The problem is you're thinking of these 2 arguing in ethnic terms. VP may be arguing ethnically but Kiks is arguing on principle. He's the type of person that would get a majority vote from all cypriots not just tc's which is a lot more important to this island. Kiks for President.

[denizaksulu]

The problem is you're thinking of these 2 arguing in ethnic terms. VP may be arguing ethnically but Kiks is arguing on principle. He's the type of person that would get a majority vote from all cypriots not just tc's which is a lot more important to this island. Kiks for President.

Perhaps, but in your post you mentioned TCs and not Cypriots.

[DT.]

The problem is you're thinking of these 2 arguing in ethnic terms. VP may be arguing ethnically but Kiks is arguing on principle. He's the type of person that would get a majority vote from all cypriots not just tc's which is a lot more important to this island. Kiks for President.

Perhaps, but in your post you mentioned TCs and not Cypriots.

VP has never wanted to have anything to do with cypriots. Just Turks and TC's.

"I do not wish my children to grow up hearing greek being spoken" I believe was one of his more famous lines.

[denizaksulu]

The problem is you're thinking of these 2 arguing in ethnic terms. VP may be arguing ethnically but Kiks is arguing on principle. He's the type of person that would get a majority vote from all cypriots not just tc's which is a lot more important to this island. Kiks for President.

Perhaps, but in your post you mentioned TCs and not Cypriots.

VP has never wanted to have anything to do with cypriots. Just Turks and TC's.

"I do not wish my children to grow up hearing greek being spoken" I believe was one of his more famous lines.

That is where VP has a problem. Cyprus is for Cypriots, whatever language they wish to speak. As Cypriotswe should be able to talk in any Cypriot language, Turkish, Greek, Armenian or Maronite. All this failing we can talk in English. Except the settlers of course.

[Viewpoint]

The problem is you're thinking of these 2 arguing in ethnic terms. VP may be arguing ethnically but Kiks is arguing on principle. He's the type of person that would get a majority vote from all cypriots not just tc's which is a lot more important to this island. Kiks for President.

He would have problems getting 10% of the vote from TCs, his ideas leave us exposed to GC domination and he put forward no valid arguments as to what TCs should demand in a solution based on past experience and current concerns and fears, just like other GCs he ignores them thinking they will go away.

[Viewpoint]

The problem is you're thinking of these 2 arguing in ethnic terms. VP may be arguing ethnically but Kiks is arguing on principle. He's the type of person that would get a majority vote from all cypriots not just tc's which is a lot more important to this island. Kiks for President.

Perhaps, but in your post you mentioned TCs and not Cypriots.

VP has never wanted to have anything to do with cypriots. Just Turks and TC's.

"I do not wish my children to grow up hearing greek being spoken" I believe was one of his more famous lines.

Get it right I said predominantly Greek I think both sides should have the choice to choose to reside in a state where the language is predominantly Turkish or Greek, thats one of the reasons why BBF is important to TCs.

[repulsewarrior]

In this case Judgement, without Judge Jury and Executioners, this is the problem, VP. Indeed it is not enough, and the credibility of your "State" is neither demonstrated nor bettered by the ignorance. If you love this "country" you call the KKTC, this is important. You have and had the opportunity to better yourselves, and to show your esteem for the word we call Freedom, instead the "dogs" that died haunt you as Humans. Things never stay the way they are, and this Problem will not remain the same. Either way VP you must take a look at yourself, if you believe that you reflect a common thought, having the support of other members, to me you are not the wiley old crow for nothing, you have the book. just beyond the dogma though is a change which if it is not called for, secures the corruption that allows for journalists to be murdered, and the glory that is Turkey to be held Internationally disdained. Where is in this matter, the Rule of Law, abrogated to the ECHR, don't you take that as incompetance, at a Governmental level. Denktash was there? no one called for a demonstration of force? riot police, buses, more police than the expected demonstrators...why?
did someone have to die? ...didn't matter who, save a lot of money this way, simple brutality, it always works, this was the set up, it seems with so few in authority, capable of something better, (and more to be in complete control,) this was not demonstrated, it is a failing we all regret; as a militant, VP you must fight this for there to be a shine.

...do me a favour, reread the Manifesto and make a comment. I would like to know how it would effect/affect you personally.

reconsider enclaves and suggest to me where these communities can be most useful to us all, in the north and the south. (boy...that's asking alot), but tell me something else about enclaves other than the "bad" memories, and that these communities may not be successful. Think of them rationally, give me your help.

Forget about enclaves. I have images of 'Reservations' in mind. (American Indian style)

you are not using your imagination deniz. beyond the dogma..., in the future, think how the repopulation of this island benefits both of our survival, with about fifteen enclaves, in a manner where in the future as communities their distinction will add to the quality of choices their society can support. This divesity of "Turks" and "Greeks" will make the Cypriot culture, us as this island's dwellers one of the most socialised people in the world. It adds to our security, in that there is no longer a "border", it recognises the equality of two Jurisdictions where a Majority can demonstrate as Persons to their Minorities an inclusivity within their own frontiers, which when governed by a Federal authority that is strong because it is free of a demographic bias, it can set the standards, to represent us as Sovereign over the island, and to defend us and our Individual Rights, as its people.

Money may solve the problems of the displaced as Individuals. And in any case their Individual Rights cannot be ignored. However, our sense of community, and the sharing it involved was destroyed. No sense of blame can mask the need for reconcilliation, if this Hertance important to all Mankind (as well as ourselves) is to be saved. Cyprus is an island after all. Our choice will define our identity as Humans, having been given this choice by the rest of the world, it is our opportunity to add to this canvas.

...choose wisely, I say, embrace a change where the future can be a sacrafice that is worth something more.

...Things cannot stay the same.

...enclaves, is not a dirty word. it is just a word. It merely defines geography, only "we" can make it "dirty" if we choose to.

VP, I hope that you too, will answer my question with your serious consideration as well.

[Viewpoint]

In this case Judgement, without Judge Jury and Executioners, this is the problem, VP. Indeed it is not enough, and the credibility of your "State" is neither demonstrated nor bettered by the ignorance. If you love this "country" you call the KKTC, this is important. You have and had the opportunity to better yourselves, and to show your esteem for the word we call Freedom, instead the "dogs" that died haunt you as Humans. Things never stay the way they are, and this Problem will not remain the same. Either way VP you must take a look at yourself, if you believe that you reflect a common thought, having the support of other members, to me you are not the wiley old crow for nothing, you have the book. just beyond the dogma though is a change which if it is not called for, secures the corruption that allows for journalists to be murdered, and the glory that is Turkey to be held Internationally disdained. Where is in this matter, the Rule of Law, abrogated to the ECHR, don't you take that as incompetance, at a Governmental level. Denktash was there? no one called for a demonstration of force? riot police, buses, more police than the expected demonstrators...why?
did someone have to die? ...didn't matter who, save a lot of money this way, simple brutality, it always works, this was the set up, it seems with so few in authority, capable of something better, (and more to be in complete control,) this was not demonstrated, it is a failing we all regret; as a militant, VP you must fight this for there to be a shine.

...do me a favour, reread the Manifesto and make a comment. I would like to know how it would effect/affect you personally.

reconsider enclaves and suggest to me where these communities can be most useful to us all, in the north and the south. (boy...that's asking alot), but tell me something else about enclaves other than the "bad" memories, and that these communities may not be successful. Think of them rationally, give me your help.

Forget about enclaves. I have images of 'Reservations' in mind. (American Indian style)

you are not using your imagination deniz. beyond the dogma..., in the future, think how the repopulation of this island benefits both of our survival, with about fifteen enclaves, in a manner where in the future as communities their distinction will add to the quality of choices their society can support. This divesity of "Turks" and "Greeks" will make the Cypriot culture, us as this island's dwellers one of the most socialised people in the world. It adds to our security, in that there is no longer a "border", it recognises the equality of two Jurisdictions where a Majority can demonstrate as Persons to their Minorities an inclusivity within their own frontiers, which when governed by a Federal authority that is strong because it is free of a demographic bias, it can set the standards, to represent us as Sovereign over the island, and to defend us and our Individual Rights, as its people.

Money may solve the problems of the displaced as Individuals. And in any case their Individual Rights cannot be ignored. However, our sense of community, and the sharing it involved was destroyed. No sense of blame can mask the need for reconcilliation, if this Hertance important to all Mankind (as well as ourselves) is to be saved. Cyprus is an island after all. Our choice will define our identity as Humans, having been given this choice by the rest of the world, it is our opportunity to add to this canvas.

...choose wisely, I say, embrace a change where the future can be a sacrafice that is worth something more.

...Things cannot stay the same.

...enclaves, is not a dirty word. it is just a word. It merely defines geography, only "we" can make it "dirty" if we choose to.

VP, I hope that you too, will answer my question with your serious consideration as well.

I have considered it before and I have stated that I am against cantons, ghettos and enclaves surrounded by the other community. We have to have clear cut boarders like today so that we all know exactly where we stand and where one side cannot squeeze the other to death as was experienced in the 1960s by the TC community. Those are times that we would rather forget as they are stained with GC desire to starve us into submission which we will never return to, noway.