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[Kikapu]

Your trying to provoke in order to get an answer this is more a reflection of your own inadaquecy to influence people as they do not value your opinion or input as you are 100% biased towards the GCs.

Therefore you have no BALLS to answer my question, but instead you want to disguise your inadequacies by using your old tired "your GC point of view" remarks to me which no one else views it as such, so you better find something else to "beat the drums with". I had asked you a straight forward question that had nothing to do with politics, but just you as a Human Being.

I would have avoided being in that situation like the plague as I could easily anticipate the danger I would be putting myself in.

You are still not answering the question. Jesus VP, how many times do I need to repeat the same damn question for you.??

Try reading my response and taking it in, its an answer to your question the second question was not for me but BigAl.

I've read your NO ANSWER answer VP, therefore my answer to you stands as is.!!

Thats all you are going to get and deserve.

I expected no more from a man without BALLS to tell us the truth.

Once again, I rest my case when it comes to the morally corrupted.!!

You have earned it VP, for "protecting" the guilty in murdering unarmed civilians, just because they are "Turkish". How sad is that.? Tells us a lot about your character, or lack of it.!

You really do lack any principles at all, don't you VP.? No wonder you feel comfortable with present Human Rights violation on thousands of Cypriots.!

So far only monetary fines has been awarded to the families of the murdered victims. The murder charges will not be dropped until justice will be served on those who committed them, and when ever a settlement is reached in Cyprus, these criminals will no longer have a place to hide, except perhaps in Turkey for a while longer until she approaches entry to the EU..

Your petty accusations are water off a ducks back, you have to agree a solution first but as I have stated before and you appear to ignore for your own silly reasons I have stated these people should be held accountable for their actions.

Yes, you have stated that they should be held accountable, but then you negate all that when you blame others for the murders as being the reasons why what happened , did happen, when those who did the killings who are ultimately the responsible party, and the fact that the "trnc" has not prosecuted these criminals, tends to lead that they too hold others responsible and not those who committed the murders.

You can't have it both way VP.

[Viewpoint]

Your trying to provoke in order to get an answer this is more a reflection of your own inadaquecy to influence people as they do not value your opinion or input as you are 100% biased towards the GCs.

Therefore you have no BALLS to answer my question, but instead you want to disguise your inadequacies by using your old tired "your GC point of view" remarks to me which no one else views it as such, so you better find something else to "beat the drums with". I had asked you a straight forward question that had nothing to do with politics, but just you as a Human Being.

I would have avoided being in that situation like the plague as I could easily anticipate the danger I would be putting myself in.

You are still not answering the question. Jesus VP, how many times do I need to repeat the same damn question for you.??

Try reading my response and taking it in, its an answer to your question the second question was not for me but BigAl.

I've read your NO ANSWER answer VP, therefore my answer to you stands as is.!!

Thats all you are going to get and deserve.

I expected no more from a man without BALLS to tell us the truth.

Once again, I rest my case when it comes to the morally corrupted.!!

You have earned it VP, for "protecting" the guilty in murdering unarmed civilians, just because they are "Turkish". How sad is that.? Tells us a lot about your character, or lack of it.!

You really do lack any principles at all, don't you VP.? No wonder you feel comfortable with present Human Rights violation on thousands of Cypriots.!

So far only monetary fines has been awarded to the families of the murdered victims. The murder charges will not be dropped until justice will be served on those who committed them, and when ever a settlement is reached in Cyprus, these criminals will no longer have a place to hide, except perhaps in Turkey for a while longer until she approaches entry to the EU..

Your petty accusations are water off a ducks back, you have to agree a solution first but as I have stated before and you appear to ignore for your own silly reasons I have stated these people should be held accountable for their actions.

Yes, you have stated that they should be held accountable, but then you negate all that when you blame others for the murders as being the reasons why what happened , did happen, when those who did the killings who are ultimately the responsible party, and the fact that the "trnc" has not prosecuted these criminals, tends to lead that they too hold others responsible and not those who committed the murders.

You can't have it both way VP.

Your are letting your emotions rule your head, look at it from this angle was soloman breaking the law by rioting entering the buffer zone and trying to rip down a flag? was the people who shot him guilty of defending their border?

[EPSILON]

No emotions for this case

I avoided to post strongly about this subject (for my own reasons) however Turks have ultimate nerve. They want to be European citizens (T/Cs and shelters-these going together about the rights) but they prefer the Islamic Justice.

They must finally understand that the history is moving against them. No luck for 16th century minded people.

If they could imagine what their motrher land will be in next 20 years then they would declared - all of them including shelters- as Greks of Cyprus

[Nikitas]

VP the answer to your question was given the night Solomou was shot by the US State Department spokesman, defening a piece of cloth cannot justify killing a person. He was inside Turkish controlled part, outside the dead zone, he was unarmed and could easily have been arrested. Instead he was shot. It was murder by any legal definition. The murderers are known and travel freely between TRNC and Turkey and one of them has often commented to the media about killing vermin and such. Defending these assholes has nothing to do with the Cyprus problem or the wider Greek-Turk issue. You are veering off course.

[EPSILON]

VP the answer to your question was given the night Solomou was shot by the US State Department spokesman, defening a piece of cloth cannot justify killing a person. He was inside Turkish controlled part, outside the dead zone, he was unarmed and could easily have been arrested. Instead he was shot. It was murder by any legal definition. The murderers are known and travel freely between TRNC and Turkey and one of them has often commented to the media about killing vermin and such. Defending these assholes has nothing to do with the Cyprus problem or the wider Greek-Turk issue. You are veering off course.

Nikitas-loose of time- you can not thing and appreciate things like people in Mongolia-different cultures-different education-different political system.
If you want to reach an agreement you must say only "yes"

Telling you this: I was in Egypt with an Egyptian firend (unfortuanetely died by hard attack) and we were in a reastaraunt in Alexandria. A person from Morocco was with us (friend of the Egyptian guy). We were dringing whisky and discission was about families- The person from Moroco told us that he was married with four!!women. In line with their habits he has to love them equally. I was somehow lauphing and i asked him whether he is going with other women exempt the four. he said -of course- -because of the Whiskies i asked him what would be his feelings if one ogf his wifes goes with othr man. The reastaraunt became a mess- he became so fanatic aqnd -if i was not retitected by the Egyptian i would be dead today

Different culture/ different religion BUT, MOST IMPORTANT DIFFERENT UNDERSATANDING OF THE WORLD.We must respect their point of view -on basis they will not affect our way of thinking and life.!!!!

[Viewpoint]

VP the answer to your question was given the night Solomou was shot by the US State Department spokesman, defening a piece of cloth cannot justify killing a person. He was inside Turkish controlled part, outside the dead zone, he was unarmed and could easily have been arrested. Instead he was shot. It was murder by any legal definition. The murderers are known and travel freely between TRNC and Turkey and one of them has often commented to the media about killing vermin and such. Defending these assholes has nothing to do with the Cyprus problem or the wider Greek-Turk issue. You are veering off course.

You are avoiding answering the question was Soloman acting illegally and in a threatening manner? just yes or no will do.

[EPSILON]

VP the answer to your question was given the night Solomou was shot by the US State Department spokesman, defening a piece of cloth cannot justify killing a person. He was inside Turkish controlled part, outside the dead zone, he was unarmed and could easily have been arrested. Instead he was shot. It was murder by any legal definition. The murderers are known and travel freely between TRNC and Turkey and one of them has often commented to the media about killing vermin and such. Defending these assholes has nothing to do with the Cyprus problem or the wider Greek-Turk issue. You are veering off course.

You are avoiding answering the question was Soloman acting illegally and in a threatening manner? just yes or no will do.

In line with my previous above-Yes you are right -you are so right.He was acting illegally (trying to drop out a foreign flag of his city limits) and under a threatening manner -possibly his cigarete could put on fire the flag and then all TRNC would be in fire.
All European citizens are proud about "a minister" who can protect his cousin's flag by killing a civilian/\

[christos1]

I no longer feel the need to keep silent. I have read the comments in this thread and i must say that i am not surprised by some of these comments, not surprised by them at all. Before the puppet state allowed Greek Cypriots to visit the north...i and many others (probably some of you in here) have demonstrated for this island. For those of us who have done this know that at some point during the demonstration, sometimes emotions can get the best of you. You may see the other side and a grin and a why is it that because i am Greek i can not cross this line?

I for one respect VP's opinion because its an honest one and lets not kid ourselves...isnt this how the majority of Turkish Cypriots think? In fact, some wouldn't have even said that those who killed "should be arrested and made to account for what happened". Why are we trying to cover this fact? Why is everyone ganging up on VP for, he is only expressing him/herself freely? What is it, one upmanship, political points, what?


Having said that, i would also like to be honest in my comments. VP, i feel that you and the majority of the TCs are backward, i always have -- its your thinking process which resembles middle eastern people. It is clearly evident by the comments in this and other threads in this forum. Dont get me wrong, a small percentage of Greek Cypriots are the same way, it must be the proximity to the middle east or something they have adapted from the Ottoman empire. What i am trying to say is that your people and the Greek Cypriots are different and not by a small margin. By having you somehow integrate with us (Annan Plan 6 or whatever) it will only dumbdown the Cypriot Republic. You are what westerners refer to as throwbacks. We have advanced without the TCs so much so that we are a net contributor to the EU. If your society joins the free areas it would create a welfare state that resembles Turkmenistan.


And please, i do not need lecturing from the so called progressives on the Greek Cypriot side. Let me give you all a scenario that is bound to happen if this island ever gets united. A few Greek Cypriots have the courage to go to the North to live with these people. All is well until one day a Greek Cypriot cop man handles a Turkish Cypriot youth and it is played over and over in the press. What is it that you think these backward people will do? Just take a look at what they did in other EU countries for something far less -- they love to riot. They have b@lls when they have strength in numbers. Would you then feel safe in a town then populated by these people? Who are we kidding? Are those two or three Turkish Cypriot friends you have or made, are they going to be able to prevent the horde from attacking you? Another scenario that happened in Egypt. A women approaches a religious moslem female school, she is at the lights and the students come out and they all have headscarves. They see the women in the car without a headscarf and start attacking it and calling the person inside an infidel. If these things happen in Egypt and Lebanon then what makes you all think it wont happen here? Are the Turkish Cypriots less fanatic? Clearly no, just look at their comments! Google the deaths that occurred in Turkey simply because people were of different faiths.

Some may not have wished that i posted this but i do not apologize because this is how i really feel. I didnt always feel like this. My father would one day love to see his Turkish Cypriot friends but he and the rest of you Greek Cypriots in here are living in a dream world. That Cyprus does no longer exist. Clearly there are no longer any difference between a TC and a person from Turkey, its a fact.

[repulsewarrior]

welcome christos1, good read, hope to hear more from you.

cheers!

[Viewpoint]

I no longer feel the need to keep silent. I have read the comments in this thread and i must say that i am not surprised by some of these comments, not surprised by them at all. Before the puppet state allowed Greek Cypriots to visit the north...i and many others (probably some of you in here) have demonstrated for this island. For those of us who have done this know that at some point during the demonstration, sometimes emotions can get the best of you. You may see the other side and a grin and a why is it that because i am Greek i can not cross this line?

I for one respect VP's opinion because its an honest one and lets not kid ourselves...isnt this how the majority of Turkish Cypriots think? In fact, some wouldn't have even said that those who killed "should be arrested and made to account for what happened". Why are we trying to cover this fact? Why is everyone ganging up on VP for, he is only expressing him/herself freely? What is it, one upmanship, political points, what?


Having said that, i would also like to be honest in my comments. VP, i feel that you and the majority of the TCs are backward, i always have -- its your thinking process which resembles middle eastern people. It is clearly evident by the comments in this and other threads in this forum. Dont get me wrong, a small percentage of Greek Cypriots are the same way, it must be the proximity to the middle east or something they have adapted from the Ottoman empire. What i am trying to say is that your people and the Greek Cypriots are different and not by a small margin. By having you somehow integrate with us (Annan Plan 6 or whatever) it will only dumbdown the Cypriot Republic. You are what westerners refer to as throwbacks. We have advanced without the TCs so much so that we are a net contributor to the EU. If your society joins the free areas it would create a welfare state that resembles Turkmenistan.


And please, i do not need lecturing from the so called progressives on the Greek Cypriot side. Let me give you all a scenario that is bound to happen if this island ever gets united. A few Greek Cypriots have the courage to go to the North to live with these people. All is well until one day a Greek Cypriot cop man handles a Turkish Cypriot youth and it is played over and over in the press. What is it that you think these backward people will do? Just take a look at what they did in other EU countries for something far less -- they love to riot. They have b@lls when they have strength in numbers. Would you then feel safe in a town then populated by these people? Who are we kidding? Are those two or three Turkish Cypriot friends you have or made, are they going to be able to prevent the horde from attacking you? Another scenario that happened in Egypt. A women approaches a religious moslem female school, she is at the lights and the students come out and they all have headscarves. They see the women in the car without a headscarf and start attacking it and calling the person inside an infidel. If these things happen in Egypt and Lebanon then what makes you all think it wont happen here? Are the Turkish Cypriots less fanatic? Clearly no, just look at their comments! Google the deaths that occurred in Turkey simply because people were of different faiths.

Some may not have wished that i posted this but i do not apologize because this is how i really feel. I didn't always feel like this. My father would one day love to see his Turkish Cypriot friends but he and the rest of you Greek Cypriots in here are living in a dream world. That Cyprus does no longer exist. Clearly there are no longer any difference between a TC and a person from Turkey, its a fact.

Christos firstly welcome to the forum and your honest opinions.

If you take what you have written above and reverse it that's how we view GCs, for us you are a donkey with a saddle on your back trying to be a race horse, but you are still a donkey. Meeting the criteria of the EU does not make you more civilized or any less a fanatic to take over the whole island and reduce us to minority status. The packaging may have changed din the south but the mentality still remains the same, we are the indigenous people and the TCs are just a stumbling block on our march towards Hellenism and turning Cyprus into a Greek island with hopefully a diminished TC population. Well as I have always tried to put forward my opinions honestly people have not liked what they read, I have been educated abroad and only arrived on the island 15 years ago so claiming we are backwards when most of the posters are fluent in English means they have been educated either abroad or in the best schools in the north. The situation and mistrust of GCs forces the reactions you read on this forum, have you ever thought of it from this angle? to counter your arguments and ensure you act properly TCs ask for safeguards in a united Cyprus, why do you think that is? its not for the fun of it that much I can tell you.