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[Tim Drayton]

There is a generally accepted principal that is summed up in the Latin expression "Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non que negat (the burden of proof rests on who asserts, not on who denies).

[repulsewarrior]

Turkey is a great country, no one will deny the potential it has for progress, but the stagnation of these reforms are a relevant concern, one example is this one, "small" as it may be, Solomou died for a Turkish flag, and there is no honour in it for Turkey.

Dink's words, like Solomou's acts demonstrates to Turks the threat to them from this leadership of Kemalists, who subjugate their Freewill, that is anathema to Humanity.

[GAVCARoCOM]

Are you still talking about this ???


more important things in this world which you dont even move your finger

[Kifeas]

There is a generally accepted principal that is summed up in the Latin expression "Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non que negat (the burden of proof rests on who asserts, not on who denies).

Tim, I honestly have you down for a much more sincere interlocutor, than what you seem to come across in this case. What is it that you want me to prove, the self-evident? The obvious? You want me to prove what every single educated and sincere Turk won't even deny?

What is it that you deny? That in Turkey there is no "powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism? That there is no "disdain for the importance of human rights?" That there is no such practice as that of "identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause?" That in Turkey there is no such thing as "the supremacy of the military/avid militarism," etc, etc..? Do you by any chance also want me to prove to you that I am not an elephant?

[repulsewarrior]

Gav, I don't do youtube. Are you talking about the Cyprus Problem?

...whatever this is (above) it pales in comparison to something else, is this video specific to our thread? as i said if my machine could do what yours does we could have a video war where we could switch sides (for the kefi) and go on and on...

Doing "nothing", is worse than working with pieces, one by one. And this one is easy compared to "larger" Injustices. But you cannot conclude that the case of Solomou is nothing because it is "small".

[GAVCARoCOM]

its about the soldier talking about how they raping the girls and the girl hang herself in iraq

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qFOF-jv32dA

[repulsewarrior]

...what are you saying Gav, a "rape" in Iraq is more important than one right here, in Cyprus?

if anything, the "soldier" who regrets this way and admits it is far less a traitor than the ones we are speaking of...

[Brittania]

its about the soldier talking about how they raping the girls and the girl hang herself in iraq

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qFOF-jv32dA

So we should be more interested in wrong doings in Iraq than when 2 Cypriot citizens get executed by a foreign power on Cypriot soil?

[Kikapu]

Look at the circumstances, the explosive situation where everything was out of control it was hardly the correct situation to climb up a pole and rip down a flag which represents nationalistic and charged emotions, he went into a mind field knowing full well the dangers, why did he not behave himself behind the buffer zone? Why arent you also asking the question what the hell was he trying to achieve by rioting which is a form of war where there is no sense or reason people act on emotions and not clear thought.

VP, you are full of shit as always..!

I believe you qualify as a Turkish Nationalist as you called it, but I call you Fascist with a touch of Racist and a touch of Hateful. Now tell us the truth. Had you been at the location where the "Turkish Piñata Party" and the "Flag Pole Execution Party" took place, and perhaps you were there, then would you have taken part in murdering these two unarmed individual.?? I want to see just how far your big talk on self defence you are proclaiming would have made you help murder these two individuals, as the excuse you have given to the murderers already.

Lets see how much BALLS you really have by telling us the truth.!!

this man entered the TRNC illegally, he was acting in a provocative manner, knew his life was in danger if he crossed into the TRNC. Since he knew what he was doing (ie he was sound of mind) and he knew the risks he deserves what he got. PS it was Tansu Ciller that said anyone laying a hand on the Turkish flag will have their hands cut off and it still stands.

Big Al, lets see if you believe in what you are saying above, or are you just shooting your mouth off just to be a tough guy and a Cowboy.??

August 8th, 1964 Turkish fighter jets were on a mission over Cyprus and one of them got shot down and the pilot bailed out. The pilot's name was Capt. Cengiz TOPEL. Perhaps you have heard of him. In any case, he was captured by the "Greeks" and according to UNFICY after the fact, it was determined that the pilot was tortured and burned to death alive in the most brutal way possible. So, now tell me Big Al, did Capt. Cengiz TOPEL deserved what he got.?? After all, using you arguments, he was flying on a mission over Cyprus, therefore he was doing an illegal act. He may have even carried out bombings on those "Greeks" on the ground with conventional weapons or Napalm, therefore he was in a position to be a threat and may even have killed some "Greeks" on the ground, so my question to you is, was this despicable act of burning him alive was justified and that he had gotten what he deserved.

So come on Big Al, tell us the truth if you dare. Lets see if your BALLS are any bigger than VP's, because you both talk the way you do, because "Greeks" were murdered by the "Turks" in 1996 with the brutal beating and execution on the flag pole, but lets see if you will talk the same way then a "Turk" is murdered in Cold Blood by the "Greeks".

So Big Al, tell me honestly. Did Capt. Topel got what he deserved, and if you say NO, then you are the biggest Big mouth hypocrite there is, and if have the BALLS to you say YES, then I want you to send some flowers to his memorial in Cyprus with a note telling him, that he got what he deserved when he was murdered by the "Greeks" in Cold Blood. Don't forget to leave your name and of your relatives who live in Cyprus on the note sent with the flowers to Capt. Topels memorial.

I may be the first person to have written about Capt. Topel's story 2 years ago here on the forum. If you want to read it, it is here.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus6004-10.html

I think VP and Big Al had enough time over the weekend to check and see how Big their BALLS are, so to respond to my posts made to them above.

Well, it turns out, they don't have BALLS at all to tell us the truth of their convictions.

Looks like I have performed a CASTRATION on them both.!!

I wonder if their voices changed yet.

[Big Al]

its about the soldier talking about how they raping the girls and the girl hang herself in iraq

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qFOF-jv32dA

So we should be more interested in wrong doings in Iraq than when 2 Cypriot citizens get executed by a foreign power on Cypriot soil?

You mean 2 aliens illegally entering the TRNC and stupidly putting UN soldiers lives at risk as well as their own