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[nevermind]

I am new to this forum. I really dont like to write in forums cause I like the live consversation but I really need to comment your logic, Viewpoint. It reminds me the comments from some losers when a rape is committed. "What the hell was she doing wearing a mini-skirt in a dark street in the middle of the night. She got what she deserved!!!". I am a Greek Cypriot and I `m for reunification and living with TC's, but I really don`t want to live next to you! By your logic, if my son throws his football, on purpose, in your back yard and knows that his entering a crazy man's house you are justified to kill him because he stained the sacred concept of Home!!! Its a fucking MURDER period. There are no buts. As I (and every saned human being, I guess) would condemn a MURDER of a TC, a GC or any other Human Being without any excuse, I except the same from everybody. But I guess I should start climbing down from the fairyworld I live and enter the world of reality where people like Viewpoint or any Viewpoint whatsoever dwell...
Ciaya (plural of ciao)

nevermind would you allow your mother to walk into a mine field or woudl you tell them to avoid it? if she ignores you and goes ahead anyway what do you do if one of the mines goes off.

Yes you are right because ,as everyone knows, a mine is the same thing with a human with free will who chooses to MURDER a human being. Ok... Whatever... If you and the other members of the genius bunch which goes by the name "Life is nothing in comparison with a glorious piece of cloth" don't realise that whatever you say, you are not convincing us for the rightness of your logic, then I rest my case and I say you are ,the least, a bunch of fascists.

[Kikapu]

this man entered the TRNC illegally, he was acting in a provocative manner, knew his life was in danger if he crossed into the TRNC. Since he knew what he was doing (ie he was sound of mind) and he knew the risks he deserves what he got. PS it was Tansu Ciller that said anyone laying a hand on the Turkish flag will have their hands cut off and it still stands.

Big Al, lets see if you believe in what you are saying above, or are you just shooting your mouth off just to be a tough guy and a Cowboy.??

August 8th, 1964 Turkish fighter jets were on a mission over Cyprus and one of them got shot down and the pilot bailed out. The pilot's name was Capt. Cengiz TOPEL. Perhaps you have heard of him. In any case, he was captured by the "Greeks" and according to UNFICY after the fact, it was determined that the pilot was tortured and burned to death alive in the most brutal way possible. So, now tell me Big Al, did Capt. Cengiz TOPEL deserved what he got.?? After all, using you arguments, he was flying on a mission over Cyprus, therefore he was doing an illegal act. He may have even carried out bombings on those "Greeks" on the ground with conventional weapons or Napalm, therefore he was in a position to be a threat and may even have killed some "Greeks" on the ground, so my question to you is, was this despicable act of burning him alive was justified and that he had gotten what he deserved.

So come on Big Al, tell us the truth if you dare. Lets see if your BALLS are any bigger than VP's, because you both talk the way you do, because "Greeks" were murdered by the "Turks" in 1996 with the brutal beating and execution on the flag pole, but lets see if you will talk the same way then a "Turk" is murdered in Cold Blood by the "Greeks".

So Big Al, tell me honestly. Did Capt. Topel got what he deserved, and if you say NO, then you are the biggest Big mouth hypocrite there is, and if have the BALLS to you say YES, then I want you to send some flowers to his memorial in Cyprus with a note telling him, that he got what he deserved when he was murdered by the "Greeks" in Cold Blood. Don't forget to leave your name and of your relatives who live in Cyprus on the note sent with the flowers to Capt. Topels memorial.

I may be the first person to have written about Capt. Topel's story 2 years ago here on the forum. If you want to read it, it is here.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus6004-10.html

[CanDiaz]

I'm afraid nothing justifies these killings. Absolutely nothing.

Absolutely correct.

[Kifeas]

this man entered the TRNC illegally, he was acting in a provocative manner, knew his life was in danger if he crossed into the TRNC. Since he knew what he was doing (ie he was sound of mind) and he knew the risks he deserves what he got. PS it was Tansu Ciller that said anyone laying a hand on the Turkish flag will have their hands cut off and it still stands.

Big Al, lets see if you believe in what you are saying above, or are you just shooting your mouth off just to be a tough guy and a Cowboy.??

August 8th, 1964 Turkish fighter jets were on a mission over Cyprus and one of them got shot down and the pilot bailed out. The pilot's name was Capt. Cengiz TOPEL. Perhaps you have heard of him. In any case, he was captured by the "Greeks" and according to UNFICY after the fact, it was determined that the pilot was tortured and burned to death alive in the most brutal way possible. So, now tell me Big Al, did Capt. Cengiz TOPEL deserved what he got.?? After all, using you arguments, he was flying on a mission over Cyprus, therefore he was doing an illegal act. He may have even carried out bombings on those "Greeks" on the ground with conventional weapons or Napalm, therefore he was in a position to be a threat and may even have killed some "Greeks" on the ground, so my question to you is, was this despicable act of burning him alive was justified and that he had gotten what he deserved.

So come on Big Al, tell us the truth if you dare. Lets see if your BALLS are any bigger than VP's, because you both talk the way you do, because "Greeks" were murdered by the "Turks" in 1996 with the brutal beating and execution on the flag pole, but lets see if you will talk the same way then a "Turk" is murdered in Cold Blood by the "Greeks".

So Big Al, tell me honestly. Did Capt. Topel got what he deserved, and if you say NO, then you are the biggest Big mouth hypocrite there is, and if have the BALLS to you say YES, then I want you to send some flowers to his memorial in Cyprus with a note telling him, that he got what he deserved when he was murdered by the "Greeks" in Cold Blood. Don't forget to leave your name and of your relatives who live in Cyprus on the note sent with the flowers to Capt. Topels memorial.

I may be the first person to have written about Capt. Topel's story 2 years ago here on the forum. If you want to read it, it is here.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus6004-10.html

Tough job you have chosen, Kikabu! Tough job indeed, trying to make sense with people that have been baptized and brought up in the “sacramental wines” of one of the most sickening and brain castrating nationalisms of all times, that of the Kemalist fascist patrons of the Turkish nation and the grey wolves!

[Kikapu]

this man entered the TRNC illegally, he was acting in a provocative manner, knew his life was in danger if he crossed into the TRNC. Since he knew what he was doing (ie he was sound of mind) and he knew the risks he deserves what he got. PS it was Tansu Ciller that said anyone laying a hand on the Turkish flag will have their hands cut off and it still stands.

Big Al, lets see if you believe in what you are saying above, or are you just shooting your mouth off just to be a tough guy and a Cowboy.??

August 8th, 1964 Turkish fighter jets were on a mission over Cyprus and one of them got shot down and the pilot bailed out. The pilot's name was Capt. Cengiz TOPEL. Perhaps you have heard of him. In any case, he was captured by the "Greeks" and according to UNFICY after the fact, it was determined that the pilot was tortured and burned to death alive in the most brutal way possible. So, now tell me Big Al, did Capt. Cengiz TOPEL deserved what he got.?? After all, using you arguments, he was flying on a mission over Cyprus, therefore he was doing an illegal act. He may have even carried out bombings on those "Greeks" on the ground with conventional weapons or Napalm, therefore he was in a position to be a threat and may even have killed some "Greeks" on the ground, so my question to you is, was this despicable act of burning him alive was justified and that he had gotten what he deserved.

So come on Big Al, tell us the truth if you dare. Lets see if your BALLS are any bigger than VP's, because you both talk the way you do, because "Greeks" were murdered by the "Turks" in 1996 with the brutal beating and execution on the flag pole, but lets see if you will talk the same way then a "Turk" is murdered in Cold Blood by the "Greeks".

So Big Al, tell me honestly. Did Capt. Topel got what he deserved, and if you say NO, then you are the biggest Big mouth hypocrite there is, and if have the BALLS to you say YES, then I want you to send some flowers to his memorial in Cyprus with a note telling him, that he got what he deserved when he was murdered by the "Greeks" in Cold Blood. Don't forget to leave your name and of your relatives who live in Cyprus on the note sent with the flowers to Capt. Topels memorial.

I may be the first person to have written about Capt. Topel's story 2 years ago here on the forum. If you want to read it, it is here.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus6004-10.html

Tough job you have chosen, Kikabu! Tough job indeed, trying to make sense with people that have been baptized and brought up in the “sacramental wines” of one of the most sickening and brain castrating nationalisms of all times, that of the Kemalist fascist patrons of the Turkish nation and the grey wolves!

[Viewpoint]

VP
Protect yourself from what? It was not like he went charging across the Turkish ceasefire line holding a weapon. He was climbing a flagpole and smoking a cigarette so how was anyone on the ground in danger? He could have easily be apprehended. I've seen people at demonstrations burning US flags outside the American embassy and no one took any pot shots at them. It's called democracy.
You need to examine why you are so outraged. Being insulted over a flag is a choice you make in your own mind. Your response to someone insulting the Turkish flag is a programmed response, herd mentality.

"Patriotism is proud of a country's virtues and eager to correct its deficiencies; it also acknowledges the legitimate patriotism of other countries, with their own specific virtues. The pride of nationalism, however, trumpets its country's virtues and denies its deficiencies, while it is contemptuous toward the virtues of other countries. It wants to be, and proclaims itself to be, "the greatest," but greatness is not required of a country; only goodness is."
Sydney J. Harris:

Maybe Solomos Solomou should not have climbed the flagpole but he didn't deserve to die. You're forgetting he was coming from the funeral of Tassos Isaak, whom he also knew well. Given your mentality over a piece of cloth, I hesitate to imagine what your response would be if one of your friends had been beaten to death a couple of days before.
And please don't bring 1963 into it. We are talking about a black and white case here. There is no shade of grey. He was not killed accidentially. Even the highest court in Europe has recognised that.

We have every right to protect ourselves against rioting hoards of aggresive individuals who are hell bent on causing havoc mayhem and crossing our borders to do god knows what. The degree of nationalism is different from country to country doesnt make one point of view wrong and another right. Turks value their flag its sacred and no one can rip it up or shit on it, its unheard off and Soloman thought he woudl be a hero and rip it downi he may have been mentally disturbed but no one could have known this. They saw a threat to their symbol of Turkishness and reacted with agression to protect it. The explosive situation contributed to by the GCs culminated in this mentally derranged individual threatening the symbol which reflects great nationalistic emotions in many people who would do anything to stop such a vile act and that they did unfortunately it cost Soloman his life. Wrong wrong time.

Mastakis carried out the same act but he was not killed as the circumsrancies were not explosive like during this high charged riots, big difference hope you can see it and understand it.

[Viewpoint]

I am new to this forum. I really dont like to write in forums cause I like the live consversation but I really need to comment your logic, Viewpoint. It reminds me the comments from some losers when a rape is committed. "What the hell was she doing wearing a mini-skirt in a dark street in the middle of the night. She got what she deserved!!!". I am a Greek Cypriot and I `m for reunification and living with TC's, but I really don`t want to live next to you! By your logic, if my son throws his football, on purpose, in your back yard and knows that his entering a crazy man's house you are justified to kill him because he stained the sacred concept of Home!!! Its a fucking MURDER period. There are no buts. As I (and every saned human being, I guess) would condemn a MURDER of a TC, a GC or any other Human Being without any excuse, I except the same from everybody. But I guess I should start climbing down from the fairyworld I live and enter the world of reality where people like Viewpoint or any Viewpoint whatsoever dwell...
Ciaya (plural of ciao)

nevermind would you allow your mother to walk into a mine field or woudl you tell them to avoid it? if she ignores you and goes ahead anyway what do you do if one of the mines goes off.

Yes you are right because ,as everyone knows, a mine is the same thing with a human with free will who chooses to MURDER a human being. Ok... Whatever... If you and the other members of the genius bunch which goes by the name "Life is nothing in comparison with a glorious piece of cloth" don't realise that whatever you say, you are not convincing us for the rightness of your logic, then I rest my case and I say you are ,the least, a bunch of fascists.

Its a mtter of being in the wrong place at the wrong time doing the wrong thing.

[Magnus]

They saw a threat to their symbol of Turkishness and reacted with agression to protect it.

So your 'symbol of Turkishness' is worth more than a man's life? Come on man, it's a piece of cloth not someone's virgin daughter. The worst he could have done is taken it down and ripped it up. So what? It's not like that would have meant the end for your 'TRNC'.

And you feel it is totally acceptable for 'ministers' to be shooting at people and taking pictures like it's a bunch of guys out hunting?

This is nothing short of barbarism and you know it.

[Viewpoint]

They saw a threat to their symbol of Turkishness and reacted with agression to protect it.

So your 'symbol of Turkishness' is worth more than a man's life? Come on man, it's a piece of cloth not someone's virgin daughter. The worst he could have done is taken it down and ripped it up. So what? It's not like that would have meant the end for your 'TRNC'.

And you feel it is totally acceptable for 'ministers' to be shooting at people and taking pictures like it's a bunch of guys out hunting?

This is nothing short of barbarism and you know it.

For the record I have stated that the people who carried out this act should be held accountable but you have to understand that what he did was wrong, he threw himself into a mine field and hit a mine. Is the person to blame who mines their with plenty of warning signs to blame or the mentally derranged individual who ignored every warning sign and ran into the mind field smoking a cigarette? Hoping at worst he would be arrested, very stupid and foolish thing to do if you ask me.

[humanist]

magnus the Turks and Turks of Cyprus will excuse any murder and kill. And so would the their Irish allies who also live and exploit peoples human rights and property rights