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[Kikapu]

Mad with grief, or just plain mad - he should not have been killed like that. Maybe there will be a fine to pay.
What price a mans life? Its very sad.

Why don't you ask that question to VP Tess.??

I'm sure VP will tell you "he is not worth no amount of money, because he chose to walk into a "burning building" therefore it is all his fault. In fact, the victim's parents should reimburse the "trnc" for the cost of 5 bullets that was wasted on their son.

You know Tess, it is customary to douse a burning building with water to try and save lives, but VP prefers to douse it with Petrol, just to make sure no one comes out alive.

Now that you have got me going on this subject (not your fault Tess), I really have few questions about the murder of this defenseless person on the flag pole.

The court findings revealed, that the murdered victim had 5 bullets in him. Lets examine the situation for a minute. In order for the victim to have received 5 bullets while still on the flag pole, he would have had to have been executed as in a firing squad type of shooting in order for all 5 bullets to reach the victim while he was on the flag pole, no more than few feet off the ground. Otherwise, if shots were fired at random at different times, the victim would have dropped from the flag pole like a "sack of potatoes" with the help of gravity after the first bullet hit him. So the question comes to mind then, were the other 4 bullets struck him while on the ground while bleeding from the first bullet, and no longer posing any danger to the sacred Turkish flag to be torn down.

So the question is, was he executed by a firing squad while he was on the flag pole, or shot like a dog on the ground after the first bullet threw him to the ground. My guess is, it was the latter, hence the fact the "minister" referring to the victim as a DOG.

I like some comments on this on how you think the whole event took place. Logic tells me, there could have been only two possibilities, as I've described them above.

Perhaps VP has a 3rd possibility, that he can tell us.?

[Kikapu]

I am new to this forum. I really dont like to write in forums cause I like the live consversation but I really need to comment your logic, Viewpoint. It reminds me the comments from some losers when a rape is committed. "What the hell was she doing wearing a mini-skirt in a dark street in the middle of the night. She got what she deserved!!!". I am a Greek Cypriot and I `m for reunification and living with TC's, but I really don`t want to live next to you! By your logic, if my son throws his football, on purpose, in your back yard and knows that his entering a crazy man's house you are justified to kill him because he stained the sacred concept of Home!!! Its a fucking MURDER period. There are no buts. As I (and every saned human being, I guess) would condemn a MURDER of a TC, a GC or any other Human Being without any excuse, I except the same from everybody. But I guess I should start climbing down from the fairyworld I live and enter the world of reality where people like Viewpoint or any Viewpoint whatsoever dwell...
Ciaya (plural of ciao)

nevermind would you allow your mother to walk into a mine field or woudl you tell them to avoid it? if she ignores you and goes ahead anyway what do you do if one of the mines goes off.

So, now you are saying, that officers with guns in their hands in the "trnc" are like a mines, with a short fuse, that can be set off at anytime by anyone.!!

A bit like a Time Bomb really.!!

Hardly comforting for reunification.!!

There needs to be safeguards in place, I'm very certain of it now. They need to remove all the firing pins from these weapons held by these individuals (mines) with a "short fuse".!

Are you sure you want guns in the hands of these mentally disturbed individual VP.? They are likely to shoot you if your dog took a piss on their leg, mistaking it for a post.!!

It's very scary.!!

[repulsewarrior]

...yes, a mine pole is a flag field.

...so killing him like a dog is the symbol that these great patriots of Turkey chose to commit themselves to. i suppose the others that were injured were just as responsible for getting in the way of the bullets that were used for this "kill".

...you are not shooting straight yourself, what was the aim VP, or is this the "turkish" way?

[Viewpoint]

In a highly explosive situation where all hell has broken lose and with armed forces everywhere this guy tried to play the hero thinking he could rip down the Turkish flag, no no no not a good idea as was proven by the price he paid. Now those who fired the bullets shoudl never have done so and should be brought to justice but seeing the incident took place in the buffer zone no mans land where no side will take on the responsibility of bring these people to justice.

[Viewpoint]

I am new to this forum. I really dont like to write in forums cause I like the live consversation but I really need to comment your logic, Viewpoint. It reminds me the comments from some losers when a rape is committed. "What the hell was she doing wearing a mini-skirt in a dark street in the middle of the night. She got what she deserved!!!". I am a Greek Cypriot and I `m for reunification and living with TC's, but I really don`t want to live next to you! By your logic, if my son throws his football, on purpose, in your back yard and knows that his entering a crazy man's house you are justified to kill him because he stained the sacred concept of Home!!! Its a fucking MURDER period. There are no buts. As I (and every saned human being, I guess) would condemn a MURDER of a TC, a GC or any other Human Being without any excuse, I except the same from everybody. But I guess I should start climbing down from the fairyworld I live and enter the world of reality where people like Viewpoint or any Viewpoint whatsoever dwell...
Ciaya (plural of ciao)

nevermind would you allow your mother to walk into a mine field or woudl you tell them to avoid it? if she ignores you and goes ahead anyway what do you do if one of the mines goes off.

So, now you are saying, that officers with guns in their hands in the "trnc" are like a mines, with a short fuse, that can be set off at anytime by anyone.!!

A bit like a Time Bomb really.!!

Hardly comforting for reunification.!!

There needs to be safeguards in place, I'm very certain of it now. They need to remove all the firing pins from these weapons held by these individuals (mines) with a "short fuse".!

Are you sure you want guns in the hands of these mentally disturbed individual VP.? They are likely to shoot you if your dog took a piss on their leg, mistaking it for a post.!!

It's very scary.!!

Short fuse? all mayhem at been let lose tempers and anger was at the highest point it could be and in situaitons like that people cnanot think straight they react out of character and try to stop anything they see as being a threat, this guy was a threat to nationalists who were all over the place, he paid the biggest price for his stupid actions.

[Viewpoint]

...yes, a mine pole is a flag field.

...so killing him like a dog is the symbol that these great patriots of Turkey chose to commit themselves to. i suppose the others that were injured were just as responsible for getting in the way of the bullets that were used for this "kill".

...you are not shooting straight yourself, what was the aim VP, or is this the "turkish" way?

Please answer honestly

Were they in a buffer zone?

Were they in danger?

Was there a riot?

Were tensions at the highest point?

Was it a matter of time before something would explode?

Should they of avoided this confrontation?

Were they right in going into a dangerous area?

[Kifeas]

In a highly explosive situation where all hell has broken lose and with armed forces everywhere this guy tried to play the hero thinking he could rip down the Turkish flag, no no no not a good idea as was proven by the price he paid. Now those who fired the bullets shoudl never have done so and should be brought to justice but seeing the incident took place in the buffer zone no mans land where no side will take on the responsibility of bring these people to justice.

Yea,, yea, yea!!! “In a highly explosive situation where all hell has broken lose and with armed forces everywhere …” Yea, yea, yea!

Even Goebbels would have envied the skill in your effords to “justify,” "explain"and “vindicate” the inexcusable and the unjustifiable!

[Magnus]

Well the ECHR has ruled against Turkey. Full story from the Cyprus Weekly is here: http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/default.aspx?FrontPageNewsID=304_1

Thought this bit was interesting:

Present at the scene of Solomou’s killing was the then Turkish Cypriot leader Rauf Denktash, who indulged enthusiastically in his hobby of taking photographs. Footage of the incident also showed members of the illegal regime’s "ministers" watching from an overlooking Turkish army post, brandishing weapons and firing at Solomou as he was climbing on the flagpole.

Using the evidence from this footage, as well as other visual material, the Cyprus government issued international arrest warrants against specific persons for participating in the cold-blooded murder. So far Turkey has not acted on these warrants.

The ECHR in its decision had this to say about Turkey’s failure to investigate both murders:

"Concerning the alleged inadequacy of the investigations:

"In both cases the Court noted that the Turkish government had failed to produce any evidence showing that an investigation had been carried out into the circumstances of Anastasios Isaac and Solomos Solomou’s deaths. Nor had they submitted that, more than 11 years after the incidents, those responsible for the killings had been identified and called to account before a domestic court. The Court accordingly held that there had been a violation of Article 2."

Anybody want to continue defending the shooting now?

[GAVCARoCOM]

This is whats happening all the time.

[Magnus]

What exactly does 'Bloody Sunday' have to do with the case of Solomou Vs Turkey?