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[Brittania]

GAV has put a valid question forward to test your one sided views and you yet again failed miserably. You were condemning us well before this verdict was announced yet you say not one word that will place an ounce of blame on the GCs why is that? Lets read how you will try to squirm out of this one.

No, Gav does not have a valid point. All he's trying to do is mix oranges with lemons to make justification for the murders by trying to shift blame to others. I'll not let him do that. I don't feel like having any lemons today.........sorry, so let's stick to what it is that we are talking about or does it make you feel uncomfortable.?

I have not talked about this case at all in the past, so you must have me mistaken with someone else. I was aware of the flag pole murder but not the mop style "Mexican Piñata Party" beating to the bulb murder. They were both ugly as hell and those who did this, is exactly where they belong.!!

Just because these acts of murder were committed by members of my community, does not mean I should not speak strongly towards the guilty. I do not need to make justifications on what responsibility the GC's should bear relating to these murders. At the end of the day, two men were murdered when no defence can justify the actions of the guilty, since the victims posed no danger to the guilty. It is that simple and by trying to shift the blame to sanitize the whole crime, will not work with me.

Good try but you are obviously biased in favor of GCs, you show no sympathy towards our sufferings or even remotely an understanding of the TC viewpoint. The death is regretable but he was in the wrong place at the wrong time, he placed himslef in great danger in a very explosive situation and paid the price, do you think any other GC in future will go up a poll and try to rip down a Turkish flag during a full scale riot?

Viewpoint
That a person is in the wrong place at the wrong time, even if acting wrongly, does not give licence to kill that person.

One can be as sympathetic to a cause or a side without having to abandon basic principles of justice. We cannot have 'my country, right or wrong'. Solomou, the claim goes, was (i) in some way unlawfully killed and (ii) his family denied a fair investigation/tribunal. Whether he acted rashly or foolishly may or may not be the case - whichever, neither his killing nor what followed in terms of a fair trial were defensible in law. That is the claim.

I for one would want to expect killing to be made unlawful and for fair trial to always be conducted - these are basic human rights. No serious argument can be levelled on the basis of whether the victim or perpetrator is GC or TC or any other nationality - that is irrelevant.

Two aphorisms to end on : 'what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander' and 'there by the grace of god go I'

How can he continue to make excuses for something as blatant as this? People being shot inside and outside the buffer zone, mobs beating up on one man (half the mob being policemen!!)

Doesn't he realise he is removing all credibility from any of his future arguments.

[Viewpoint]

GAV has put a valid question forward to test your one sided views and you yet again failed miserably. You were condemning us well before this verdict was announced yet you say not one word that will place an ounce of blame on the GCs why is that? Lets read how you will try to squirm out of this one.

No, Gav does not have a valid point. All he's trying to do is mix oranges with lemons to make justification for the murders by trying to shift blame to others. I'll not let him do that. I don't feel like having any lemons today.........sorry, so let's stick to what it is that we are talking about or does it make you feel uncomfortable.?

I have not talked about this case at all in the past, so you must have me mistaken with someone else. I was aware of the flag pole murder but not the mop style "Mexican Piñata Party" beating to the bulb murder. They were both ugly as hell and those who did this, is exactly where they belong.!!

Just because these acts of murder were committed by members of my community, does not mean I should not speak strongly towards the guilty. I do not need to make justifications on what responsibility the GC's should bear relating to these murders. At the end of the day, two men were murdered when no defence can justify the actions of the guilty, since the victims posed no danger to the guilty. It is that simple and by trying to shift the blame to sanitize the whole crime, will not work with me.

Good try but you are obviously biased in favor of GCs, you show no sympathy towards our sufferings or even remotely an understanding of the TC viewpoint. The death is regretable but he was in the wrong place at the wrong time, he placed himslef in great danger in a very explosive situation and paid the price, do you think any other GC in future will go up a poll and try to rip down a Turkish flag during a full scale riot?

Viewpoint
That a person is in the wrong place at the wrong time, even if acting wrongly, does not give licence to kill that person.

One can be as sympathetic to a cause or a side without having to abandon basic principles of justice. We cannot have 'my country, right or wrong'. Solomou, the claim goes, was (i) in some way unlawfully killed and (ii) his family denied a fair investigation/tribunal. Whether he acted rashly or foolishly may or may not be the case - whichever, neither his killing nor what followed in terms of a fair trial were defensible in law. That is the claim.

I for one would want to expect killing to be made unlawful and for fair trial to always be conducted - these are basic human rights. No serious argument can be levelled on the basis of whether the victim or perpetrator is GC or TC or any other nationality - that is irrelevant.

Two aphorisms to end on : 'what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander' and 'there by the grace of god go I'

How can he continue to make excuses for something as blatant as this? People being shot inside and outside the buffer zone, mobs beating up on one man (half the mob being policemen!!)

Doesn't he realise he is removing all credibility from any of his future arguments.

The man jumped into the fire knowing full well the dangers.

[nevermind]

I am new to this forum. I really dont like to write in forums cause I like the live consversation but I really need to comment your logic, Viewpoint. It reminds me the comments from some losers when a rape is committed. "What the hell was she doing wearing a mini-skirt in a dark street in the middle of the night. She got what she deserved!!!". I am a Greek Cypriot and I `m for reunification and living with TC's, but I really don`t want to live next to you! By your logic, if my son throws his football, on purpose, in your back yard and knows that his entering a crazy man's house you are justified to kill him because he stained the sacred concept of Home!!! Its a fucking MURDER period. There are no buts. As I (and every saned human being, I guess) would condemn a MURDER of a TC, a GC or any other Human Being without any excuse, I except the same from everybody. But I guess I should start climbing down from the fairyworld I live and enter the world of reality where people like Viewpoint or any Viewpoint whatsoever dwell...
Ciaya (plural of ciao)

[Kikapu]

GAV has put a valid question forward to test your one sided views and you yet again failed miserably. You were condemning us well before this verdict was announced yet you say not one word that will place an ounce of blame on the GCs why is that? Lets read how you will try to squirm out of this one.

No, Gav does not have a valid point. All he's trying to do is mix oranges with lemons to make justification for the murders by trying to shift blame to others. I'll not let him do that. I don't feel like having any lemons today.........sorry, so let's stick to what it is that we are talking about or does it make you feel uncomfortable.?

I have not talked about this case at all in the past, so you must have me mistaken with someone else. I was aware of the flag pole murder but not the mop style "Mexican Piñata Party" beating to the bulb murder. They were both ugly as hell and those who did this, is exactly where they belong.!!

Just because these acts of murder were committed by members of my community, does not mean I should not speak strongly towards the guilty. I do not need to make justifications on what responsibility the GC's should bear relating to these murders. At the end of the day, two men were murdered when no defence can justify the actions of the guilty, since the victims posed no danger to the guilty. It is that simple and by trying to shift the blame to sanitize the whole crime, will not work with me.

Good try but you are obviously biased in favor of GCs, you show no sympathy towards our sufferings or even remotely an understanding of the TC viewpoint. The death is regretable but he was in the wrong place at the wrong time, he placed himslef in great danger in a very explosive situation and paid the price, do you think any other GC in future will go up a poll and try to rip down a Turkish flag during a full scale riot?

Viewpoint
That a person is in the wrong place at the wrong time, even if acting wrongly, does not give licence to kill that person.

One can be as sympathetic to a cause or a side without having to abandon basic principles of justice. We cannot have 'my country, right or wrong'. Solomou, the claim goes, was (i) in some way unlawfully killed and (ii) his family denied a fair investigation/tribunal. Whether he acted rashly or foolishly may or may not be the case - whichever, neither his killing nor what followed in terms of a fair trial were defensible in law. That is the claim.

I for one would want to expect killing to be made unlawful and for fair trial to always be conducted - these are basic human rights. No serious argument can be levelled on the basis of whether the victim or perpetrator is GC or TC or any other nationality - that is irrelevant.

Two aphorisms to end on : 'what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander' and 'there by the grace of god go I'

How can he continue to make excuses for something as blatant as this? People being shot inside and outside the buffer zone, mobs beating up on one man (half the mob being policemen!!)

Doesn't he realise he is removing all credibility from any of his future arguments.

The man jumped into the fire knowing full well the dangers.

The mind of a Fascists never ceases to amazes me, and you are a living proof.!!

With your kinds of reasoning, which falls short in respecting the sanctity of human life and basic Human Rights, I think the GC's may need more safeguards from the likes of you than the other way around in the "new" Cyprus.!!!

[RAFAELLA]

Not trying to cross the border !!!!! it was directly in the military area . and normally united nation shouldnt let noone in that zone !!!! but un didnt use enough force !!! also honestly i feel the guy sorry and his family as well . I blame myself UN . u can search "death or hellas" and watch the video on youtube. also listen how british soldier says "very good" at 0.58 second and repeat at the end. this was loooong time ago. again some people trying to do proganda with this by bringingup today

Real and sad facts are not considered propaganda.
...and what if this murder happened a looong time ago? Still a crime.
...and guess why we bring it up today re GavCar ....because TODAY we got the conviction of TR by ECHR.
...and I'm glad to see TR convicted once again for her crimes.

Identification of perpetrators
According to Cypriot Police, Solomou's killers were identified using photographic evidence as Kenan Akin and Erdal Haciali Emanet, members of the unrecognised TRNC administration (the first Minister of Agriculture and Natural Resources and the second Chief of Special Forces). Warrants were issued for their arrest by the Cypriot government, along with three other people, Attila Sav, Chief of Police of TRNC, Hasan Kundakci, Lt. Gen. of the TRNC military and Mehmet Karli, Maj. Gen. of the Turkish Army.[4][5]. In October 2004, Kenan Akin, wanted by Interpol for the murder of Solomou, admitted he had pulled the trigger, however he accused the former Turkish Military Commander Halil Sadrazam as the person who gave the order. Sadrazam denied the accusation.[6]. Akin was later arrested in Istanbul not for shooting Solomou but for smuggling. He was however released from the Turkish authorities despite being wanted for murder by Interpol, prompting a question on Turkey's judicial cooperation from the Greek MP Dimitrios Papadimoulis in the European Parliament.[7].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomos_Solomou

I remember this incident happening

But I never knew the above.

This is really bad....

If the 'leaders' of a community are resposible then why hasnt the Turkish Government brought these perpetrators to Justice

TR is quilty for many violations, I do not believe that any sensible person would expect TR to arrest and convict the murderers. We are naive to believe that TR would give justice. TR and Justice do not match.

The murderer of Solomos Solomou, Kenan Akin, who is wanted by Interpol, goes around the world and conducts smuggling; He is arrested in Istanbul
http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/tcpr/200 ... pr.html#02
...the man was arrested for smuggling but not for a murder! This is TR!

Viewpoint:
What was this guy doing up the pole in such a highly charged situation?

Same thing as you being here at the forum. Should you be shot and killed? Answer this one tough guy.

If this forum was an explosive situation I would not enter, all hell had broken loose and they had been warned to move back yet this guy wanted to become a hero by ripping down the Tukish flag which is very sacred to Turks, yet he took no notice of the warnings and continued to put his life in danger he paid the biggest price.

Nothing is above human life but it seems that for TR it is. Shame.

What notice did Solomou take VP? Did the murderers shot in the air to scare him or warn him? No.
They could have shot him on the leg, they could have shot him on the arm ....but they wanted to take the pleasure by killing a dog - according to Kenan Akin - and they wanted their shot to be fatal.

No excuse accepted dear VP.

I believe the pics I posted where that of the northern minister of agriculture firing his gun. He's now wanted by interpol i understand.

The murderer of Solomos Solomou, Kenan Akin, who is wanted by Interpol, goes around the world and conducts smuggling; He is arrested in Istanbul
http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/tcpr/200 ... pr.html#02

[Brittania]

So let me get this straight...I've been hearing all about the dodgy business deals of the previous president from turks and now it turns out the other side has a minister who was
1) arressted for smuggling,
2) murdered a man live on television and then
3) went ahead and gave an interview finsishing with the immortal words "Why are you making the killing of a dog sound so important?"

And we have people on this island who are defending this man's actions.

Is it me or have we just entered into a parallel universe?

[tessintrnc]

Mad with grief, or just plain mad - he should not have been killed like that. Maybe there will be a fine to pay. What price a mans life? Its very sad.

[Brittania]

Mad with grief, or just plain mad - he should not have been killed like that. Maybe there will be a fine to pay. What price a mans life? Its very sad.

I'm afraid as per interview above, they don't consider it as taking a man's life but a dog's life.

[Tim Drayton]

So let me get this straight...I've been hearing all about the dodgy business deals of the previous president from turks and now it turns out the other side has a minister who was
1) arressted for smuggling,
2) murdered a man live on television and then
3) went ahead and gave an interview finsishing with the immortal words "Why are you making the killing of a dog sound so important?"

And we have people on this island who are defending this man's actions.

Is it me or have we just entered into a parallel universe?

You appear to be alleging that "TRNC Agriculture Minister" Önder Sennaroğlu has committed murder and is wanted by Interpol. When did this alleged offence take place? The reason I ask is that this individual made a well-publicised visit to Brussels in January 2007 in response to an invitation from EU officials:

http://www.hri.org/cgi-bin/brief?/news/ ... .tcpr.html

Interpol can't be doing a very good job if they are unable to apprehend a wanted person on a visit whose itinery was publicised in advance. Unless of course the whole thing is the figment of an overactive imagination. Perhaps indeed you do inhabit a parallel universe.

[Viewpoint]

I am new to this forum. I really dont like to write in forums cause I like the live consversation but I really need to comment your logic, Viewpoint. It reminds me the comments from some losers when a rape is committed. "What the hell was she doing wearing a mini-skirt in a dark street in the middle of the night. She got what she deserved!!!". I am a Greek Cypriot and I `m for reunification and living with TC's, but I really don`t want to live next to you! By your logic, if my son throws his football, on purpose, in your back yard and knows that his entering a crazy man's house you are justified to kill him because he stained the sacred concept of Home!!! Its a fucking MURDER period. There are no buts. As I (and every saned human being, I guess) would condemn a MURDER of a TC, a GC or any other Human Being without any excuse, I except the same from everybody. But I guess I should start climbing down from the fairyworld I live and enter the world of reality where people like Viewpoint or any Viewpoint whatsoever dwell...
Ciaya (plural of ciao)

nevermind would you allow your mother to walk into a mine field or woudl you tell them to avoid it? if she ignores you and goes ahead anyway what do you do if one of the mines goes off.