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Postby bill cobbett » Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:39 pm

Feisty wrote:Basically to engage your brain before you use your typing fingers in this case.
If people's lives and reputations are likely to be affected by what you say, don't say it unless you can back it up with fact.
If you must be offensive make sure that what you are saying is both truthful and relevant. eg. Britannia called me an ignorant chav cow, or to be more precise, asked if she was able to call me one. Personally I think that particular comment made her look a bit stupid and immature and there was certainly no point in saying it. However, if others on the forum took up her comment and started to treat me as such then she would have been guilty of commiting libel. If the forum owner then refused to delete the post then they would have been committing libel to.
What I'd say to the people who want to be able to say what they like and to hell with the consequences is have the courage of your convictions and set up your own forum to do it on instead of moaning about posts being removed and members, who a lot of people believe to be both boring and offensive, being suspended . It's not hard.


Thanks for that Feisty but I need a little clarification. Re: These more personal and potentially libelous remarks you refer to above. Can you give us your opinion, given the legal experience you refer to above, if I was to write the following. Let me stress that none of the below are true.

Which of these is legally libelous:-
Feisty is an ignorant chav cow.
It's alleged that Feisty is an ignorant chav cow.
I have read that Feisty is .....
I have heard that Feisy is .....
I saw on CY Forum that Feisty was called an ....
Someone was telling me the other day that ...

My view is that only the first one is, as F posts above, would you agree ?

(Let me stress again that none of the above are true and would hope that Feisty takes them in good humour so as to advance our little debate.)
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Postby Cheshire Cat » Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:03 pm

My guess would be the first one is libelous, but I am not a lawyer.
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Postby perdike » Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:06 pm

What about "it would appear to me that Feisty is a .. . whatever" ?
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Postby Cheshire Cat » Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:18 pm

I don't think so, that sounds like a personal opinion and we are all entitled to that, As I said I am no Lawyer.
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Postby bill cobbett » Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:50 pm

perdike wrote:What about "it would appear to me that Feisty is a .. . whatever" ?


Yes. Agreed, a tricky one, probably an opinion as per cc, best left alone pending expert legal opinion.
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Postby Niki » Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:03 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
perdike wrote:What about "it would appear to me that Feisty is a .. . whatever" ?


Yes. Agreed, a tricky one, probably an opinion as per cc, best left alone pending expert legal opinion.


Just put "allegedly" before the statement and you're fine......... Allegedly. :?
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Postby Cheshire Cat » Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:13 pm

According to the Oxford English, Allegedly " used in statements for which the author disclaims responsibilty."
"Allege = to affirm especially without proof." IMHO I would think it could be used to put a suggestion into someones mind.
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Postby Niki » Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:19 pm

Cheshire Cat wrote:According to the Oxford English, Allegedly " used in statements for which the author disclaims responsibilty."
"Allege = to affirm especially without proof." IMHO I would think it could be used to put a suggestion into someones mind.


Allegedly you are suggesting that "allegedly" could be used as a suggestion to allegedly put an alleged suggestion into someone's suggestive mind?.....Allegedly. :?
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Postby bill cobbett » Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:19 pm

Cheshire Cat wrote:According to the Oxford English, Allegedly " used in statements for which the author disclaims responsibilty."
"Allege = to affirm especially without proof." IMHO I would think it could be used to put a suggestion into someones mind.


Mind-games eh ? :D

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Postby bill cobbett » Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:22 pm

Whilst on the subject of disclaimers - what about the much used on forums, including here, in my opinion (IMO) or in my humble opinion (IMHO). Both emphasise that what has been said is an opinion.
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