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[Sotos]

As I said before free speech is fine unless its hurts or upsets another person.

Truth can upset and hurt. Should we not say the truth because somebody might be upset? I don't agree! First and above everything else is the truth. Limit to free speech should only be when you make allegations and say things against others that are not true. For example you shouldn't call a female member here a whore unless you know for sure that she takes money for sex or if she admitted this thing in the forum. But if say somebody comes in the forum and he admits that he bought GC property in the occupied areas then I will call him a criminal thief because that is the TRUTH and I couldn't care less if I hurt his feelings with telling him the truth!

[Cheshire Cat]

My dear CC. Regretfully I have to say it looks as if we are going to agree to disagree and I am wondering to what extent this maybe due to a difference between the two cultures both of which I have experience. (GB and CY - so may you - I do not know). Oh dear, I think I am going to offend some people with the analogy that follows.

Let me put this way, if we'd been invited to dinner in GB, we would speak politely, measuredly and in many cases we wouldn't talk politics. At the CY table, you know the sort where the ladies sit down one end and are expected to talk about lady-like things (usually their medical conditions and recent surgical operations) and the gents are down the male end talking.... politics and "The Turkish Problem" and in many, many (perhaps all) of my experiences, the debate becomes heated, personal with insults flying. The ladies make futile attempts to moderate. Each telling their spouses down the other end to calm down, behave, drink less etc.

Dearest Bill,
We are sitting around my table, in the lovely south west of France, My table is round, there are no ends, no partner is sat next to their own.
The same table that my GC friends sat around in Cyprus, the same table that our friend told us of days in his childhood when he would share holidays with the family friends who were TC's . It was at that time a mixed village and not one person thought the other as the villain.
The same table where I saw that same man cry wishing they could go back to the time before the troubles, and have those happy times again.

We are both highly intellegent Bill, I sense that you wish for peace just as I do. I have friends in Cyprus both Cypriot and British it is for those people who I care about that I would love to see the barriers broken and friends embrace each other once more.

If you would like to talk off forum, please feel free to do so. But no hostility please, I think that you are a gentleman, just as I am a lady.

J.

So are we at a dinner party in GB or in CY ?

[bill cobbett]

Here are a couple of extracts from the wiki entry on John Stuart Mill's "On Liberty" to which some members have referred.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stuart_Mill

"Mill's On Liberty addresses the nature and limits of the power that can be legitimately exercised by society over the individual. One argument that Mill develops further than any previous philosopher is the harm principle. The harm principle holds that each individual has the right to act as he wants, so long as these actions do not harm others."

and here's a quote from the book:-

"The sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number, is self-protection. That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinion of others, to do so would be wise, or even right...The only part of the conduct of anyone, for which he is amenable to society, is that which concerns others. In the part which merely concerns himself, his independence is, of right, absolute. Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign."

[Cheshire Cat]

Here are a couple of extracts from the wiki entry on John Stuart Mill's "On Liberty" to which some members have referred.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stuart_Mill

"Mill's On Liberty addresses the nature and limits of the power that can be legitimately exercised by society over the individual. One argument that Mill develops further than any previous philosopher is the harm principle. The harm principle holds that each individual has the right to act as he wants, so long as these actions do not harm others."

and here's a quote from the book:-

"The sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number, is self-protection. That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinion of others, to do so would be wise, or even right...The only part of the conduct of anyone, for which he is amenable to society, is that which concerns others. In the part which merely concerns himself, his independence is, of right, absolute. Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign."

Good Morning Bill,

I think that This is more or less what I have been saying,If I understand it properly, It is Sunday and my brain has taken a day off !! I am not a bible thumper
but I always endeavor to treat others with the respect and curtesy I would like them to treat me. ( has not yet been 100% sucessful, but I can only try).

Have a good Sunday !!

[bill cobbett]

Here are a couple of extracts from the wiki entry on John Stuart Mill's "On Liberty" to which some members have referred.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stuart_Mill

"Mill's On Liberty addresses the nature and limits of the power that can be legitimately exercised by society over the individual. One argument that Mill develops further than any previous philosopher is the harm principle. The harm principle holds that each individual has the right to act as he wants, so long as these actions do not harm others."

and here's a quote from the book:-

"The sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number, is self-protection. That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinion of others, to do so would be wise, or even right...The only part of the conduct of anyone, for which he is amenable to society, is that which concerns others. In the part which merely concerns himself, his independence is, of right, absolute. Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign."

Good Morning Bill,

I think that This is more or less what I have been saying,If I understand it properly, It is Sunday and my brain has taken a day off !! I am not a bible thumper
but I always endeavor to treat others with the respect and curtesy I would like them to treat me. ( has not yet been 100% sucessful, but I can only try).

Have a good Sunday !!

Kalimera CC - I waited ages for your (penultimate) post above last night - didn't notice you'd replied within the quote. May I say, as it's Sunday and almost entirely in jest that I am offended when you refer to me as "highly intelligent" - I prefer to be referred to as a "right idiot".

As it's Sunday I must now turn my attention to the important matter of football.

[Cheshire Cat]

I refuse to call you an Idiot , It is not true and It would be rude and Unkind.

Have a lovely Sunday, and enjoy the football

J.

[SSBubbles]

Hello BillC.

What have I missed please? I have had the usual weekend of socialising and have just spotted your new signature! Something in the pipeline .... or not!


(sorry, cannot help but being a nosey mare! )

[bill cobbett]

Hello BillC.

What have I missed please? I have had the usual weekend of socialising and have just spotted your new signature! Something in the pipeline .... or not!


(sorry, cannot help but being a nosey mare! )

Hi BB _ Sorry I mean Hello SSbubbles xx - Nothing exciting to report. Continuing debate on what we mean by freedom of speech, perhaps trying to find some common ground and I am now posting about football.

[Feisty]

As I said before free speech is fine unless its hurts or upsets another person.

Truth can upset and hurt. Should we not say the truth because somebody might be upset? I don't agree! First and above everything else is the truth. Limit to free speech should only be when you make allegations and say things against others that are not true. For example you shouldn't call a female member here a whore unless you know for sure that she takes money for sex or if she admitted this thing in the forum. But if say somebody comes in the forum and he admits that he bought GC property in the occupied areas then I will call him a criminal thief because that is the TRUTH and I couldn't care less if I hurt his feelings with telling him the truth!

Quite right Sotos. Some people surround themselves with a few sychophants who tell them what they want to hear and then go merrily about their way thinking the world smells of roses and that they are saintly in their actions. Sometimes these people need their blinkers taking off to realise that really they are in fact spoilt rotten and will soon have to grow up, be a mature responsible adult and find that life isn't just a bowl of cherries when they realise what a proper sacrifice is.

[Cheshire Cat]

As I said before free speech is fine unless its hurts or upsets another person.

Truth can upset and hurt. Should we not say the truth because somebody might be upset? I don't agree! First and above everything else is the truth. Limit to free speech should only be when you make allegations and say things against others that are not true. For example you shouldn't call a female member here a whore unless you know for sure that she takes money for sex or if she admitted this thing in the forum. But if say somebody comes in the forum and he admits that he bought GC property in the occupied areas then I will call him a criminal thief because that is the TRUTH and I couldn't care less if I hurt his feelings with telling him the truth!

Quite right Sotos. Some people surround themselves with a few sychophants who tell them what they want to hear and then go merrily about their way thinking the world smells of roses and that they are saintly in their actions. Sometimes these people need their blinkers taking off to realise that really they are in fact spoilt rotten and will soon have to grow up, be a mature responsible adult and find that life isn't just a bowl of cherries when they realise what a proper sacrifice is.

Hello Feisty,
Were you thinking of anyone in particular ?