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[Eliko]

Neither Britain nor America are ruling Zimbabwe and neither has anything to gain by not supporting Mugabe .No comparison what so ever with EOKA or Nelson Mandela. Mugabe is a tyrant , a ruthless dictator with an insatiable appetite for corrupt power.

How can you say 'no comparison' - Zimbabwe was a British colony. Do you think, even after it had gained its independance, that Britain would act like a friend?? The white farm owners in Zimbabwe received their land in exactly the sameway the Ottoman Turks received their land when they arrived in Cyprus - by stealing it. Its all colonialism and all relevant.

Mugabe may well be a tyrant and a corrupt dictator but PLEASE dont tell me you think you know this for certain just because you read the western media.

He has ruined Zimbabwe and has made the life of his people hell . No one can stand by and watch this man totaly destroy this nation. He is a menace not only to his country but to all of Africa and the sooner he goes the better for the people of Zimbabwe.

Again you dont know this for certain - have you spoken to Mugabe's followers? I dont think so. There are two sides to every story like we see in this forum right here with regards to Cyprus.

...and how can you talk for the whole of Africa?? How is he a menace to Africa. Have you spoken to African people or researched the views of their leaders?? The BIGGER and BIGGEST menace to Africa has been colonialism and I can almost guarantee any African in their right mind will tell you that.

Your comments do you credit 'Rebel', Best Wishes.

[miltiades]

Neither Britain nor America are ruling Zimbabwe and neither has anything to gain by not supporting Mugabe .No comparison what so ever with EOKA or Nelson Mandela. Mugabe is a tyrant , a ruthless dictator with an insatiable appetite for corrupt power.

How can you say 'no comparison' - Zimbabwe was a British colony. Do you think, even after it had gained its independence, that Britain would act like a friend?? The white farm owners in Zimbabwe received their land in exactly the same way the Ottoman Turks received their land when they arrived in Cyprus - by stealing it. Its all colonialism and all relevant.

Mugabe may well be a tyrant and a corrupt dictator but PLEASE dont tell me you think you know this for certain just because you read the western media.

He has ruined Zimbabwe and has made the life of his people hell . No one can stand by and watch this man totaly destroy this nation. He is a menace not only to his country but to all of Africa and the sooner he goes the better for the people of Zimbabwe.

Again you dont know this for certain - have you spoken to Mugabe's followers? I dont think so. There are two sides to every story like we see in this forum right here with regards to Cyprus.

...and how can you talk for the whole of Africa?? How is he a menace to Africa. Have you spoken to African people or researched the views of their leaders?? The BIGGER and BIGGEST menace to Africa has been colonialism and I can almost guarantee any African in their right mind will tell you that.

How many Africans from Zimbabwe or any other African country do you know.
I have also been to Zimbabwe on 2 occasions some 15 years ago. I know exactly what is going on Zimbabwe , the white farmers were the backbone of the nations economy, this tyrant has reduced the once healthy economy to ruins . Inflation is , according to the government 8000 PER CENT , unofficial figures put this at over 20000 % .Please do not make comments if you are merely speculating on comments driven by any anti British or anti American views that you may harbour . The man , Robert Mugabe has single handedly ruined his country , remember the Emperor of Central Africa ? Mugabe is worst that him .
Why on earth should Britain want to go back to Zimbabwe for god sake.
ps. Where do you get your news from , the Afghanistan Herald or the Daily Palestinian Oracle , of course I get my news from the Western media such as the BBC , Reuters , CNC , RIK amongst others , now tell me where do you obtain your news from .Please I do want to know since I seem to be missing something here , that Mugabe is a wonderful leader for his country and a victim of the West !!
ps: SO THAT YOU KNOW THE BIGGEST ENEMY OF AFRICA IS THE AFRICAN LEADERS CORRUPT PRACTISES .

[Eliko]

I am sure there must be a political solution avoiding the need of bloodshed...

Yes there is . Abide by the election results !!

Would those election results you allude to , have been conducted in the same fashion as were those in Iraq ?, where a GANG of warlords have been paid by your 'Mentors' to pave the way for the nation to be also sucked into the abyss of (what we are gulled into believing is) 'Democracy' ?.

OR (if you insist on abiding by election results) WHY is it that 'Hamas' is not recognized as the rightful political party in it's own land ?.

Oh, that is an easy question to answer, Bush, Blair and Olmert did not approve did they ?, sorry, I forgot that bit.

Incidentally, whilst on the subject of Olmert, I do believe the 'Gentleman' is currently embroiled in some kind of 'Legal Process' as a result of dishonesty, perhaps YOU (being such an admirer of whatever he does) could give him a few pointers on how to wriggle out of his dilemma.

One at a time mate, one at a time, no point in upsetting you, you may become abusive.

Sill waiting for a statement from 'Our Learne'd Friend' on THIS issue, perhaps (like the others) he is hoping it will go away.

[CanDiaz]

Miltiades,

Remember the media in the countries that condemn Mugabe are also the same media that once said EOKA, or even Nelson Mandela, were terrorists.

Moral of the story is, dont believe everything you hear in the media because we really dont know the truth what is going in Zimbabwe.

If EOKA was not a terrorist organisation, then what was it?

[denizaksulu]

Neither Britain nor America are ruling Zimbabwe and neither has anything to gain by not supporting Mugabe .No comparison what so ever with EOKA or Nelson Mandela. Mugabe is a tyrant , a ruthless dictator with an insatiable appetite for corrupt power.

How can you say 'no comparison' - Zimbabwe was a British colony. Do you think, even after it had gained its independance, that Britain would act like a friend?? The white farm owners in Zimbabwe received their land in exactly the sameway the Ottoman Turks received their land when they arrived in Cyprus - by stealing it. Its all colonialism and all relevant.Mugabe may well be a tyrant and a corrupt dictator but PLEASE dont tell me you think you know this for certain just because you read the western media.

He has ruined Zimbabwe and has made the life of his people hell . No one can stand by and watch this man totaly destroy this nation. He is a menace not only to his country but to all of Africa and the sooner he goes the better for the people of Zimbabwe.

Again you dont know this for certain - have you spoken to Mugabe's followers? I dont think so. There are two sides to every story like we see in this forum right here with regards to Cyprus.

...and how can you talk for the whole of Africa?? How is he a menace to Africa. Have you spoken to African people or researched the views of their leaders?? The BIGGER and BIGGEST menace to Africa has been colonialism and I can almost guarantee any African in their right mind will tell you that.

Isnt it interesting (the red highlighted bits) that all these years, the Greek Cypriots have always owned more land than the Turkish Cypriots. There must be something wrong with your argument. Did you perchance shoot yourself in the foot?
As far as I know, the Cypriot serfs under the Lusignans and Venetians owned nothing. Theywere serfs. Thanks to the Ottomans the Cypriots(non-Latins) kept the lands they tilled. All Land and property owned by the Latins reverted to the Ottomans. I am not saying that no Cypriot land was requisitioned by the invaders of 1571. (Conquerors rights and all that). Even them the Bellapais Abbey was given over to the Cypriots(Greek).

[Rebel.Without.A.Pause]

How many Africans from Zimbabwe or any other African country do you know.

Quite a few.

I have also been to Zimbabwe on 2 occasions some 15 years ago. I know exactly what is going on Zimbabwe , the white farmers were the backbone of the nations economy, this tyrant has reduced the once healthy economy to ruins . Inflation is , according to the government 8000 PER CENT , unofficial figures put this at over 20000 % .

So hypothetically, if the Turks were the backbone to Cyprus' economy, do you think it would be right that they get to keep stolen land?? Britain administration goverened Cyprus well but do you think it was right to rule over the island against the will of Cypriots??

Why on earth should Britain want to go back to Zimbabwe for god sake.

No one said Britain wanted to go back to Zimbabwe but that doesnt mean that Britain would be an ally to a country that fought or was against their colonial rule. Do you think Britain has been a good ally to Cyprus since 1960??

Where do you get your news from , the Afghanistan Herald or the Daily Palestinian Oracle , of course I get my news from the Western media such as the BBC , Reuters , CNC , RIK amongst others , now tell me where do you obtain your news from

From Africans that have the same general regard as most African people.

[Rebel.Without.A.Pause]

Please I do want to know since I seem to be missing something here , that Mugabe is a wonderful leader for his country and a victim of the West !!

My point was that you shouldnt trust everything you hear in the western media and that maybe not Mugabe but Zimbabwe and most African states have been victims to the west's colonial era.

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ps: SO THAT YOU KNOW THE BIGGEST ENEMY OF AFRICA IS THE AFRICAN LEADERS CORRUPT PRACTISES .

...and why are those African leaders in place?? Because of Africa's colonial era. Colonialism is all relevant. Who do you think put the Greek Junta in power and why was Greece put in that position?? It was because of Britains post war administration of Greece and American colonialism. Why was Greece in so much problems even after their independance? Because of Turkish colonialism and the after effects it had even after they left.

Its all relevant to colonialism, whether in Africa, the Indian subcontinent or Cyprus!!

As far as I know, the Cypriot serfs under the Lusignans and Venetians owned nothing. Theywere serfs. Thanks to the Ottomans the Cypriots(non-Latins) kept the lands they tilled. All Land and property owned by the Latins reverted to the Ottomans. I am not saying that no Cypriot land was requisitioned by the invaders of 1571. (Conquerors rights and all that). Even them the Bellapais Abbey was given over to the Cypriots(Greek).

When the Ottoman Turks arrived in Cyprus...do you think they were just GIVEN land or did they take it by force?? The lands may have been owned by Venetians but it was still Greeks living on those lands. When the Ottomans came, they forced the Greeks from their lands and homes and took them for themselves. Do you know why there were so many Turkish Cypriot lands on the coastal areas of Cyprus and less inland? Because when the Turks came, they took the coastal areas so when the big boss Pashas came to visit Cyprus, the first thing they could see from their boats were minerets and mosques, obviously thinking most of the island was the same.

Like I said, its ALL colonialism and ALL relevant.

[Rebel.Without.A.Pause]

If EOKA was not a terrorist organisation, then what was it?

One person's freedom fighter is another person's terrorist. The same people that labled EOKA terrorists at the time also called Nelson Mandela and the ANC terrorists. Ask any Black man if they think Mandela was a terrorist and see what answer you get.

Its a question of ethics and whether you support colonialism or freedom.

[denizaksulu]

Please I do want to know since I seem to be missing something here , that Mugabe is a wonderful leader for his country and a victim of the West !!

My point was that you shouldnt trust everything you hear in the western media and that maybe not Mugabe but Zimbabwe and most African states have been victims to the west's colonial era.

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ps: SO THAT YOU KNOW THE BIGGEST ENEMY OF AFRICA IS THE AFRICAN LEADERS CORRUPT PRACTISES .

...and why are those African leaders in place?? Because of Africa's colonial era. Colonialism is all relevant. Who do you think put the Greek Junta in power and why was Greece put in that position?? It was because of Britains post war administration of Greece and American colonialism. Why was Greece in so much problems even after their independance? Because of Turkish colonialism and the after effects it had even after they left.

Its all relevant to colonialism, whether in Africa, the Indian subcontinent or Cyprus!!

As far as I know, the Cypriot serfs under the Lusignans and Venetians owned nothing. Theywere serfs. Thanks to the Ottomans the Cypriots(non-Latins) kept the lands they tilled. All Land and property owned by the Latins reverted to the Ottomans. I am not saying that no Cypriot land was requisitioned by the invaders of 1571. (Conquerors rights and all that). Even them the Bellapais Abbey was given over to the Cypriots(Greek).

When the Ottoman Turks arrived in Cyprus...do you think they were just GIVEN land or did they take it by force?? The lands may have been owned by Venetians but it was still Greeks living on those lands. When the Ottomans came, they forced the Greeks from their lands and homes and took them for themselves. Do you know why there were so many Turkish Cypriot lands on the coastal areas of Cyprus and less inland? Because when the Turks came, they took the coastal areas so when the big boss Pashas came to visit Cyprus, the first thing they could see from their boats were minerets and mosques, obviously thinking most of the island was the same.

Like I said, its ALL colonialism and ALL relevant.

You did not address the question of the GCs always having more land than the TCS.

[Rebel.Without.A.Pause]

OK - so are we differenciating between the words 'owned' and 'lived on'??

What is your question exactly?