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[brother]

The E.U is not a country but a group of countries who mutually agreed to work togethar for the better of all their perspective countries which over a period of time grew and is still growing hence forming today what is the E.U.

So i understand what you are saying but are you understanding what the others are saying to you about that is what they envision as a way forward.

[magikthrill]

If the majority say they fear physical oppression and need bizonality as a safeguard against this then I accept that as the will of the TC community - even though it is not my personal position.

IMHO, from what Ive managd to gather from this forum at least, those that seek bizonality (strict bizonality with residence restrictions and state political domination) are those who do not wish to reunite at all. Personally, the reason of physical oppression is not an excuse. WHy? because GCs can use the same argumetn as well.

You claim you respect your communitys "majority" wish to have a bizonal federation. Even though with this bizonal federation GCs would have the restrictions in their own homeland like those that TCs had following the collapse the of the republic. So basically those who deem strict bizonality as a "necessity" in my opinion are hypocirts.

If, however, the GC community's response is to limit any type of political activity of TCs then I do not support this. This could be "Excused" by saying the Turks oppressed the GCs and the TCs stole and lived in our homes for over 30 years.

We cant use these excuses though because this is in the past. If people want to think of the other community as evil doers who only want the harm of the other community then these people should take a boat and go back from where they came from. And since TCs and GCs apparently have very similar DNA they can share a boat to their similar place of origin.

[brother]

We cant use these excuses though because this is in the past. If people want to think of the other community as evil doers who only want the harm of the other community then these people should take a boat and go back from where they came from. And since TCs and GCs apparently have very similar DNA they can share a boat to their similar place of origin.

So where do all the cypriots come from? cyprus, so we are stuck togethar for all eternity.

[magikthrill]

So where do all the cypriots come from? cyprus, so we are stuck togethar for all eternity.

well iw as referring to those posters who say TCs should go back to Mongolia. if TCs are from Mongolia, then GCs shouldnt be too far from there, taking into accoutn scientifc evidence always

[erolz]

No, it is not right in ANY country, this is why there is no country where communities of different size have equal power.

I have clearly stated that political equality can be vested in the component states and not in the communites directly and that the component states do not need to be ethincaly pure - just protected from ethnic dominace of both states by a single community - yet you apparently chose to ignore this?

Is it so hard for you to understand that EU is not a country?

No it is not hard for me to understand that the EU is not a country. I understand it and accept it and if it makes you happy will state it. The EU is not a country. A rat is not a human being yet we experimant and discet rats to understand principles of human anantomy and health.

I want a democratic country, you want a democratic association of independent countries. (=partition)

Your idea of a democratic Cyprus is one where the GC community have effective total political control of all of Cyprus and all it's people. My idea od a democratic Cyprus is one where one issue that affect both communites equal potical control is vested in all people equaly and where issues affect the two communites / compinetn states differently control is vested equaly and seperatley in the two communites / component states.

I am not arguing that EU is not democratic, I am arguing that EU is not a country.

and with respect you may just as well argue that an apple is not a orange for all the relvance such an argument has to the point I am trying to make.

The reason you consider my version of democracy above undemocratic is because it vest equal politcial power in each component state (on some issues) despite their different sizes and because the component states are ethnicaly based (though not ethnicaly pure). The reason I say that such logic would mean you should also deem the EU undemocratic is because it vests equal political power in component state (on some issues) despite their different sizes and because the componet states are ethinicaly based (though not ethnicaly pure).

[brother]

Magik dude,

point taken but i was just jesting, which i am sure you got anyway

[magikthrill]

I am not arguing that EU is not democratic, I am arguing that EU is not a country.

Alright.

so you both agree on the same thing.

erol is not trying to apply the EUs political structure to CYprus.

he is just using the EU as an example to show us that you can have both democracy and disproportional voting.

[erolz]

he is just using the EU as an example to show us that you can have both democracy and disproportional voting.

Thank you

[magikthrill]

Thank you

your welcome but the thng is you both agreed from the start. Only because of your misonceived notions of one another you guys prefer to argue as if its the closest thing you two could come to a fist fight!

Relax guys!

[brother]

They were just being the same people....Cypriots, we all go or have gone to the local cafe and you see it we LOVE to argue.