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[Gasman]

I really don't get the point of this? Wanting to discuss all things Cypriot without including or acknowledging anything 'Turkish'?

If it was just the events of 1974 you wanted to avoid, fair enough. But not ANYTHING concerning Turkish influence on Cyprus.

It would be nice to see discussions about Cyprus today without constant reference to 74 being made. And I agree Cyprus is not just all about that but have to say that when I first moved here I was truly amazed at just how many GCs do talk about that every day of their lives. Even if they were not born until after 74.

I've got a piccie of a very old olive tree. Outside the Famagusta Mosque. It says it is reputed to be the oldest tree in Cyprus. I will see if I can post it. That's if the mere mention of it growing on the Turkish side doesn't disqualify it from being included in among other posts about Olive Trees?

[Gasman]

Here you go - Cyprus donkeys. They've been around a long time haven't they? Took this pic last year. They are the only ones I've ever seen in the wild - was beginning to think they were a myth!

[paliometoxo]

when you acknowledge anything turkish or a minority it only brings trouble ask any country with a turkish minority they acknowledge

[Gasman]

Apostolos Andreas Monastery, Spring, 2008. There were lots of GCs paying their respects there at the time.
Obviously, as this is a Turkish free thread, I won't mention that this is supposed to have been restored in a reciprocal arrangement to restore Hala Sultan Tekke in Larnaca as both are important religious sites. So all I will say is that the Mosque has been restored beautifully.

[Gasman]

Don't understand your post palio. How can you deny the existence of something? Or the influence on the architecture, cuisine, or traces it left behind? Sounds a bit like book burning to me.

I cannot imagine anyone discussing the nature and history of Britain without being able to acknowledge the Romans!

[Oracle]

Don't understand your post palio. How can you deny the existence of something? Or the influence on the architecture, cuisine, or traces it left behind? Sounds a bit like book burning to me.

I cannot imagine anyone discussing the nature and history of Britain without being able to acknowledge the Romans!

Stop gassing. Is it so difficult to find something from Cyprus' 10,000 year history, 9,500 years of which, at least, was Turk-free?

Your stance is equivalent to erasing Shakespeare, Chaucer, Blake etc just because the UK today has contributions from its latter-day immigrants.

The Turks are not the equivalent of the Romans to Britain, at all. That would be the Franks or Venetians, more like.

[denizaksulu]

Don't understand your post palio. How can you deny the existence of something? Or the influence on the architecture, cuisine, or traces it left behind? Sounds a bit like book burning to me.

I cannot imagine anyone discussing the nature and history of Britain without being able to acknowledge the Romans!

Stop gassing. Is it so difficult to find something from Cyprus' 10,000 year history, 9,500 years of which, at least, was Turk-free?

Your stance is equivalent to erasing Shakespeare, Chaucer, Blake etc just because the UK today has contributions from its latter-day immigrants.

The Turks are not the equivalent of the Romans to Britain, at all. That would be the Franks or Venetians, more like.

The Ottomans held sway over Cyprus longer than the dreaded Venetians did O.

[Oracle]

Don't understand your post palio. How can you deny the existence of something? Or the influence on the architecture, cuisine, or traces it left behind? Sounds a bit like book burning to me.

I cannot imagine anyone discussing the nature and history of Britain without being able to acknowledge the Romans!

Stop gassing. Is it so difficult to find something from Cyprus' 10,000 year history, 9,500 years of which, at least, was Turk-free?

Your stance is equivalent to erasing Shakespeare, Chaucer, Blake etc just because the UK today has contributions from its latter-day immigrants.

The Turks are not the equivalent of the Romans to Britain, at all. That would be the Franks or Venetians, more like.

The Ottomans held sway over Cyprus longer than the dreaded Venetians did O.

We weren't discussing anything in terms of length of occupation ... only latter and previous influences.

The Ottoman enslavement still continues, so that point is irrelevant.

But Gasman was getting into a tizzy, unable to visualise the historical time-line parallels and equating the Romans (there at the start of Britain's civilisation) with the Ottoman-Turks, here several thousand years AFTER the start of Cyprus' civilisation.

[Gasman]

I am not unable to 'visualise' anything at all. I could have used many examples in place of the Romans. It was nothing to do with how long ago they left their mark. They left their mark on these countries and it stands today.

If you read my posts you would see that I said I would welcome discussion of Cyprus and its past without 1974 being dragged into it, (I couldn't agree more that Cyprus is not just ALL about 1974, though some GCs do seem to think it is and cannot speak about even the weather without mentioning it), just not without anything Turkish at all being mentioned. You cannot live in, walk or drive around Cyprus and not see anything Turkish at all.

Seems the sort of thing that would start to alienate even pro GC supporters where the problem is concerned.

I can 'visualize' Cyprus had there never been any Turkish influence on it in my mind but, what's the point of that? When with my own eyes I would have to deny what I SEE! No one alive in Cyprus today can remember a Turkish Cypriot free Cyprus. You cannot change history to suit the way you would have liked it to be.

Makes about as much sense as posts by ex pat Brit whingers stating they'd return to the UK if it were not for all the immigrants they've let in now!

[Gasman]

Oh ... and I am never in a tizzy.

PS - even your siggie line seems to break the 'no mention of anything TC' rule for this thread!