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[soyer]

beginning of Cyprus problem start when Greek Cypriots call for ENOSIS to join they motherland

Here, I present you the begging of the Cyprus Problem (according to Soyer):

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

How did those "criminal Cypriots" dare to ask for their freedom like the rest of Greeks did? It is the Cypriots fault that asked for their freedom and their "nice rulers" had every right to butcher them and punish them.

Of course it was no problem at all that Cypriots were slaves of the Turks and the British. The "problem" was that Cypriots asked for their freedom and self determination.

result of this answer to ENOSIS was TAKSIM mean partition nothing like "plan to annihilate all Greek" believe me

So how could you achieve partition without annihilating all or most Greek Cypriots from north Cyprus? The GCs have been the majority in northern part of Cyprus (just like every other part) for 1000s of years. So how could you have a "Turkish Republic" with a population that would be 80% Greek?

Cut the excuses Soyer. Your demand for partition required the annihilation of Greek Cypriots from the north part of Cyprus.

What we wanted, the freedom of Cyprus from foreign rulers, not only it was our right since it was the democratic choice of the overwhelming majority of Cypriots, but it did not involve any harm to TCs or anybody else.

Except if you are going to tell me that no part of the Hellenic world should have ever been liberated, and a free Greek state should not have been created, because the Turks spread their minorities on Greek lands during the time their empire ruled our area.

As a minority in Cyprus you have a right for your human, democratic and minority rights. You have no right to impose your will against the desires of the Cypriot people as a whole. We are not living in the era of the Ottoman empire anymore.

SO YOU SAY WE HAD NO RIGHT TO DEMAND ANYTHING BECAUSE WE ARE TURKISH CYPRIOTS. you sound just like your grandfather

GOOD THAT WE HAD A STRUGGLE THEN.
Never mind minority right we going to be partition soon carry on with good idea.

How UN works

First caressing
Second embrace
Third F***

What makes YOU a T/C , your avatar is that of Turkey , so you , that means you not the true T/Cs , do not belong here , you are displaying the flag of a foreign nation , why not go and join this vast nation why do you persist in calling yourself a T/C rather than just a Turk.
Your flag has nothing what so ever to do with Cyprus .

NO NEED TO ENVY OF MY FLAG. WITH LITTLE SUNNET YOU CAN ALSO DISPLAY TURKISH FLAG PROUDLY

[repulsewarrior]

we are all "hurt", and Glock begets Glock, so Glock is no friend. Try and try again, this is the nature of this conflict. whether you are armenian or not, the question is whether we are capable of dragging ourselves beyond the game of "Greeks" and "Turks", if we have the courage to say, no, by our own acts to demonstrate that we really do care for each other as Humans, and in Cyprus if we can go beyond Nationalistic sentiment. That is why "Dink" and others should be a concern. I say, forget the "Greeks" who call you names, they have a lot to learn, like those who place Turkey's interests above a man like Ataturk, who fought for Freewill, unlike Kemalists. You must demonstrate the strength that comes from within as a Human person, and for which millions have died, not just in Cyprus.

[CanDiaz]

we are all "hurt", and Glock begets Glock, so Glock is no friend. Try and try again, this is the nature of this conflict. whether you are armenian or not, the question is whether we are capable of dragging ourselves beyond the game of "Greeks" and "Turks", if we have the courage to say, no, by our own acts to demonstrate that we really do care for each other as Humans, and in Cyprus if we can go beyond Nationalistic sentiment. That is why "Dink" and others should be a concern. I say, forget the "Greeks" who call you names, they have a lot to learn, like those who place Turkey's interests above a man like Ataturk, who fought for Freewill, unlike Kemalists. You must demonstrate the strength that comes from within as a Human person, and for which millions have died, not just in Cyprus.

Bravo.Bloody well said.

[Viewpoint]

CanDiaz dont take Piratis to seriously hes someone who thinks we are responsible for what the Ottamans did 500 years ago yet does not acknowledge his own wrong doing of only 40 years, he belittle our suffering and mistreatment at the hands of ruthless GCs and elevates his own suffering which Turkey stepped in to bring a balance to this island, the fact that we have been unable to resolve our problems is not one sided and GCs shoudl realize that TCs are partners and not just another minority for them to sweep under the carpet, like they did in the past.

You stepped in when coerced by the British during the 1955-1959 independence movement. Cypriots revolted against the British for self determination, and we had every right to do so. The TCs sided with the British and received unfair rewards under the 1959 Zurich Agreements, which later caused the constitutional crisis in 1963. You once again desire to negotiate an even more unfair settlement in the current peace talks which would lead to more of the same. The Turkish plans for partition were first penned in 1958 with the formation of the infamous TMT which terrorised Greek Cypriots. This inevitably led to EOKA reacting to your recalcitrance, purely for the fact that you aligned your selves with the British oppressors. EOKA was not formed to target the TCs, but it is the TCs that made themselves a target.

Why did we side with the Brtis ask yourself that question, ask yourself what indepdence woudl have meant for us if you were given a free hand to gift Cyprus to Greece, you were not going to be put in the fire, we had to survive and survive we did.

Mate, the wars that you started against us in Cyprus were never for "survival". Your survival was never threated by us, and it is in fact you who started the "inter-communal" conflict by collaborating with the British to defeat our revolution and then directly attacking us in 1958. Right from the beginning and until today you aim is to impose your rule by force either on the whole or on part of our island.

You sided with the Brits for the very simple reason that the Turks and British had agreed to collaborate in order to defeat the revolution of Cypriots, so both of them could then have gains on the loss of the Cypriots. Thats what happened.

Your dream for enosis should take the biggest portion of the blame, an independent democratic and human rights respecting Cyprus would have been fine for everyone but ho no you wanted total control to achieve gifting Cyprus to Greece.

[repulsewarrior]

...regretfully VP the Turkish State does not care for Turcophones, like Kurds, or the Armenian minority. It may be that the outcome you fear would have been realised without her influence, but the demise of a Turkish Cypriot culture is of no importance either. In a sense your assimilation by this leadership is made much easier because of your origins.

[Nikitas]

Facts are irrefutable. Since 1974, with the two sides separated the developments show how each side thinks. In the north they have adopted Turkish currency, surrendered real control to Turkey, with a mainland Turk as chief of all security forces, including the police and fire service, and brought thousands of settlers from Turkey. They not only implemented partition but also Enosis with Turkey.

In the south they reinforced their independence, maintained separation from Greece, and today the RoC is more independent and more distant politically from Greece than it was in the 60s despite being a member of the EU.

The facts tell what each side is aiming for.

[Nikitas]

As to the thread subject, the film by Angastiniotis there is the challenge issued by the man himself: where is the TC version of the TC massacres? Angastiniotis tells the story of Maratha and Tziaos. At the SAME time as these were being carried out TCs were murdering dozens of GCs in Afania. Where is the film of this incident? Sevgul Uludag has written about Afania and received threats and insults.

By the way, Angastiniotis name indicates a man who comes from the village of Angastina, which is now occupied and populated by settlers. Ironic that a man whose name shows his origins in a Greek village in the occupied north is being feted by the occupiers who forbid his return. Five middle aged men from the village are among the missing and presumed executed by Turkish troops in 1974.

[Viewpoint]

...regretfully VP the Turkish State does not care for Turcophones, like Kurds, or the Armenian minority. It may be that the outcome you fear would have been realised without her influence, but the demise of a Turkish Cypriot culture is of no importance either. In a sense your assimilation by this leadership is made much easier because of your origins.

True but whats the alternative? becoming a minority in a GC state run by GCs? no thanks I personally will take Turkish assimilation every time. If the offer is a partnership where the structure doe snot allow the GCs to push us to one side then their may be some hope otherwise while people like Pitatis want to reduce us to minority status we will be contirbuting to the CF for a long time to come.

[repulsewarrior]

...thank you VP, this is hopeful.

It depends on the two leaders right now, their strength and conviction as Cypriots.

Either way, in the years to come we, the "Greek Cypriots", and "Turkish Cypriots" will become minorities ourselves with a growing population in a European Union, and hopefully, peace in the Middle East and Africa. What is important is the island and its Heritance. For it to survive, first we must identify ourselves as Sovereign as this island's dwellers. Tearing it in two makes us plunderers, with this Legacy our certain demise.

Turkish Cypriots. if they are a People, rather than a Minority, must look at their own atrocities and to expose them
as anomolies which they regret, and which they declare are wrong, regardless of the incidences which they were made to suffer. It is an act of Unity which only serves to make them stronger, as well as more widely respected.

[CanDiaz]

...regretfully VP the Turkish State does not care for Turcophones, like Kurds, or the Armenian minority. It may be that the outcome you fear would have been realised without her influence, but the demise of a Turkish Cypriot culture is of no importance either. In a sense your assimilation by this leadership is made much easier because of your origins.

True but whats the alternative? becoming a minority in a GC state run by GCs? no thanks I personally will take Turkish assimilation every time. If the offer is a partnership where the structure doe snot allow the GCs to push us to one side then their may be some hope otherwise while people like Pitatis want to reduce us to minority status we will be contirbuting to the CF for a long time to come.

Now that Cyprus is in the EU, it would be almost impossible, I think, to have this scenario of GC's isolating any other minority. Give the EU a few more years & all people will be worrying about is if they put out their rubbish in the correct way.