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[RichardB]

What you say is true in the literal sense Paul.

But in Food safety the term Ambient is generally used for foods which do not have to be stored in the refridgerator or freezer (Low risk foods) and can be safely stored at room temperature. Room temperature (also referred to as ambient temperature) is a common term to denote a certain temperature within enclosed space at which human beings are accustomed. Room temperature is thus often indicated by general human comfort, with the common range of 18°C (64°F) to 23°C (73°F).
If anyone knows of any establishments which require a HACCP based food safety management system putting in place I will be happy to give a quote to do this or indeed to train their staff to implement and monitor the said system... (Advertising for me OK)

[paul1978]

wow just cheked by BFH is nearly 5 years old
has much changed in 5 years richard over food safety
i already have current haccp, riddor, etc etc.
does the same apply in cyprus as uk? i know its all eu and the rest of it.
but if you take scotland for example, they have higher cooking temps etc.

[murf62]

if you take scotland for example, they have higher cooking temps etc.

That's because you need to deep fry those battered Mars bars really quickly or the chocolate melts too much.

[JoJo]

I was put off the other day whilst I was waiting for my pizza with KFC. They were preparing the food without any gloves. The boys were making a salad and at the end the sqeezed orange juice over the salad. The way the juice was trickling down their hands made me queezy. I asked as to why they were wearing no gloves and was told that with HACCP there a no gloves, just washing hands. I will take the gloves please!

[Raymanoff]

i had bad food poisonging from KFC's hotwings a month ago... it was so bad i thought i would end up with permanent damage to my stomach or my mental health... no more KFC for me

[RichardB]

wow just cheked by BFH is nearly 5 years old
has much changed in 5 years richard over food safety
i already have current haccp, riddor, etc etc.
does the same apply in cyprus as uk? i know its all eu and the rest of it.
but if you take scotland for example, they have higher cooking temps etc.

Hi paul

changes have been enormous in the last few years.

By law all countries in the EU must now base their food safety legislation on the EU regulation 852/2004 which came into effect in 2005.

For example the Food Hygiene regulations (England and Wales) 1995 were superceded by new regulations in 2005 taking into account the mentioned EU regulation.

Scottish law is slightly different from the Law in Englaand and Wales but still based on the EU regulation. eg In England and Wales the reccomended minimum re-heating temperature for food is 75'c whereas in Scotland it is 82'c (interesting that this is the temperature at which spores are killed)

In my main employment as head of catering for a group of hospitals I have implemented this temperature (82) as our re-heating temp in our food safety systems (as we are dealing with vulnerable people)

Its quite a minefield now for those businesses which are not up to date with current legislation

Regards

Richard

CIEH registered training centre 58832 and CIEH Registered Trainer

[paul1978]

jo jo dont think you will find many kitchens using gloves.
what about when chefs taste the food they are cooking for you.
i think sometimes its best you dont see everything then you are not put off

[RichardB]

Jo Jo Wrote

I asked as to why they were wearing no gloves and was told that with HACCP there a no gloves, just washing hands. I will take the gloves please!

This is true jo jo as it has been proven that persons who wear gloves in a catering environment for the Service of food do not wash their hands as often as a person working barehanded

This does not apply to food manufacturing businesses ie Sandwhich making operations

[AQ]

i had bad food poisonging from KFC's hotwings a month ago... it was so bad i thought i would end up with permanent damage to my stomach or my mental health... no more KFC for me

I don't normally eat KFC. But over in Cyprus a couple of weeks ago I did to please the kids. I barely made the half hour drive back to our house. I was on the loo all afternoon with the runs.

[paul1978]

cant imagine that was the kfc AQ takes a lot longer for food to pass through the body, even with the quickest motabolism could it not have een what you had eaten earlier?