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[Nikitas]

Problem is that the Quid pro Quo mentality is the cornerstone of Turkish diplomacy. Even if the TCs want to proceed with something, the mainland Turkish pressure is for a trade. In a deadlock this approach does not work but I would like to see who will convince Turkey of this.

[repulsewarrior]

...they want a seat on the Security Council at the UN, it will become necessary quite soon for them to demonstrate their Goodwill, if they continue to have this desire.

[Viewpoint]

"A final solution", please be careful of phraseology like that!!!

Half the troops, with the same armor and air power is more than enough to keep the TRNC safe, assuming there is a threat. Like Tim points out above, the TCs move and work in the RoC with no problem at all. But then the presence of the troops is not there to keep GCs out, but to keep TCs under. And that is a problem they will have to deal with and solve by themselves.

The reason why there are no conflicts since the borders were opened is that if and when any thing happens it is clearly the fault of the other side and no one will dispute this, so neither side can risk this, being mixed is the problem no one can detect who caused the conflict and both sides blame each other as was the case in the past. The TCs that go south do not have any claims on the "RoC" they accept being foreigners, they sell their cheap labour but come home to the TRNC every night.

You've spent a great deal of time on this forum informing everyone that the dangers the tc 's face in a possible solution is one of fanatics not obeying the authorities and starting trouble again. Thereby the tc's would require extra protection from a turkish force on the island. You now claim that these fanatics have not caused any trouble because they have been following their govt's orders on a policy.

If they are curbed now why can't they be curbed then?

You still do not understand what I am saying, the division and the Turkish Army ensures that everyone behaves themselves as any incident will be clearly seen and registered, the blame will be clearly laid on the shoulders of that community whereas in the past when mixed everything was clouded and even today those incidents are blamed on the other side.

[DT.]

DT,
As far as I'm concerned, possible.

But it is always easier to say what the 'other side' should do. One way of beginning to build good faith and confidence is to suggest what one's own 'side' should offer. Thus, for example, removing the flag scarring the Besparmak/Pentadaktylos for TCs; and opening Ercan for GCs (I'm not saying these should be seen as quid pro quo)

You haven't understood what i'm saying. The airport in Tymbou will probably lead to recognition. What are the possible drawbacks for the tc's if any of those 3 get actioned by them?

Give me any 3 gc options which can be actioned with no drawback for us and you'll see its already been done.

[Viewpoint]

Kifeas,
If we've been going round and round in circles for thirty plus years and there is a steady complaint from all sides that little or no progress is being made then why not air a few ideas ?

I'm not pretending that they're guaranteed to work. If people think on this forum that this suggestion won't work then let them offer another or a variation of it. Discuss them.

You are mistaken to think that I want a recognition of the TRNC, either openly or by sleight of hand. Since I think that a major part of the Cyprus problem has been the obsession (for good reason and bad) with the recognition and non-recognition of the TRNC, we have to think of ways of working around this issue. Dealing with it head on has produced next to no progress. That being the case let's see if we can approach through addressing things in other ways.

For example, following the opening of the Lokmaci/Ledras crossing the sky did not fall in, the world did not fall apart, and the TRNC was not recognised and the Turkish military did not cause problems; but people did cross, and people did meet each other, and a little bit of extra basic human contact was encouraged. That was a good thing, surely, even if it did not resolve the Cyprus problem.

Open Varosha to its legal inhabitants
Remove Pac-man from Pentadaktylos
Repatriate 50% of the Mujahedin

Can someone explain to me what difference will it make to the tc's if these 3 things were actioned?

Losing 50% of our bargining power?