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[Kifeas]

In other words, you basically want recognition of the "TRNC" by the GCs, as a "symbolic" goodwill gesture!

No, not necessarily Kifeas. It might go that way, but it might not need to go that way. There could be a gradual settlement of Cyprus through gradual integration in the EU.

And who (which government) will operate the Tymbou (ercian) airport, if the RoC declares its opening? Under which state entity's authority its operation is going to be registered by the international civil aviation?

[CopperLine]

Good question, Kifeas. I don't know. But from my way of thinking, if we think that some progress could be made then let's try and work our way through the problem. For example, regarding Ercan, what if in the first instance Ercan were to be under RoC registration but operated by the authorities in the north, giving access to all Cypriots ? (After all even at the moment more or less anyone can come and go through Ercan). Maybe this isn't possible or viable ... OK then, let's think of something else ..... until we resolve the issue.

[Kifeas]

Good question, Kifeas. I don't know. But from my way of thinking, if we think that some progress could be made then let's try and work our way through the problem. For example, regarding Ercan, what if in the first instance Ercan were to be under RoC registration but operated by the authorities in the north, giving access to all Cypriots ? (After all even at the moment more or less anyone can come and go through Ercan). Maybe this isn't possible or viable ... OK then, let's think of something else ..... until we resolve the issue.

Copper, you often like to throw "ideas" and "suggestions," without in most cases thinking of their applicability or implementability. How can the RoC register the operation of an airport under its name, and then allow somebody else to operate it, especially if this somebody else doesn't even recognize the RoC sovereignty and jurisdiction over the area and airport, set aside accepting to have any cooperation with it (RoC!) You seem to think that everything and anything is just simple and easy. And then, what if an accident happens? Who will take the blame? Who and how will investigate it? Who will be accountable to the international civil aviation? Say it, you are just trying to promote recognition of the “TRNC” from the back door, just like the TCs do!

[Viewpoint]

Good question, Kifeas. I don't know. But from my way of thinking, if we think that some progress could be made then let's try and work our way through the problem. For example, regarding Ercan, what if in the first instance Ercan were to be under RoC registration but operated by the authorities in the north, giving access to all Cypriots ? (After all even at the moment more or less anyone can come and go through Ercan). Maybe this isn't possible or viable ... OK then, let's think of something else ..... until we resolve the issue.

Copper, you often like to throw "ideas" and "suggestions," without in most cases thinking of their applicability or implementability. How can the RoC register the operation of an airport under its name, and then allow somebody else to operate it, especially if this somebody else doesn't even recognize the RoC sovereignty and jurisdiction over the area and airport, set aside accepting to have any cooperation with it (RoC!) You seem to think that everything and anything is just simple and easy. And then, what if an accident happens? Who will take the blame? Who and how will investigate it? Who will be accountable to the international civil aviation? Say it, you are just trying to promote recognition of the “TRNC” from the back door, just like the TCs do!

If we are on the road to a solution then just as you have control and run Larnaca, why cant the TCs control and run Ercan for everyone to use? Register it under a temporary code until a solution is agreed many alternatives can be found if their is a will and vision but of course GCs do not want to take any steps that would even remotely be a voluntary compromise in favor of TCs.

[repulsewarrior]

I would recognise a "TNAC" if there was a "Greek National Assembly of Cyprus" who were equals in their Jurisdiction over the Territory where they have authority. In this case a United Republic of Cyprus can be Sovereign, our representative as a State, and the defender of our Individual Rights.

If Turkish troops were to remain, their number would be greatly limited, and they should represent themselves as a contigent not unlike the British, serving a security need which is regional, recognising the Government of Cyprus and its supreme authority over the 'usage de sol'.

[Eliko]

I think they should wait until the weather cools down a bit.

[DT.]

"A final solution", please be careful of phraseology like that!!!

Half the troops, with the same armor and air power is more than enough to keep the TRNC safe, assuming there is a threat. Like Tim points out above, the TCs move and work in the RoC with no problem at all. But then the presence of the troops is not there to keep GCs out, but to keep TCs under. And that is a problem they will have to deal with and solve by themselves.

The reason why there are no conflicts since the borders were opened is that if and when any thing happens it is clearly the fault of the other side and no one will dispute this, so neither side can risk this, being mixed is the problem no one can detect who caused the conflict and both sides blame each other as was the case in the past. The TCs that go south do not have any claims on the "RoC" they accept being foreigners, they sell their cheap labour but come home to the TRNC every night.

You've spent a great deal of time on this forum informing everyone that the dangers the tc 's face in a possible solution is one of fanatics not obeying the authorities and starting trouble again. Thereby the tc's would require extra protection from a turkish force on the island. You now claim that these fanatics have not caused any trouble because they have been following their govt's orders on a policy.

If they are curbed now why can't they be curbed then?

[CopperLine]

Kifeas,
If we've been going round and round in circles for thirty plus years and there is a steady complaint from all sides that little or no progress is being made then why not air a few ideas ?

I'm not pretending that they're guaranteed to work. If people think on this forum that this suggestion won't work then let them offer another or a variation of it. Discuss them.

You are mistaken to think that I want a recognition of the TRNC, either openly or by sleight of hand. Since I think that a major part of the Cyprus problem has been the obsession (for good reason and bad) with the recognition and non-recognition of the TRNC, we have to think of ways of working around this issue. Dealing with it head on has produced next to no progress. That being the case let's see if we can approach through addressing things in other ways.

For example, following the opening of the Lokmaci/Ledras crossing the sky did not fall in, the world did not fall apart, and the TRNC was not recognised and the Turkish military did not cause problems; but people did cross, and people did meet each other, and a little bit of extra basic human contact was encouraged. That was a good thing, surely, even if it did not resolve the Cyprus problem.

[DT.]

Kifeas,
If we've been going round and round in circles for thirty plus years and there is a steady complaint from all sides that little or no progress is being made then why not air a few ideas ?

I'm not pretending that they're guaranteed to work. If people think on this forum that this suggestion won't work then let them offer another or a variation of it. Discuss them.

You are mistaken to think that I want a recognition of the TRNC, either openly or by sleight of hand. Since I think that a major part of the Cyprus problem has been the obsession (for good reason and bad) with the recognition and non-recognition of the TRNC, we have to think of ways of working around this issue. Dealing with it head on has produced next to no progress. That being the case let's see if we can approach through addressing things in other ways.

For example, following the opening of the Lokmaci/Ledras crossing the sky did not fall in, the world did not fall apart, and the TRNC was not recognised and the Turkish military did not cause problems; but people did cross, and people did meet each other, and a little bit of extra basic human contact was encouraged. That was a good thing, surely, even if it did not resolve the Cyprus problem.

Open Varosha to its legal inhabitants
Remove Pac-man from Pentadaktylos
Repatriate 50% of the Mujahedin

Can someone explain to me what difference will it make to the tc's if these 3 things were actioned?

[CopperLine]

DT,
As far as I'm concerned, possible.

But it is always easier to say what the 'other side' should do. One way of beginning to build good faith and confidence is to suggest what one's own 'side' should offer. Thus, for example, removing the flag scarring the Besparmak/Pentadaktylos for TCs; and opening Ercan for GCs (I'm not saying these should be seen as quid pro quo)