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[miltiades]

[quote="Get Real!"

So do you plan to continue sucking their balls because they taste good anyway?[/quote]
You are not only full of hatred for America,Israel and the West, you are also full of SCATA and openly supports jihadists, so do me a favour psycho, PIENNE GAMISOU ME KANENAN ARABI, POUSTHTOMALAKA [/quote]
Yeah, sure... whatever.

So do you plan to continue sucking their balls because they taste good anyway?[/quote]

Psycho, you are full of shit, and you KNOW it

[Get Real!]

Psycho, you are full of shit, and you KNOW it

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[miltiades]

OVER AND OUT PSYCHO, YOU ARE BORING ME

[repulsewarrior]

We are a tiny island with almost half under Turkish foreign occupation, our focus should be on finding a solution that is acceptable to all Cypriots with all troops out.

Only one power can influence, even force, the departure of the Turkish army and other foreign armies. That power is none other than the USA. Cypriot hostility, by some, directed at the USA is not only detrimental to our interests but blatantly f,,ing stupid. The likes of GR who is consumed by an immense hatred of the USA, due to his illness, should try and put the interests of Cyprus above all else.

The USA is not perfect, neither is any other nation, but it is the ONLY power that can exert, demand, force and achieve the withdrawal of Turkish occupying troops.


The balance of power and geopolitical realities in our region are vastly changing, we have to make the right choices now.

...only we, as Cypriots can solve this Problem, milti, and i may add to the benefit of the rest of Mankind, as well as ourselves. Our friendship with Russia, and Syria, are assets, as in our capacity as an EU member, where in developing our relationship with the United States, we can contribute in a dialog which may be helpful to the region generally. Cypriots must stand their ground, as small as it is, it is Cypriot, Cypriots exist, and as members of the larger community of Man, if there is any Pride in being Cypriot, we must seek to better this condition because we are facilitators of exchange.

...indeed the braggarts among us (who betray what should be kept as (their Army's) secrets) surprise me not, they are braggarts after-all, because the 'war' they propose cannot be won by Armies, but by people. They should know that. The value of which cannot be measured with the superiority of their weapons, or numbers, when in the end, the cost, to them, is far more than the same efforts put to reason. Moreso because a man like Erdogan exists, reason seems to be his weakness. We are an easy target as a Tribute in a wider War (which seems, at another level his larger intention) in appeasement, if it boils down to force. We will be reduced to barren destruction if we welcome war, just look around you, our neighbours, not one of them is a 'winner'. Need i remind everyone of the proxy war played out so far? Who benefits, who are its victims? Need i remind you that Cyprus is a cross-road to three Continents? (an unsinkable battle-ship.) And it seems, as such, too important to the interlocutors, for Cyprus, to come under the exclusive influence of "one", over the others so far, when it should not "belong" to any one of them; what solution but a Cypriot solution can work?

But, it takes a Modern intention to rise above "Greekness", or "Turkishness", to rise above what Greeks and Turks have made for themselves with their History, it takes the realisation that we can defend each other, for Universal Principals, that above all we are Individuals (members of the same race, as in Humans), and Cypriots. One solution exists, and that is the Republic of Cyprus. For it to have credibility, and given the compromise (BBF), it is only possible if there exists Cypriot Constituencies as well. I ask then, where is the Greek Constituency, why not a Greek Constituency? Of course i ask, why not other Cypriot Constituencies? Why not each with the Liberty to represent a distinct identity, as Persons, if our Freedom is defined at another level of Government, as Cypriots? Is this racist? Am i a traitor to wish for a State that is a Cypriot State, rather than a Greek state that is the Cypriot State? I ask, (not necessarily going too far,) why not English as our Official Language; are we not inherently Greek, and Turkish, or Maronite, Armenian, or Latin? Is our State based on merit or a bloodline? In any case, i do not consider the Flag of Cyprus temporary, a rag, as i've learned others on this Forum do. It represents to me an aspiration far more noble than the mythic reality of Greece, and/or Turkey, for that matter. And while it remains dysfunctional, i ask you all to remember, we are all traitors by making each other enemies.

...indeed, milti, we have to make the right choices now.

@ Bir, (and bananiot), you, you got me thinking; how are you? i should have sent you Season's Greetings this year....

[Garavnoss]

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I think you should stick to watching Hollywood Westerns.

It would appear that YOUR appraisals of the US are very much the result of adoration rather than observation. You are ever apt to base your opinions from a position of military strength and political outcome rather than a "How did they get there" standpoint.

Diversity in the US is well documented when one considers the terrible amount of racial hatreds that fester across the entire nation,
the "American Dream" (as it is oft fondly called) can so clearly be the "American Nightmare" if the face does not fit .

Innovation is not necessarily a GOOD thing since the principles of it can equally be regarded as BAD (depending on which changes the innovation refers to) and if one applies it to the foregoing example (a small one) then innovation is not quite so endearing

The greatest evidence of "Contribution" to the wider world (courtesy of the Innovation of the US) is currently available to us all when we view the destruction of the Middle East, it is there that one can vividly witness the end result of the innovative actions of the US, little to be proud of I suggest.

Of course, if one is blinded by that which is filtered through to them via media sources, it would be quite wrong to dismiss the views proffered since they would be sourced from a state of limbo and

Ok garavnoss let's forget the cotton gin the airplane the industrial revolution the nuclear age the space age and the computer age. Let's just focus on race relations and the USA. All races here are killing each other in the streets endlessly..[/quote]

Can't make head or tail of what you are trying to illustrate, I just can't work it out.[/quote]

You criticed the USA with words such as :

[quoteDiversity in the US is well documented when one considers the terrible amount of racial hatreds that fester across the entire nation, ][/quote]

I would agree that in its past the USA record of racial injustice was extreme, but who can deny the changes that have occurred in the past 60 years. A complete change of attitude and an example to the rest of the world on race relations. There are still incidents, of racial discrimination but attitudes have changed.

The greatest evidence of "Contribution" to the wider world (courtesy of the Innovation of the US) is currently available to us all when we view the destruction of the Middle East, it is there that one can vividly witness the end result of the innovative actions of the US, little to be proud of I suggest

Iraq? Afghanistan?...egypt? Libya? Tunisia? They have been pushed towards a better/easier transformation...someone had to do it. The Europeans weren't willing and the USA took charge. Are you saying that these countries were better off or would be without intervention?......

["American Dream" (as it is oft fondly called) can so clearly be the "American Nightmare" if the face does not fit .
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Where everyone from around the world at one time or another has gone to the USA andneverlooked back. Where they aren't persecuted because of race, religion etc.. And have contributed immediately, and where most of the innovations come from.

Bearing in mind that this topic has wavered considerably off the subject (quite usual on this forum).

I must submit that I am quite astonished that you are still able to uphold the view that "All is well with the US" even to the extent that you are prepared to advance the opinion that Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia (you forgot to mention Iraq and others) are in some way better off thanks to American military action (or innovative action, whichever you prefer).

I can only assume that your views are based upon the supposition that "Materialism" is the only objective sought by those unfortunate enough to be living in fear of oblivion whilst the American (and other) war machines lay waste their homelands, I consider such views to be extremely narrow minded when the evidence of mass destruction (in those specific regions) is made available to us on T.V. daily.

If you REALLY believe that the mass murder of innocent civilian populations is a price that is worth paying (by the slaughtered) in order that they might emulate the Americans and adopt their way of life, you have my sympathy I can assure you.

The Middle (and Far Eastern nations) WERE and still ARE far in advance of the American (and other) antagonists when the tenets of their cultures is held to comparison, the many small pockets of resistance which currently exist throughout the regions where the forces of aggression are being contested are ALL the result of American (and other) backed military actions, sooner or later they will ALL fail and if there be any justice in the war torn world, the Black Flag of ISLAM will be fluttering over the face of the earth and there may then be "Peace on Earth"................ even in Israel.

Go ask a Palestinian how it feels to be driven out of their own country by "Terrorist Organizations".

[miltiades]

" The Middle (and Far Eastern nations) WERE and still ARE far in advance of the American (and other) antagonists when the tenets of their cultures is held to comparison, "

Never before have I read such absolute crap !!!
Give us an example of the ME superior culture "!!!

May I also add that for an educated man that you appear to be your utter naivity and comments made leave me astounded, I can only say one thing to you. What a bloody Plonker you are !!

[Paphitis]

So the USA intervened militarily in Egypt, and Tunisia?

When?

And of course Afghanistan is better off. Just ask any Afghan.

Tunisia has a democratically elected secular Government and is becomming a bit of a model country.

Iraq is without Suddam and soon DAESH will be defeated there.

But to answer you, it is not Americas job to intervene in every trouble spot. Usually all these actions were as a result of UN Resolutions and it was many countries that acted in coalition.

Maybe you should speak to the UN.

[Oceanside50]

Garavnoss you sound very short sighted in your analysis. What did Lybia iraq Afghanistan Egypt and the others have that was worth preserving before their revolutions?.. Quaddafi and sadam Husein were dictators from the 70's and 80's that butchered their own people , denied them rights etc... Same with Mubarak who filtered 80 billion while most of his citizens were living on 1 dollar a day... It seems like yousupport these dictators and their dirty deeds... The citizens of each of these countries are rising up and fighting for their rights but you , garavnoss , want them to be oppressed and civil and you continue to blame America .

[miltiades]

Garavnoss you sound very short sighted in your analysis. What did Lybia iraq Afghanistan Egypt and the others have that was worth preserving before their revolutions?.. Quaddafi and sadam Husein were dictators from the 70's and 80's that butchered their own people , denied them rights etc... Same with Mubarak who filtered 80 billion while most of his citizens were living on 1 dollar a day... It seems like yousupport these dictators and their dirty deeds... The citizens of each of these countries are rising up and fighting for their rights but you , garavnoss , want them to be oppressed and civil and you continue to blame America .

I now reveal to all !!! GaR avnoss is none other than the psycho !!!

[Garavnoss]

" The Middle (and Far Eastern nations) WERE and still ARE far in advance of the American (and other) antagonists when the tenets of their cultures is held to comparison, "

Never before have I read such absolute crap !!!
Give us an example of the ME superior culture "!!!

May I also add that for an educated man that you appear to be your utter naivity and comments made leave me astounded, I can only say one thing to you. What a bloody Plonker you are !!

One could hardly expect more than that which you advance in response to any post which would criticise your heroes (the Americans), neither would one expect anything other than to be tagged a "Plonker" by any that would oppose your pathetic views. It would seem that such a word is an indispensable part of your vocabulary (as with other certain vulgarities) and , as such, I can accept your tag with a certain good grace since it places me in the ranks of the majority that dare to advance an opinion which does not concur with yours.

In defence of my position, I would like to mention that "I" have never found it necessary to apply to my fellow man for an assurance that I am not a "Traitor".

I would advise you to seek companionship elsewhere, your captive entourage on this forum are ALL dancing to the same tune, you will learn very little from those who are constantly in agreement with you since most of their views are the end product of the same source from which you obtain the information which forms your own.