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[Paphitis]

So here we have 2 rambling idiots that think the USA considers Cyprus anything let alone an enemy.

This is what they think of you - they think you're all idiots of the highest order who are far too passionate, disorganized and irrational.

In the old days Cypriot peasants would gather in the Kafeneio and blame the world's woes in the USA without fail. For them, they believed that the USA was the patriarch of the capitalist world so all it was all about Lefty against evil Righty. Yes it was friggin stupid and childish but what do you expect from people with no education and who have never left Cyprus.

You all thought Americans were evil Cannabis smoking Cowboys with a gun fetish and you all thought they would turn Cyprus into a brothel.

Stupid idiots!

[B25]

With all due respect Paphiti, but you cannot deny any of these that GR posted.

1. The American position is that the CNG is embargoed from purchasing US weapons and technology to appease Turkey.

2. The American position is that crucial UN resolutions pertaining to Cyprus need not be enforced to facilitate Turkey’s illegal stay on Cyprus.

3. The American position is to give considerable sums of “aid” to Turkey annually while Cyprus gets zero.

4. The American position is to evade any official condemnation of Turkey’s Armenian massacre.

5. The American position is to embargo and destroy Cyprus’ trading partners including Russia and Syria

Peasants? You have been away too long mate, Cyprus has the highest ration of degree educated persons EU wide, the mentality you mention went out in the '60s, you get to get up to date.

We are where we are with the Cyprob, because that is what the US/UK want, pure and simple. Unfortunately for us we don't have the required politicians with balls to do much else than to pander to their demands. FFS, if you can't see this then we have no hope.

[Garavnoss]

You all thought Americans were evil Cannabis smoking Cowboys with a gun fetish and you all thought they would turn Cyprus into a brothel.

Not a totally inaccurate description of the average American G.I's. attitude and not too far out regarding the "Brothel" comment either, one could cite the Cuban situation as a prime example of the latter and the Far Eastern nations have also been greatly influenced by the introduction of Western culture.

Strangely enough, some of the most successful "Box Office" attractions depict precisely that which you highlight (the Americans seem to relish portraying their shortcomings on film) problem is, one has to be equipped with the mental capacity to recognize it and THAT is quite difficult unless one has lived among it and observed the changes which have degraded once respectable cultures, sadly our small Cypriot island and it's once united close knit community has become yet another example of the aforementioned influence.

[Paphitis]

You all thought Americans were evil Cannabis smoking Cowboys with a gun fetish and you all thought they would turn Cyprus into a brothel.

Not a totally inaccurate description of the average American G.I's. attitude and not too far out regarding the "Brothel" comment either, one could cite the Cuban situation as a prime example of the latter and the Far Eastern nations have also been greatly influenced by the introduction of Western culture.

Strangely enough, some of the most successful "Box Office" attractions depict precisely that which you highlight (the Americans seem to relish portraying their shortcomings on film) problem is, one has to be equipped with the mental capacity to recognize it and THAT is quite difficult unless one has lived among it and observed the changes which have degraded once respectable cultures, sadly our small Cypriot island and it's once united close knit community has become yet another example of the aforementioned influence.

The USA is a diverse country and very innovative. Their contribution to the world is huge.

I think you should stick to watching Hollywood Westerns.

[Paphitis]

With all due respect Paphiti, but you cannot deny any of these that GR posted.

1. The American position is that the CNG is embargoed from purchasing US weapons and technology to appease Turkey.

2. The American position is that crucial UN resolutions pertaining to Cyprus need not be enforced to facilitate Turkey’s illegal stay on Cyprus.

3. The American position is to give considerable sums of “aid” to Turkey annually while Cyprus gets zero.

4. The American position is to evade any official condemnation of Turkey’s Armenian massacre.

5. The American position is to embargo and destroy Cyprus’ trading partners including Russia and Syria

Peasants? You have been away too long mate, Cyprus has the highest ration of degree educated persons EU wide, the mentality you mention went out in the '60s, you get to get up to date.

We are where we are with the Cyprob, because that is what the US/UK want, pure and simple. Unfortunately for us we don't have the required politicians with balls to do much else than to pander to their demands. FFS, if you can't see this then we have no hope.

Yes B25, things are improving no end and there are literally thousands of Cypriots who even think that the USA is the Duck's Nuts.

Everything is progressing well and many Cypriots are educated in the US.

You got to remember that Cyprus has dictated America's response for over 4 decades now. They literally are unable to arm the CNG because it is a non NATO member. That is a policy decision taken by Makarios and the RoC only had a 3 year window to alter course between 1960 to 1963.

They had another opportunity when the Americans asked for a base in Cyprus. It was declined.

The USA has also armed Greece to the teeth but the difference is they are a NATO member.

Every country dictates it's own direction.

Australia for instance has a policy of close cooperation and alliance with USA. Our military has access to all the hardware and if it were invaded, you can bet that Americans will be present to deal with it just like they have always been there since ww2.

[boomerang]

My 2 cents on this...we bet on the wrong horse and lost fair and square....blaming others for betting on the wrong horse is history in perpetuity...what more proof is needed...all is here in this thread and in year 2015...

[Oceanside50]

The USA since the invasion of 74 has called for the withdrawal of turk troops from Cyprus. Many presidents, Vice Presidents senators and governors have called for the withdrawal of turk troops from Cyprus. After the invasion in 74 a military embargo was imposed on turkey by the American congress. The embargo was lifted after 2 years when the Greek and Cyprus lobby agreed to a 7 to 10 ratio in military assistance to Greece and turkey. The embargo against Cyprus was also part of the deal. Nevertheless looking to Russia for salvation against turkey is a fools game.

[Paphitis]

The USA since the invasion of 74 has called for the withdrawal of turk troops from Cyprus. Many presidents, Vice Presidents senators and governors have called for the withdrawal of turk troops from Cyprus. After the invasion in 74 a military embargo was imposed on turkey by the American congress. The embargo was lifted after 2 years when the Greek and Cyprus lobby agreed to a 7 to 10 ratio in military assistance to Greece and turkey. The embargo against Cyprus was also part of the deal. Nevertheless looking to Russia for salvation against turkey is a fools game.

Boomers described it best by saying we bet on the wrong horse and lost. It's true and isn't any rocket science here.

And we have paid a heavy price for it but back then, the stakes were high and they were never gonna get pushed around by a little ant like Cyprus when every Western city had a Russian ICBM with its name on it.

What I don't understand is how the hell did Makarios and a few Cypriot Peasants even try to play along with the non aligned movement and the Eastern Block? What the hell did they think they would achieve?

Where the hell were the Russians? Face it, Cyprus was a little lawn of Russia in its bigger end game in trying to spark a war between Greece and Turkey.

We were a little expendable pawn!

And Makarios was stupid enough to play with this fire and got done over - big time.

In the end, Russia failed because the Americans were successful in stopping this war between Greece and Turkey and the Russians didn't come to our aid. As if they are going to trigger WW3 over Cyprus.

[boomerang]

Actually paphitis because we thought we were the center of the universe we were playing both sites to an extend....the US stopped the turks twice....then in 74 with the help of both so called motherlands brought us where we are today, still unable to comprehend....

Today the winning site, read US, has the best of both worlds...

The proof to all this is, had cyprus commited to ether site we would not have lost half the country...see cuba for example, ok they also bet on the wrong horse as it turned out, but the difference is they commited....

[Oceanside50]

The head of AKEL (over40%of the population)..in those days Ioannou had Makarios ear. Ioannou had close ties to the soviets and was their pawn in Cyprus. What the soviets wanted went through Ioannou to Makarios which swayed him towards the nonalignment camp, with the likes of Nasser, Mao and Castro. Many youths in those days were taken to the eastern bloc and indoctrinated into communism and anti western ism)like the former prez Christofias. Being anti west and anti American came from that portion of the population. How could Makarios allow the Americans a base in Cyprus when the core of his electorate was anti American and anti nato. It got to the point that when the turks were invading, many Cypriots were made to believe the soviets would stop them.