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[soyer]

Reason I became member to CyForum is not for animation of past or involve in worthless argument. I am here for affirmative direction debate, in order to continue I suggest we go true and examine all related documents one at the time point by point,
Importing so many document in one go looks like you trying to create a confusion, because you know 1915 genocide is nothing more then a big Armenian TALE.

Even more from the Danish Archives
DOCUMENT 5
1916-03-14-DK-001
The minister in Constantinople (Carl Ellis Wandel) to the foreign
minister (Erik Scavenius)
Source : Danish National Archives, Foreign Office, Group Cases
1909-1945. Dept. 139, Gr. N, No. 1, "Armenia"
1 enclosure.
No. LVIII [58]
Constantinople, March 14, 1916.
Mr Foreign Minister,
In continuation of my report No. LIV [54] dated the 10th of this
month concerning the persecutions of the Armenians, I have the honor
to report that the latest pieces of information received here state
that the general removal of the Armenian population, which has already
taken place in all the other Vilayets of Asia Minor except for the
Vilayet Aidin (Smyrna), has now also begun in the Vilayet of Castamuni,
in which the Armenians hitherto have not been disturbed.
The governor of the Vilayet of Castamuni, who has not used the
authority given to him to have the Armenian population removed,
has been dismissed, and in his place the governor up till now of the
Vilayet of Angora, who has been more zealous, has been appointed.
I use the opportunity to send an enclosed official announcement from
today concerning the execution of 4 Armenians, who were hanged in
Stambul yesterday morning.
With the highest esteem I remain, Mr. Minister, yours faithfully
[Wandel]
Enclosure : "Lloyd Ottoman", March 14, 1916 :
Pendaisons

Since I can not go true all your post at this point I will go true your very last post and disregard rest if you like you can biring them one at the time later.

Thank you for bring forth this DOCUMENT
you ref: DOCUMENT 5
Constantinople, March 14, 1916.
first we must take a note on date March 14, 1916. well after your genocide claim date, at this point Turks must have been very much involve in killing 1.5 million according to you, in fact writer indicates that Turkish Government in İstanbul ( Constantinople) was busy taken countermeasures to protect Armanian community as you can see on provided document by you ( The governor of the Vilayet of Castamuni, who has not used the authority given to him to have the Armenian population removed, has been dismissed,)

FALSIFIED ARMANIAN GENOCIDE 1915
From your DOCUMENT:
"which the Armenians hitherto (up until now)have not been disturbed (spiritually)" 1916.

So where was Armenian Genocide in 1916. One year after Genocide began Armanians in Turkey didn't know nothing.

WHO CAN KNOW BETTER THEN ARMENIANS LIVE-IN TURKEY 1916

Now we come to last paragraph of your Danish document

"official announcement from today concerning the execution of 4 Armenians, who were hanged in Stambul yesterday morning."

One must ask why this 4 Armenians hanged:?: what for what they have done serious crime persecutions murder cannibalism for answer we must go in to Turkish archives, openly we can see that those people sentence by law court and official announcement send to foreign diplomats.

Now I ask:
IS THIS A GENUINE GENOCIDE or FALSIFIED GENOCIDE

[CopperLine]

1. In what meaningful sense can those who were not yet born apologise or be held responsible for an act/s that they did not commit ?


2. Genocide denial should not be illegalised either.Genocides like any other historical events should be demonstrated by historical evidence not by legislative fiat.

[DT.]

1. In what meaningful sense can those who were not yet born apologise or be held responsible for an act/s that they did not commit ?


2. Genocide denial should not be illegalised either.Genocides like any other historical events should be demonstrated by historical evidence not by legislative fiat.

in the same manner that Turkey is clutching at the only straws possible of a few hundred people of both communities being killed in the 60's as reason to hold our homes today. The "wrongs" of 100 or so maniacs is being used today to keep me....someone born way after the 60's away from my home.

I'd like to hear the difference copperline.

What of the 1000's killed much more recently in 74? Who is to apologise? Ecevit? That mongrel is burning in hell right now, how will he apologise?

[Viewpoint]

1. In what meaningful sense can those who were not yet born apologise or be held responsible for an act/s that they did not commit ?


2. Genocide denial should not be illegalised either.Genocides like any other historical events should be demonstrated by historical evidence not by legislative fiat.

in the same manner that Turkey is clutching at the only straws possible of a few hndred people of boith communities being killed in the 60's as reason to hold our homes today. The "wrongs" of 100 or so maniacs is being used today to keep me....someone born way after the 60's away from my home.

I'd like to hear the difference copperline.

Look at it this way, you are paying for your sins and only you can help yourself.

[CopperLine]

DT,
I don't understand what you are getting at ....?

I'm saying, for example, that I cannot hold you responsible for what your grandfather did. I, in turn, am hardly accountable for what my great grandmother did.

[DT.]

1. In what meaningful sense can those who were not yet born apologise or be held responsible for an act/s that they did not commit ?


2. Genocide denial should not be illegalised either.Genocides like any other historical events should be demonstrated by historical evidence not by legislative fiat.

in the same manner that Turkey is clutching at the only straws possible of a few hndred people of boith communities being killed in the 60's as reason to hold our homes today. The "wrongs" of 100 or so maniacs is being used today to keep me....someone born way after the 60's away from my home.

I'd like to hear the difference copperline.

Look at it this way, you are paying for your sins and only you can help yourself.

Seems to that you are the one paying right now vp.

Your sins of killing, raping and torturing. Sicko

[DT.]

DT,
I don't understand what you are getting at ....?

I'm saying, for example, that I cannot hold you responsible for what your grandfather did. I, in turn, am hardly accountable for what my great grandmother did.

So what is the reason that turkey is holding 200,000 refugees and their kin away from their homes today?

[CopperLine]

DT,
We know the reasons for your question ....Turkish leadership claimed it was a peace operation/ treaty obligation/ duty to protect TCs/ to protect fellow Turks/ to continue to provide security/ to prevent return to horrors of 60s/70s ... all the usual stuff. Whether these reasons are persuasive or not doesn't seem to have much bearing on whether a person of a future generation can meaningfully be held accountable for the actions of a person of a past generation.

[Oracle]

Yes but governments of countries can be held accountable ....

[CopperLine]

There are several parts to these issues.

First, can and should historical judgments be made by legislative assemblies. Second, can and should denial of a historical event or process warrant a criminal outlawing ?
Third, can and should the burden of responsibility of an action carried out by a long dead person or parties be placed on the shoulders of current or future persons. And what effect would such a burden actually result in ?
Fourth, governments come and go each denying responsibility for actions of its predecessors. On what basis and with what effect should we expect today's government to accept liability for actions of long previous governments ?