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Swedish parliament refuses to recognize Armenian Genocide

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Postby DT. » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:45 am

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bill cobbett wrote:Welcome to the forum new member Soyer. Any chance of shoving that crappy flag up your bum please?


You welcome shoving your flag up your bum where and when ever you like if you don't have respect to it or if is not a honorable flag.



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Why would you be happy living under a turkish flag? All that red in the morning would be very disturbing to the eyes.
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Postby soyer » Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:56 pm

Reason I became member to CyForum is not for animation of past or involve in worthless argument. I am here for affirmative direction debate, in order to continue I suggest we go true and examine all related documents one at the time point by point,
Importing so many document in one go looks like you trying to create a confusion, because you know 1915 genocide is nothing more then a big Armenian TALE.

ARMENIAN CYPRIOT wrote:Even more from the Danish Archives
DOCUMENT 5
1916-03-14-DK-001
The minister in Constantinople (Carl Ellis Wandel) to the foreign
minister (Erik Scavenius)
Source : Danish National Archives, Foreign Office, Group Cases
1909-1945. Dept. 139, Gr. N, No. 1, "Armenia"
1 enclosure.
No. LVIII [58]
Constantinople, March 14, 1916.
Mr Foreign Minister,
In continuation of my report No. LIV [54] dated the 10th of this
month concerning the persecutions of the Armenians, I have the honor
to report that the latest pieces of information received here state
that the general removal of the Armenian population, which has already
taken place in all the other Vilayets of Asia Minor except for the
Vilayet Aidin (Smyrna), has now also begun in the Vilayet of Castamuni,
in which the Armenians hitherto have not been disturbed.
The governor of the Vilayet of Castamuni, who has not used the
authority given to him to have the Armenian population removed,
has been dismissed, and in his place the governor up till now of the
Vilayet of Angora, who has been more zealous, has been appointed.
I use the opportunity to send an enclosed official announcement from
today concerning the execution of 4 Armenians, who were hanged in
Stambul yesterday morning.
With the highest esteem I remain, Mr. Minister, yours faithfully
[Wandel]
Enclosure : "Lloyd Ottoman", March 14, 1916 :
Pendaisons


Since I can not go true all your post at this point I will go true your very last post and disregard rest if you like you can biring them one at the time later.

Thank you for bring forth this DOCUMENT
you ref: DOCUMENT 5
Constantinople, March 14, 1916.
first we must take a note on date March 14, 1916. well after your genocide claim date, at this point Turks must have been very much involve in killing 1.5 million according to you, in fact writer indicates that Turkish Government in İstanbul ( Constantinople) was busy taken countermeasures to protect Armanian community as you can see on provided document by you ( The governor of the Vilayet of Castamuni, who has not used the authority given to him to have the Armenian population removed, has been dismissed,)

FALSIFIED ARMANIAN GENOCIDE 1915
From your DOCUMENT:
"which the Armenians hitherto (up until now)have not been disturbed (spiritually)" 1916.

So where was Armenian Genocide in 1916. One year after Genocide began Armanians in Turkey didn't know nothing.

WHO CAN KNOW BETTER THEN ARMENIANS LIVE-IN TURKEY 1916 :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

Now we come to last paragraph of your Danish document

"official announcement from today concerning the execution of 4 Armenians, who were hanged in Stambul yesterday morning."

One must ask why this 4 Armenians hanged:?: what for :?: what they have done :?: serious crime :?: persecutions :?: murder :?: cannibalism :?: for answer we must go in to Turkish archives, openly we can see that those people sentence by law court and official announcement send to foreign diplomats. :!:

Now I ask:
IS THIS A GENUINE GENOCIDE or FALSIFIED GENOCIDE :?:
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:59 pm

soyer wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Welcome to the forum new member Soyer. Any chance of shoving that crappy flag up your bum please?


You welcome shoving your flag up your bum where and when ever you like if you don't have respect to it or if is not a honorable flag.



HAPPINESS, LIVE UNDER TURKISH FLAG.


HAPPINESS - WIPE YOUR BUM WITH IT ! :P
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:02 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
soyer wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Welcome to the forum new member Soyer. Any chance of shoving that crappy flag up your bum please?


You welcome shoving your flag up your bum where and when ever you like if you don't have respect to it or if is not a honorable flag.



HAPPINESS, LIVE UNDER TURKISH FLAG.


HAPPINESS - WIPE YOUR BUM WITH IT ! :P


Whats your problem?, you must be feel real proud of yourself.
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Postby ARMENIAN CYPRIOT » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:08 pm

If it helps you sleep at night dont admit it.
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:13 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
soyer wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Welcome to the forum new member Soyer. Any chance of shoving that crappy flag up your bum please?


You welcome shoving your flag up your bum where and when ever you like if you don't have respect to it or if is not a honorable flag.



HAPPINESS, LIVE UNDER TURKISH FLAG.


HAPPINESS - WIPE YOUR BUM WITH IT ! :P


Whats your problem?, you must be feel real proud of yourself.


I do not like the shitty RoT flag VP. Now that's not really a problem, as you foolishly call it. Flags are symbols - what does the RoT flag symbolise? What does it stand for ? Cruel invasion, shooting prisoners of war in the back, raping civilians, 34 years of illegal occupation, no respect for human rights, no respect for free speech, imprisonment of journalists and publishers and so on and so on....

Bottom line - it's a crap country with a crap flag. Now you can go and wipe you cum with it. GOT IT TOSSER ?
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Postby ARMENIAN CYPRIOT » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:16 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
soyer wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Welcome to the forum new member Soyer. Any chance of shoving that crappy flag up your bum please?


You welcome shoving your flag up your bum where and when ever you like if you don't have respect to it or if is not a honorable flag.



HAPPINESS, LIVE UNDER TURKISH FLAG.


HAPPINESS - WIPE YOUR BUM WITH IT ! :P


Whats your problem?, you must be feel real proud of yourself.


I do not like the shitty RoT flag VP. Now that's not really a problem, as you foolishly call it. Flags are symbols - what does the RoT flag symbolise? What does it stand for ? Cruel invasion, shooting prisoners of war in the back, raping civilians, 34 years of illegal occupation, no respect for human rights, no respect for free speech, imprisonment of journalists and publishers and so on and so on....

Bottom line - it's a crap country with a crap flag. Now you can go and wipe you cum with it. GOT IT TOSSER ?

VP if you do I Promise I will give Turkey the highest vote for Eurovision. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby CopperLine » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:14 pm

In and around 1915 there were mass killings of Armenians mainly in eastern Anatolia which could be called a genocide, could be called massacres, could be called exterminations, could be described in a range of ways. For what it is worth, I think the term genocide is as appropriate as any. Someone else may give the phenomena or events a different name. It is a matter of debate.

What is wrong in principle and wrong in effect is the attempt to legislate an authorised view of history. I think there was a genocide of Armenians but I think that it completely wrong that legislative assemblies take it upon themselves to determine what is 'correct' or 'incorrect' history. Neither the 'big' historical events - good or bad - nor the minute historical events should be subject to legislative authorisation.

A number of people, including historians, working to make more people aware of the holocaust are similarly opposed to the making of holocaust denial a criminal offence. Historical analysis cannot and should not be determined in the courtroom.
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Postby Oracle » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:25 pm

It's the denial that is the crime ... there is no attempt to make history accountable .. only governments' denials'.

If Turkey had not been so obstinate thinking she could rewrite history by simply saying it did not happen ... it would have all died down by now ...

It's the reason murderers get punished ... not because their crime has been "re-written" by the passing of a sentence ... but an admission of guilt shows some degree of responsibility.
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Postby DT. » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:55 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
soyer wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Welcome to the forum new member Soyer. Any chance of shoving that crappy flag up your bum please?


You welcome shoving your flag up your bum where and when ever you like if you don't have respect to it or if is not a honorable flag.



HAPPINESS, LIVE UNDER TURKISH FLAG.


HAPPINESS - WIPE YOUR BUM WITH IT ! :P


Whats your problem?, you must be feel real proud of yourself.


pretty much convinced now that vp is letting someone else use his login.
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