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Postby Alexandros Lordos » Fri Apr 29, 2005 11:40 pm

insan wrote:I'm planning to make a deep research about Cyprus problem.


I am very glad to hear this! Just like I was glad to see the kind of work turkcyp is doing. This is all proof of the value that forums like this one have, in inspiring GCs and TCs to find new ways to approach each other.

By the way, are you a historian by profession? You certainly have the mindset of a historian.

insan wrote:I believe that for a better understanding of the events of 1960-63, I need to well examine the previous period from 1942 to 1960. Then I'll start examining the post-independence period.



Yes, you are absolutely right - the roots must be examined. If you want to be REALLY adventurous, how about considering the effect which the transfer of Cyprus to the British (in 1878) had on the relations of the two communities? Or even more interesting, how about examining the genesis of the TC community as well? All this could be part of your introduction ...

insan wrote:After the research and interview process that I think it will take some 6 months; we can come together to start making the documentary of Cyprus problem.


Sure, OK.

insan wrote:Ps1: Nice to hear that you had a new baby. I wish him or her a healthy, happy, peaceful and prosperous life.


It's a her :) - and thank you for your wishes - I thank Bananiot also, and everyone else who has wished my family well. As Bananiot wished, let's hope that soon we can all enjoy peaceful social relations as compatriots of a United Cyprus, rather than as the antagonists in a drawn out and largely meaningless dispute. Then we can more easily visit each other, be friends in real life and not just on the internet, and together watch our children grow ...
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Postby Bananiot » Sat Apr 30, 2005 9:06 am

Touching thought Alexandros. Let us wish our children a better future in Cyprus. Our generation was marked by bloodshed, hatred and suspicion. In fact events have led to distortion of mind and thought. The unreal became the norm in the minds of many people, meaning that litterally we have lost 42 years of our lives.
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Postby insan » Sat Apr 30, 2005 10:58 am

I am very glad to hear this! Just like I was glad to see the kind of work turkcyp is doing. This is all proof of the value that forums like this one have, in inspiring GCs and TCs to find new ways to approach each other.


Actually any kind of inter-action inspire me to find new ways to approach each other. If I haven't had language handicaps with Greek and English; I'd do much more. For instance when I first visited my Grand dad's village(Alaminos) many people(veterans, refugees and non veterans) showed a nice hospitality, friendly, smiley face to me and the other TC visitors which some of them were the pre-74 TC inhabitants of Alaminos and some were the new generation of descendants of those TCs who were born in North and never seen the village of their ancestors.

Although the hospitality of those villagers that we met impressed me very much and stimulate me to communicate with them; I had hard times to communicate with them in English. We the TCs were 30 visitors bu just one old TC man and a women knew to speak and understand Greek. The old TC man was a 65 y.o Alaminion who chated with his GC friends for hours and helped us a lot for translations.

As I said the friendly behaviours and smiley faces of the villagers who we met impressed me a lot and urge me to communicate with them but I mostly failed. I many times intended to visit those villagers with an aim of improving my relationships with them but then I give up because of the language barrier I and they have.

By the way, are you a historian by profession? You certainly have the mindset of a historian.


No I'm not a historian but I have a deep interest for history. Especially history of Cyprus.


Yes, you are absolutely right - the roots must be examined. If you want to be REALLY adventurous, how about considering the effect which the transfer of Cyprus to the British (in 1878) had on the relations of the two communities? Or even more interesting, how about examining the genesis of the TC community as well? All this could be part of your introduction ...



I'm planing to examine those events which you refered and some other issues as well but as you know the written documents and publications of pre-1920s are all written in Arabic. Although there are some books and studies related to pre-1920s period of TC history but examining those existed studies wouldn't be a first hand experience for me to analyze the events of pre-1920s Cyprus and TC community.

Just a few years ago, I experienced studying the daily events of Turkey on the then Turkish newspapers, from 1920s to the present time. It was so amazing and this study gave me the opportunity to analyze and understand many things about Turkey and Turks far better. However there wasn't much about Cyprus in the then Turkish press. Everything I red about Cyprus in the then Turkish press was either known to me or gave no clue about the social, economical, political, psychological state of TC community and Cyprus.



It's a her - and thank you for your wishes - I thank Bananiot also, and everyone else who has wished my family well. As Bananiot wished, let's hope that soon we can all enjoy peaceful social relations as compatriots of a United Cyprus, rather than as the antagonists in a drawn out and largely meaningless dispute. Then we can more easily visit each other, be friends in real life and not just on the internet, and together watch our children grow ...


You, bananiot, turkcyp, jimmy and many other active Cypriot members on this forum speak English as good as your mother language. I have a big language handicap when compared with your language skills. I have to choose my friends among the ones who have an intermediate level of English and at the same match with my characteristics until I improve my English speaking skills to an advanced level. Otherwise I don't think I will be able to deepen and strengthen my relationships with you, bananiot, cannedmoose and jimmy even though we have so many things in common. Upgrading my English speaking skill won't take too long, I think but learning Greek and speaking it at an advance level would take too long, perhaps I will never speak Greek at an adavanced level.

My language handicap is really the biggest obstacle before me to have good relationships with GCs and I'm really very sad about it. Two years ago when the "RoC" anounced the free Greek-Turkish courses, I was excited so much and intended to attend those course but unfortunately I couldn't find a job in Cyprus and returned to Turkey. Now soon I'll be in Cyprus and give it a try one more time. I hope everything goes well, I can permemnantly stay in Cyprus and have good social relationships with some GCs.
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Postby Kifeas » Sat Apr 30, 2005 11:14 am

Insan wrote:You, bananiot, turkcyp, jimmy and many other active Cypriot members on this forum speak English as good as your mother language. I have a big language handicap when compared with your language skills. I have to choose my friends among the ones who have an intermediate level of English and at the same match with my characteristics until I improve my English speaking skills to an advanced level. Otherwise I don't think I will be able to deepen and strengthen my relationships with you, bananiot, cannedmoose and jimmy even though we have so many things in common. Upgrading my English speaking skill won't take too long, I think but learning Greek and speaking it at an advance level would take too long, perhaps I will never speak Greek at an adavanced level.

My language handicap is really the biggest obstacle before me to have good relationships with GCs and I'm really very sad about it. Two years ago when the "RoC" anounced the free Greek-Turkish courses, I was excited so much and intended to attend those course but unfortunately I couldn't find a job in Cyprus and returned to Turkey. Now soon I'll be in Cyprus and give it a try one more time. I hope everything goes well, I can permemnantly stay in Cyprus and have good social relationships with some GCs.


Are you kidding us Insan, or what?
Then who is translating and typing all these things that you are posting here if your English is as average as you describe them above?
Your postings show a person with an advanced level of English mastering! :wink:
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Postby insan » Sat Apr 30, 2005 11:51 am

Kifeas wrote:
Insan wrote:You, bananiot, turkcyp, jimmy and many other active Cypriot members on this forum speak English as good as your mother language. I have a big language handicap when compared with your language skills. I have to choose my friends among the ones who have an intermediate level of English and at the same match with my characteristics until I improve my English speaking skills to an advanced level. Otherwise I don't think I will be able to deepen and strengthen my relationships with you, bananiot, cannedmoose and jimmy even though we have so many things in common. Upgrading my English speaking skill won't take too long, I think but learning Greek and speaking it at an advance level would take too long, perhaps I will never speak Greek at an adavanced level.

My language handicap is really the biggest obstacle before me to have good relationships with GCs and I'm really very sad about it. Two years ago when the "RoC" anounced the free Greek-Turkish courses, I was excited so much and intended to attend those course but unfortunately I couldn't find a job in Cyprus and returned to Turkey. Now soon I'll be in Cyprus and give it a try one more time. I hope everything goes well, I can permemnantly stay in Cyprus and have good social relationships with some GCs.


Are you kidding us Insan, or what?
Then who is translating and typing all these things that you are posting here if your English is as average as you describe them above?
Your postings show a person with an advanced level of English mastering! :wink:


Thanks for your nice words, Kifeas. Yes, with help of an advanced dictionary and litlle bit of thinking before writing; my English may give you an impression that I have an average++ level of English but I'm not as good when speaking English. The only advance thing with my English is the pronounciation of the English words. Even this is too, a big problem for me when speaking English with a GC because they speak English with an accent that is too unfamiliar to me. :)
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Postby Othellos » Sat Apr 30, 2005 12:14 pm

Perhaps I disagree with some of the things that you write from time to time, but I too think that your written English is extremely good, Insan. For your own sake try not be so modest :wink:

Good luck with finding a steady job - I know that it can be hard and frustrating to be without one.

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Postby insan » Sat Apr 30, 2005 12:26 pm

Othellos wrote:Perhaps I disagree with some of the things that you write from time to time, but I too think that your written English is extremely good, Insan. For your own sake try not be so modest :wink:

Good luck with finding a steady job - I know that it can be hard and frustrating to be without one.

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Thanks O. :)
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Postby metecyp » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:52 pm

insan wrote:Thanks for your nice words, Kifeas. Yes, with help of an advanced dictionary and litlle bit of thinking before writing; my English may give you an impression that I have an average++ level of English but I'm not as good when speaking English.

Are you serious? I always thought you lived in England or something and that's why you write in English so well. I can't imagine someone writing perfect English and not being able to speak it that well.
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Postby Kifeas » Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:12 pm

Is anyone aware of a Turkish – English text translating software, similar to the ones like worldlingo, altavista, etc? I know InterTran company (http://www.tranexp.com) has tried something but it doesn’t work properly. Actually it doesn’t work at all.

I made numerous searches on the internet but, although I found for many languages including Greek, I didn’t find anything for Turkish.
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Postby Saint Jimmy » Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:15 pm

insan wrote:with help of an advanced dictionary and litlle bit of thinking before writing

You actually go into the trouble of using a dictionary? :shock:
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(The 'bit of thinking before writing' part is more than obvious! :wink: )
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