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[halil]

Yes Kikapu here is the information for you and others about presential palace of Talat .

The History of the TRNC Presidency Building:

The Presidency building was built in 1939 by architect Macartney for the British
Commissioner in Nicosia. It was positioned on the Quirini Tower, which is also known
as the Arsenal Tower due to the fact that guns used to be fired from this tower
during the Ottoman period. The plan of the building, on the tower in the Turkish
neighborhood of the Nicosia walls, was inspired from the shape of the tower.

The building served as the residence of Dr. Fazil Kucuk, who was the Deputy
President of the 1960 Cyprus Republic.

The administrative offices of the Deputy Presidency, which were in Southern Nicosia,
were transferred to the buildings built on the city walls between the Arsenal tower
and the Kyrenia Gate. The residence of Dr. Fazıl Kucuk was used as the office of the
community leader, until the establishment of the Turkish Cypriot Federated State,
and later as the Presidential Palace.

The additional building at the Presidential Palace was built in the 1980s to serve
as a residence. Thus, the Presidential Palace and its offices were spread on the
Venetian walls as the extension of the historical commissariat building.

The Presidential Palace also served as the Prime Ministry building at one time. The
first prime minister of the Turkish Cypriot Federated State used the Presidential
Palace as his offices until today's Prime Ministry building was built.

The broadcasts of the Bayrak Radio and Television also began at the Presidency
building in Dr. Fazil Kucuk's garage.

The Presidential Palace also served as a shelter for the Turkish Cypriots who had to
flee their houses in 1963.


The TRNC Presidency Building to be Renovated

The Presidential Palace is being redesigned to gather all the administrative offices
that are currently scattered, into a single building.

The new administrative building will include the offices situated currently in the
one-storey buildings on the Nicosia walls and other buildings in the neighborhood.
The Presidential office, the residence, some offices and the security departments
will remain outside the new building complex. An area of 16,532 feet square (1,536
meter square) has been expropriated for the new administrative building. A
competition will be held for the architectural project.

Within the framework of restructuring, all the one-storey buildings, which harbour
the security, transformer and similar facilities in the area where the President's
office and residence is, will be cleaned up. The landscape and garden will also be
redesigned.

The building on the city walls, which is currently the administrative building, will
be demolished and replaced by a car park with a 55-60-car capacity.

There also are plans to rearrange the traffic in the area and the town.

Gunal Ozogul, the Director of the Presidency, spoke to the TAK news agency about the
project. Ozogul said that the main goal is to situate all buildings under one
ceiling and get rid of the current scattered scene. "We are aiming at a Presidential
administrative building complex, which integrates well with the rest of the
buildings, which is in harmony with the environment, and which is connected with the
town," said Ozogul.

Ozogul said that the rooms in the administrative building are very small and
underlined that the Presidential departments will have at least twice as much area
in the new building. He added that the parking problem will also be solved with the
new project.

An area between the Salahattin Sonat Street and the Tanzimat Street has been
expropriated for the construction of the new administrative building. Ozogul said
that an area of 16,532 feet square, which is equal to 17 building lots, has been
confiscated. He added that all the buildings within that area, except two historic
buildings, will be demolished.

Ozogul stated that the new building will be in harmony with the two historic
buildings and the Presidential Palace. Ekrem Bodamyalizade, the head of the Chamber
of Architects, said that the historic importance of the tower, on which the
Presidential premises are, will also be taken into consideration.

A competition has been launched for the selection of the project to redesign the
Presidential premises. The competition began on 12 April 2007 and will end on 12
July 2007.

Bodamyalizade said that the new building may be a completely modern building with
subtle touches from the old times.

The participants, besides proposing a new building complex, are asked to "preserve
the historic buildings and trees in the area; to remove the one-storey buildings on
the city walls and replace them with a car park, redesign the landscape and garden
and propose a new plan for the flow of traffic." (TAK)

http://www.kktcb.eu/index.php?men=255&submen=188

[Kikapu]

Kikapu ,
if you don't know the places than don't talk with others mouth or what you heard from them .
to know more about old Nicosia i am recommending you to read the book about old nicosia from below link.
http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~durduran/drnic1.html

Just exactly what things I'm I talking with "others mouth" Halil.

There's more to Cyprus problems than just knowing or not knowing about "Bedevi Pastenesi".!!

Thanks for the link all the same, which I will read soon.

I know Kikapu Cyprus problem is more important than Bedevi pastanesi .
But have a look your words at above .
aren't you misdirecting the peoples about president palace location .
may be you have noticed my strong objections in this forum that TC's has got their own lands at north .

Palace(building) was there before 74 . İt was not used as a presential palace during those times .

I am sure you also know between 63-74 we were rulling ourself by Cemaat Meclisi . İf you don't know ask and learn from your family members .
Don't tell me that you don't know where is the Kyreania Gate .
Cumhurbaşkanlığı Sarayı is built up next to gate . İt is on the nicosia walls .Land was Mutallip family . it's been enteignened from them.


what do you see Kikapu

Halil my friend,

Sometimes you miss my sense of humour in how I express my self. It's not your fault and I can see how you interpret things in a serious way as a result of it. In general, I question everything and also ask a lot of question about anything and everything. Sometimes with humour and sometimes right between the eyes as direct as I can be.

Thanks for all the information you have given me on the Palace, it's location and the land it sits on. And of course the TC's have their own land in the north, about only 20% and the rest belongs to the GC's. Is that not correct Halil, and if not, please correct me and give us the real numbers.

As far as what I see in the picture and using my great intellect to process information, well, obviously it is the dog's 90th Birthday (human years) and he is given a surprised party. His eyes are kept shut by the cat until they walk into the room where all the other Pussies and Bitches are there to help him blow out his candles.

[halil]

Kikapu ,
i don't know much about percentages . both sides has different claims, one day it will come out ,when they sit on the table and puts all the documents on the table than we can find out .
i have put the both sides claims before at this forum before .

you are saying that i am taking everything seriously , it is true .
we must not give wrong information in here others does not know .
when they read your claims people are thinking that information is correct and they believe it .

we must always think that there was a always other side of the coin too .

[Kikapu]

Yes Kikapu here is the information for you and others about presential palace of Talat .

The History of the TRNC Presidency Building:

The Presidency building was built in 1939 by architect Macartney for the British
Commissioner in Nicosia. It was positioned on the Quirini Tower, which is also known
as the Arsenal Tower due to the fact that guns used to be fired from this tower
during the Ottoman period. The plan of the building, on the tower in the Turkish
neighborhood of the Nicosia walls, was inspired from the shape of the tower.

The building served as the residence of Dr. Fazil Kucuk, who was the Deputy
President of the 1960 Cyprus Republic.

The administrative offices of the Deputy Presidency, which were in Southern Nicosia,
were transferred to the buildings built on the city walls between the Arsenal tower
and the Kyrenia Gate. The residence of Dr. Fazıl Kucuk was used as the office of the
community leader, until the establishment of the Turkish Cypriot Federated State,
and later as the Presidential Palace.

The additional building at the Presidential Palace was built in the 1980s to serve
as a residence. Thus, the Presidential Palace and its offices were spread on the
Venetian walls as the extension of the historical commissariat building.

The Presidential Palace also served as the Prime Ministry building at one time. The
first prime minister of the Turkish Cypriot Federated State used the Presidential
Palace as his offices until today's Prime Ministry building was built.

The broadcasts of the Bayrak Radio and Television also began at the Presidency
building in Dr. Fazil Kucuk's garage.

The Presidential Palace also served as a shelter for the Turkish Cypriots who had to
flee their houses in 1963.


The TRNC Presidency Building to be Renovated

The Presidential Palace is being redesigned to gather all the administrative offices
that are currently scattered, into a single building.

The new administrative building will include the offices situated currently in the
one-storey buildings on the Nicosia walls and other buildings in the neighborhood.
The Presidential office, the residence, some offices and the security departments
will remain outside the new building complex. An area of 16,532 feet square (1,536
meter square) has been expropriated for the new administrative building. A
competition will be held for the architectural project.

Within the framework of restructuring, all the one-storey buildings, which harbour
the security, transformer and similar facilities in the area where the President's
office and residence is, will be cleaned up. The landscape and garden will also be
redesigned.

The building on the city walls, which is currently the administrative building, will
be demolished and replaced by a car park with a 55-60-car capacity.

There also are plans to rearrange the traffic in the area and the town.

Gunal Ozogul, the Director of the Presidency, spoke to the TAK news agency about the
project. Ozogul said that the main goal is to situate all buildings under one
ceiling and get rid of the current scattered scene. "We are aiming at a Presidential
administrative building complex, which integrates well with the rest of the
buildings, which is in harmony with the environment, and which is connected with the
town," said Ozogul.

Ozogul said that the rooms in the administrative building are very small and
underlined that the Presidential departments will have at least twice as much area
in the new building. He added that the parking problem will also be solved with the
new project.

An area between the Salahattin Sonat Street and the Tanzimat Street has been
expropriated for the construction of the new administrative building. Ozogul said
that an area of 16,532 feet square, which is equal to 17 building lots, has been
confiscated. He added that all the buildings within that area, except two historic
buildings, will be demolished.

Ozogul stated that the new building will be in harmony with the two historic
buildings and the Presidential Palace. Ekrem Bodamyalizade, the head of the Chamber
of Architects, said that the historic importance of the tower, on which the
Presidential premises are, will also be taken into consideration.

A competition has been launched for the selection of the project to redesign the
Presidential premises. The competition began on 12 April 2007 and will end on 12
July 2007.

Bodamyalizade said that the new building may be a completely modern building with
subtle touches from the old times.

The participants, besides proposing a new building complex, are asked to "preserve
the historic buildings and trees in the area; to remove the one-storey buildings on
the city walls and replace them with a car park, redesign the landscape and garden
and propose a new plan for the flow of traffic." (TAK)

http://www.kktcb.eu/index.php?men=255&submen=188

An area between the Salahattin Sonat Street and the Tanzimat Street has been expropriated for the construction of the new administrative building. Ozogul said that an area of 16,532 feet square, which is equal to 17 building lots, has been confiscated.

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[Kikapu]

Kikapu ,
i don't know much about percentages . both sides has different claims, one day it will come out ,when they sit on the table and puts all the documents on the table than we can find out .
i have put the both sides claims before at this forum before .

you are saying that i am taking everything seriously , it is true .
we must not give wrong information in here others does nt know .
when they read your claims people are thinking that information is correct and they believe it .

we must always think that there was a always other side of the coin too .

And you are always welcomed Halil to tell the readers which wrong information it is that I give them in my posts. I always welcome others to correct me if I make a mistake with information. So far, all I get is complaints from certain individuals who do not like what I write, but they never offer any correction to what I've said.

This is a perfect example Halil, that I gave you a figure of land ownership in the north between the TC's and the GC's, but you refuse to give me your best estimate numbers, when you know full well what those numbers are, but instead you want to avoid answering it by giving me "both sides has different claims, one day it will come out ,when they sit on the table and puts all the documents on the table than we can find out".

In that case, I'll use my numbers until proven wrong if and when the "dispute of land ownership" is settled and I don't want to hear any complaints that I'm giving out false information when you could have corrected me right now.

[DT.]

problem is that whatever these claims are, Turkey will get what turkey wants.

GC side might proove that they have 88% of the land, talat will say "ok, we'll take 29%.

It will not be a fair distribution whatever happens.

[74LB]

Kikapu, I think your figures are 'interesting' ...

And of course the TC's have their own land in the north, about only 20% and the rest belongs to the GC's.

Taking the above into consideration does this mean that with the land in the South, the TC's can claim to own a fair bit more than 20%

[halil]

Kikapu ,
i don't know much about percentages . both sides has different claims, one day it will come out ,when they sit on the table and puts all the documents on the table than we can find out .
i have put the both sides claims before at this forum before .

you are saying that i am taking everything seriously , it is true .
we must not give wrong information in here others does nt know .
when they read your claims people are thinking that information is correct and they believe it .

we must always think that there was a always other side of the coin too .

And you are always welcomed Halil to tell the readers which wrong information it is that I give them in my posts. I always welcome others to correct me if I make a mistake with information. So far, all I get is complaints from certain individuals who do not like what I write, but they never offer any correction to what I've said.

This is a perfect example Halil, that I gave you a figure of land ownership in the north between the TC's and the GC's, but you refuse to give me your best estimate numbers, when you know full well what those numbers are, but instead you want to avoid answering it by giving me "both sides has different claims, one day it will come out ,when they sit on the table and puts all the documents on the table than we can find out".

In that case, I'll use my numbers until proven wrong if and when the "dispute of land ownership" is settled and I don't want to hear any complaints that I'm giving out false information when you could have corrected me right now.

if i knew Kikapu ,there is no reason for me to put it here .

i don't like giving misinformation .

at below report you can see clearly differences between 2 sides claims.
( link )
http://1.1.1.1/440167084/277556784T0806 ... pDocuments)/EF6541C01C87AC8EC125729C003130C9/$file/PRIO+Cyprus+Property+Report.pdf

[Kikapu]

Kikapu, I think your figures are 'interesting' ...

And of course the TC's have their own land in the north, about only 20% and the rest belongs to the GC's.

Taking the above into consideration does this mean that with the land in the South, the TC's can claim to own a fair bit more than 20%

Nice try 74LB.

No it does not mean that at all. I think you have interpolated the whole TC land percentages inaccurately. We are only talking about the north and I'm only giving an approximate based on percentage of the TC's and GC's population that lived in the area before 1974 which is now where the "trnc" sits on.

If you interpolate the land size and population of both the communities in the south before '74 accurately, since it's close to same number of TC's who lived in the south prior to '74, you will still end up around 20% (approx.), if not less, since there were perhaps more GC's in the south at the time in comparison to GC-TC ratios in the northern part before '74.

In any case, Kifeas gave us very accurate breakdown before on who owned what. It is just amazing, that Halil who claims to knows about everything regarding the north and the TC's situation in general as he continually posts political statements from the north without even questioning any of the comments made by the politicians which often borders propaganda, he is somehow having a difficulty in making a simple calculation as a layman that requires no knowledge of maths at all. Someone is not being very honest here at all, and that's what I question all the time, the lack of honesty, which is then is interpreted as me "taking the views of the othe side". I take the side of honesty and common sense. If I see smoke, there is a good chance, there is fire, and often, there is.

So, NO, you don't get 20% TC land in the north and 20% TC land in the south and combine the two to = 40%.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu ,
i don't know much about percentages . both sides has different claims, one day it will come out ,when they sit on the table and puts all the documents on the table than we can find out .
i have put the both sides claims before at this forum before .

you are saying that i am taking everything seriously , it is true .
we must not give wrong information in here others does nt know .
when they read your claims people are thinking that information is correct and they believe it .

we must always think that there was a always other side of the coin too .

And you are always welcomed Halil to tell the readers which wrong information it is that I give them in my posts. I always welcome others to correct me if I make a mistake with information. So far, all I get is complaints from certain individuals who do not like what I write, but they never offer any correction to what I've said.

This is a perfect example Halil, that I gave you a figure of land ownership in the north between the TC's and the GC's, but you refuse to give me your best estimate numbers, when you know full well what those numbers are, but instead you want to avoid answering it by giving me "both sides has different claims, one day it will come out ,when they sit on the table and puts all the documents on the table than we can find out".

In that case, I'll use my numbers until proven wrong if and when the "dispute of land ownership" is settled and I don't want to hear any complaints that I'm giving out false information when you could have corrected me right now.

if i knew Kikapu ,there is no reason for me to put it here .

i don't like giving misinformation .

at below report you can see clearly differences between 2 sides claims.
( link )
http://1.1.1.1/440167084/277556784T0806 ... pDocuments)/EF6541C01C87AC8EC125729C003130C9/$file/PRIO+Cyprus+Property+Report.pdf

Halil,

I can't open your link I'm afraid. I only asked for your best estimate percentages and not the exact number of donums Halil. That should be easy to do, isn't it.??

By the way, since your visit to Quincy USA, the Mississippi river has been flooding the Midwest. What the hell did you guys do with all the beer y'all drunk, take a piss in the river all at the same time or what.


You all look exhausted after raising the Mississippi river.