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Armenian genocide still haunts Turkey

Postby boomerang » Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:26 pm

Armenian genocide still haunts Turkey
By Zanku Armenian and Dickran Tabakian
Article Launched: 06/13/2008 07:15:16 AM PDT


ON April 24, in cities across the United States and around the world, people remembered the 1.5 million Armenians murdered by the government of Turkey during the Armenian Genocide of 1915.

The commemoration in the U.S. includes gratitude for efforts by Americans during that period to save countless Armenian lives and opening the doors of this country as a haven from the brutality of Turkey's armed forces.

The U.S. ambassador to Turkey between 1913-1916, Henry Morgenthau, wrote of this first modern example of genocide in his memoirs. "When the Turkish authorities gave the orders for these deportations, they were merely giving the death warrant to a whole race; they understood this well, and, in their conversations with me, they made no particular attempt to conceal the fact . . . I am confident that the whole history of the human race contains no such horrible episode as this," Morgenthau wrote.

Morgenthau did not realize what similar horrors awaited the human race a few decades later when the German Nazis would take their turn in race extermination.

Sadly, on April 24 the San Gabriel Valley Newspaper Group fell victim to the Armenian genocide denial campaign perpetrated by today's government of Turkey when the newspapers printed an opinion piece by Jason Epstein that attempted to cleverly cast doubt on the historical facts surrounding the Armenian Genocide and whether it should be commemorated.

Epstein is a former legislative director for B'nai B'rith International, a prominent Jewish organization that, among the issues it promotes, works to build racial tolerance and awareness of issues having to do with genocide. It would seem logical that someone with Jason Epstein's background would be sensitive to Holocaust deniers and other races who suffered genocide.
Upon closer examination, however, it becomes apparent Mr. Epstein doesn't follow that logic.

According to Justice Department records, he has been paid a substantial price by the Turkish government as a lobbyist - to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars. Since his time at B'nai B'rith, Epstein has crossed over and joined the paid army of lobbyists and public relations soldiers who have been hired by Turkey. These people spend their days distorting the facts of history in a losing battle to deny the Armenian Genocide, much like today's Holocaust deniers.

The Turkish government's decades-long Armenian genocide denial campaign, in which Epstein is a bit player, spends millions every year attempting to wipe the blood of genocide victims off the government's hands. This failed policy has prevented Turkey from joining the civilized world and will continue to be a barrier as it attempts to join the European Union. Turkey's government must mature and come to terms with its history.

Instead, the government prosecutes and persecutes Turkish citizens for speaking the truth about the Armenian Genocide.

At the same time, the Turkish government attempts to export its gag rule on free speech about the Armenian Genocide to the U.S. by blackmailing our Congress into not speaking the truth with threats to cut off northern supply lines to our troops in Iraq.

The Armenian National Committee of America and other American community, academic and political organizations and hundreds of elected officials such as our own Congressman Adam Schiff work hard every day to properly recognize the Armenian Genocide.

At its core, these efforts aim to align our government's policies on these issues with our fundamental American values of respect for human rights.

Epstein, given his past, should find his lost integrity and concentrate his efforts on breaking the cycle of genocide in the world instead of protecting the perpetrators of genocide denial. This would be a more productive use of his time instead of lecturing the Armenian American community, which is very proud of its contributions to this society, as well as helping the growing democracy in Armenia.

But then again, perhaps Epstein is not interested in representing that side of the issue because there is little money to be made defending victims of genocide or standing for justice and what is right.

Zanku Armenian is on the board of directors of the Armenian National Committee of America, Western Region.

Dickran Tabakian is chairman of the Armenian National Committee, Pasadena.

http://www.sgvtribune.com/opinions/ci_9574992



hmmm...kinda makes you wonder doesn't it?...I mean how much info is out there and still this nation refuses to acknowledge the genocide... :twisted:
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Postby xxNilxx » Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:03 pm

There was 17 different ethnic communities living in Turkey at the time. Why did they only attack Armenians?
Armenians living in Turkey were giving information about Turkey to the enemies, and also killing some Turks. It was war, it was a risk to take. So they got rid of all of them. You can't just live in somebodies country and give facts about them to their enemies who try to invade - selfish people. Who ever is selfish enough do to something like that, deserves something like that.
Armenians did an even worse genocide to the Azeris, do you not know that?

It just shows us how much the Greeks lack in power, they always end up bringing the so -called ''Armenian genocide'' because they have nothing else to talk about or use against Turkey. 8) pellos paliokalamaras wanabees 8)

They need to help from others in order to look powerful; ''Kurdistan'' (NEVER ON TURKISH SOIL maybe in Iraq.. NOT IN TURKIYE - BU VATAN BOLUNMEZ) , Armenian ''genocide''. There 2 best friends 8) and obviously they will say ''turkish invasion in cyprus'' - but lets not forget that the invasion was an operation to save the lives of the Turkish Cypriots whom the Greeks would have all made extinct. - They can never stick up forselves; always Armenians, Cyprus, Kurds have to get involved - idiots :wink:

I mean how much info is out there and still this nation refuses to acknowledge the genocide << quote

Exactly... Turkish Cypriot Genocide done by the Greeks :evil:

Genocides happen everywhere, so just get over it 8) if Armenians hate Turks so much, tell the 100,000s of Armenians living in Turkey to get out then 8)
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Postby xxNilxx » Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:04 pm

Just get over it Greek Cypriots. :roll: :roll: :roll:
I shouldn't call you ''Greeks'' (I would be insulting the kalamaras)
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Postby miltiades » Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:13 pm

xxNilxx wrote:Just get over it Greek Cypriots. :roll: :roll: :roll:
I shouldn't call you ''Greeks'' (I would be insulting the kalamaras)

What a first class Plonker.
So in the UK we should wipe out the Muslims because a few terrorists committed vile against the British people.
Why do you jump in defence of Turkey every time , it is not your country Cyprus is and until you realize it you will always be considered a foreigner in Cyprus. Be proud of YOUR country Cyprus.
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Postby Magnus » Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:16 pm

xxNilxx wrote:Just get over it Greek Cypriots. :roll: :roll: :roll:
I shouldn't call you ''Greeks'' (I would be insulting the kalamaras)



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Postby Sotos » Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:36 pm

There was 17 different ethnic communities living in Turkey at the time. Why did they only attack Armenians?


:? They didn't attack just the Armenians. They attacked the Greeks, the Kurds and everybody else.
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Postby boomerang » Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:41 pm

xxNilxx wrote:There was 17 different ethnic communities living in Turkey at the time. Why did they only attack Armenians?
Armenians living in Turkey were giving information about Turkey to the enemies, and also killing some Turks. It was war, it was a risk to take. So they got rid of all of them. You can't just live in somebodies country and give facts about them to their enemies who try to invade - selfish people. Who ever is selfish enough do to something like that, deserves something like that.
Armenians did an even worse genocide to the Azeris, do you not know that?

It just shows us how much the Greeks lack in power, they always end up bringing the so -called ''Armenian genocide'' because they have nothing else to talk about or use against Turkey. 8) pellos paliokalamaras wanabees 8)

They need to help from others in order to look powerful; ''Kurdistan'' (NEVER ON TURKISH SOIL maybe in Iraq.. NOT IN TURKIYE - BU VATAN BOLUNMEZ) , Armenian ''genocide''. There 2 best friends 8) and obviously they will say ''turkish invasion in cyprus'' - but lets not forget that the invasion was an operation to save the lives of the Turkish Cypriots whom the Greeks would have all made extinct. - They can never stick up forselves; always Armenians, Cyprus, Kurds have to get involved - idiots :wink:

I mean how much info is out there and still this nation refuses to acknowledge the genocide << quote

Exactly... Turkish Cypriot Genocide done by the Greeks :evil:

Genocides happen everywhere, so just get over it 8) if Armenians hate Turks so much, tell the 100,000s of Armenians living in Turkey to get out then 8)


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Postby Get Real! » Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:51 pm

xxNilxx wrote:There was 17 different ethnic communities living in Turkey at the time. Why did they only attack Armenians?

The Library of Congress says:

The tiny Armenian minority, estimated at 40,000 in 1995, also is a remnant of a once-larger community. Before World War I, some 1.5 million Armenians lived in eastern Anatolia. Starting in the late nineteenth century, intergroup tensions prompted the emigration of possibly as many as 100,000 Armenians in the 1890s. In 1915 the Ottoman government ordered all Armenians deported from eastern Anatolia; at least 600,000 of the Armenians, who numbered up to 2 million, died during a forced march southward during the winter of 1915-16. Armenians believe--and Turks deny--that the catastrophe that befell their community was the result of atrocities committed by Turkish soldiers following government directives. Armenians outside Turkey refer to the deaths of 1915-16 as an instance of genocide, and over the years various Armenian political groups have sought to avenge the tragedy by carrying out terrorist attacks against Turkish diplomats and officials abroad (see Armenian Terrorism, ch. 5).

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+tr0045)

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Postby ARMENIAN CYPRIOT » Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:40 pm

xxNilxx wrote:There was 17 different ethnic communities living in Turkey at the time. Why did they only attack Armenians?
Armenians living in Turkey were giving information about Turkey to the enemies, and also killing some Turks. It was war, it was a risk to take. So they got rid of all of them. You can't just live in somebodies country and give facts about them to their enemies who try to invade - selfish people. Who ever is selfish enough do to something like that, deserves something like that.
Armenians did an even worse genocide to the Azeris, do you not know that?

It just shows us how much the Greeks lack in power, they always end up bringing the so -called ''Armenian genocide'' because they have nothing else to talk about or use against Turkey. 8) pellos paliokalamaras wanabees 8)

They need to help from others in order to look powerful; ''Kurdistan'' (NEVER ON TURKISH SOIL maybe in Iraq.. NOT IN TURKIYE - BU VATAN BOLUNMEZ) , Armenian ''genocide''. There 2 best friends 8) and obviously they will say ''turkish invasion in cyprus'' - but lets not forget that the invasion was an operation to save the lives of the Turkish Cypriots whom the Greeks would have all made extinct. - They can never stick up forselves; always Armenians, Cyprus, Kurds have to get involved - idiots :wink:

I mean how much info is out there and still this nation refuses to acknowledge the genocide << quote

Exactly... Turkish Cypriot Genocide done by the Greeks :evil:

Genocides happen everywhere, so just get over it 8) if Armenians hate Turks so much, tell the 100,000s of Armenians living in Turkey to get out then 8)

The Ottomans did not only attack the Armenians, they also did the same to the Assyrians and Yezidis. Are you going to say the Assyrians and Yezidis were rebelling also?? :roll: Were there Armenians individuals giving info to the enemies?? Perhaps but WTF does that have to do with the community as a whole??? The Armenians should get out of the land they have resided in for over 3,000 years?? Why dont you get the fuck out of Cyprus then. Your anceastors have only been here for a little bit more then 400 years??? Or better yet why dont the Turks just go back to Khazakstan or wherever they came from.The Armenians deserved it??? Fuck off you facist piglet.
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:50 pm

ARMENIAN CYPRIOT wrote:
xxNilxx wrote:There was 17 different ethnic communities living in Turkey at the time. Why did they only attack Armenians?
Armenians living in Turkey were giving information about Turkey to the enemies, and also killing some Turks. It was war, it was a risk to take. So they got rid of all of them. You can't just live in somebodies country and give facts about them to their enemies who try to invade - selfish people. Who ever is selfish enough do to something like that, deserves something like that.
Armenians did an even worse genocide to the Azeris, do you not know that?

It just shows us how much the Greeks lack in power, they always end up bringing the so -called ''Armenian genocide'' because they have nothing else to talk about or use against Turkey. 8) pellos paliokalamaras wanabees 8)

They need to help from others in order to look powerful; ''Kurdistan'' (NEVER ON TURKISH SOIL maybe in Iraq.. NOT IN TURKIYE - BU VATAN BOLUNMEZ) , Armenian ''genocide''. There 2 best friends 8) and obviously they will say ''turkish invasion in cyprus'' - but lets not forget that the invasion was an operation to save the lives of the Turkish Cypriots whom the Greeks would have all made extinct. - They can never stick up forselves; always Armenians, Cyprus, Kurds have to get involved - idiots :wink:

I mean how much info is out there and still this nation refuses to acknowledge the genocide << quote

Exactly... Turkish Cypriot Genocide done by the Greeks :evil:

Genocides happen everywhere, so just get over it 8) if Armenians hate Turks so much, tell the 100,000s of Armenians living in Turkey to get out then 8)

The Ottomans did not only attack the Armenians, they also did the same to the Assyrians and Yezidis. Are you going to say the Assyrians and Yezidis were rebelling also?? :roll: Were there Armenians individuals giving info to the enemies?? Perhaps but WTF does that have to do with the community as a whole??? The Armenians should get out of the land thaey have resided in for over 3,000 years?? Why dont you get the fuck out of Cyprus then. Your anceastors have only been here for a little bit more then 400 years??? Or better yet why dont the Turks just go back to Khazakstan or whereever they came from.


You mean Mongolia. Apologies to the Kazaks for any offence. :lol:
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