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boulio wrote:if cyprus were to return to the 1960 agreements would the property also be given accordingly to its rightfull owners?
The way I see it the biggest sticking point of not being able to turn back to 1960 constitution (and for that matter for achievement any solution) is property issue.
There has to be some sort of arrangement done between TCs and GCs about property to be exchanged if it is feasible and voluntary. The reason being is many TCs had build many new houses on empty GC plots, and made substantial investments on GC properties. (And the same for many GCs too especially on the touristic places, I heard).
Also there are many TC and GC properties basically being left to demolish because nobody was in them, many TC farm land being left to be unusable because nobody was farming them, and also many TC and GC property has been acquired for civic projects by two governments like roads, hospitals, parks, etc. etc. For example if a TC got a GC land and build a 100 room hotel on that land, you may imagine that he may not want to give that property back, if he is not compensated the current value of the hotel. You know what I mean.
So if anybody is thinking that this proposal is going to result in 100% return of all refugees for both sides they are big time mistaken. The returning refuges will probably much more than the Annan Plan, but it will never reach to 100% because of the above explained impossibilities.
OF course everybody will have to get compensated for the loss property. But again we will be concentrating only on solving the property issue (as asked for point three in the first proposal) instead of concentrating on all the other issues, like trying to limit if GC can settle in TC state, or all the other constitutional issues.
Also after some period of time, we can establish a joint commission to reform 1960 agreements and constitution into today’s standards, taking into account GC and TC concerns. But as I always said, in order to reform something it has to be operational first. So let’s apply it first then we can try to reform it. Trust me you may find TCs very easy on some changes like %30 requirement of government employees.
Kifeas wrote:And does anybody seriously believe that it’s up to any declaration by the RoC that the Turkish troops will live from Cyprus?
Does it even depend on any such request by the TC community that Turkey will simply say “Ok guys, I am living you alone as from tomorrow, have a nice time” and pack up and go home?
Is it a matter of a simple declaration?? Are they here only to save your Asses, as you said turkcyp?
Didn’t you all hear what the grand Generale Mr. Hilmi Özkök said only last week that Cyprus was still of primary strategic importance for Turkey?
Kifeas this post of yours is again very sorry my language but really ridiculous. It sounds like GCs saying they did not vote for A.Plan because they think Turkey was not going to abide by it. I can listen every complaint of GCs about A. Plan but this does not make sense to me. You are basically accusing Turkey for something they have not done yet, and trying to punish Turkey for your expectations. It is totally ridiculous.
Plus, in my opinion, Turkey will not care about leaving the island, as long as all the 1960 agreements is left in place. I mean it was those agreements that have enabled them to come to an island, and they can come again if things go wrong again in Cyprus. Turkey will have to reduce its forces to 650, and Greek forces will have to be reduced to 950, and all the RoC armed forces will be abolished but one 2000 men armed force asked for the 1960 constitution.
Personally everybody that reads my posts in this forum knows that I am all for full demilitarization. But that has to be done with changes to 1960 constitutional agreements. And for that to happen we have to force make 1960 constitutional agreements operational.
If you want we can start discussing changes to those agreements immediately as well, but it has to be understood that if those change attempts fail, 1960 agreements will stay as they are.