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The tall lady claims no need for any guarantees just peace, love and trust, how will those 3 factors provide the deterrent necessary to stop the majority from stamping all over the minority?

[Kikapu]

The tall lady claims no need for any guarantees just peace, love and trust, how will those 3 factors provide the deterrent necessary to stop the majority from stamping all over the minority?

Why don't you give us an example where minorities are stumped over by the majority in any of the EU member countries where their Democratic and Human Rights are violated, and then we can all agree with you that the "tall lady" is full of crap.!!

[Oracle]

The tall lady claims no need for any guarantees just peace, love and trust, how will those 3 factors provide the deterrent necessary to stop the majority from stamping all over the minority?

Is she taller than you VP?

Yet more reasons for the "safeguard" of your haven; keep you away from Majorities and Taller people ....

VP; irrational fear of big numbers.

[Viewpoint]

The tall lady claims no need for any guarantees just peace, love and trust, how will those 3 factors provide the deterrent necessary to stop the majority from stamping all over the minority?

Why don't you give us an example where minorities are stumped over by the majority in any of the EU member countries where their Democratic and Human Rights are violated, and then we can all agree with you that the "tall lady" is full of crap.!!

Your confusing normal EU countries with GC style democracy and human rights, they have a chequered past towards TCs and just one majority decision to stop trade with turkey could send the TC reeling or the lack of guarantees opens the door for internal unrest which will put every ones lives in danger. If you want to look at a country that is in the EU but has constant problems with one of its regions look at Spain or the communities in France who have rioted due to unfair discrimination which does not allow them to work or be employed. The GCs are masters and manipulating and twisting matters in the their favor, we do not want to be exposed to such dangers ever again so there has to be concrete safeguards and deterrents that will not allow them the free hand they so long for.

[Viewpoint]

The tall lady claims no need for any guarantees just peace, love and trust, how will those 3 factors provide the deterrent necessary to stop the majority from stamping all over the minority?

Is she taller than you VP?

Yet more reasons for the "safeguard" of your haven; keep you away from Majorities and Taller people ....

VP; irrational fear of big numbers.

Safeguards are redundent if not breeched, why are you GCs so paranoid? it gives us clear sing that your intentions are not to be trusted.

[Kikapu]

The tall lady claims no need for any guarantees just peace, love and trust, how will those 3 factors provide the deterrent necessary to stop the majority from stamping all over the minority?

Why don't you give us an example where minorities are stumped over by the majority in any of the EU member countries where their Democratic and Human Rights are violated, and then we can all agree with you that the "tall lady" is full of crap.!!

Your confusing normal EU countries with GC style democracy and human rights, they have a chequered past towards TCs and just one majority decision to stop trade with turkey could send the TC reeling or the lack of guarantees opens the door for internal unrest which will put every ones lives in danger. If you want to look at a country that is in the EU but has constant problems with one of its regions look at Spain or the communities in France who have rioted due to unfair discrimination which does not allow them to work or be employed. The GCs are masters and manipulating and twisting matters in the their favor, we do not want to be exposed to such dangers ever again so there has to be concrete safeguards and deterrents that will not allow them the free hand they so long for.

Every country in Europe have a checkered past, and they have all moved forward, or haven't you heard it yet. "Time does not stand still" as I keep reminding you, but it seems like you are stuck in a time warp, deliberately or not, but it is time for you to move forward, and it cannot be done like it used to be done in the past, even by "old" European countries. Those practices have no place in the EU and if the TC's are going to be take their place in the EU (officially), then they too will need to live in the present and not in the past.

Once again you are more interested keeping trade with Turkey then being loyal to your country of Cyprus. If trade with Turkey is broken, it will be for a good reason. As DT said few days ago, "if there is money to be made, why would trade be broken". I gave you a hypothetical situation on another thread regarding breaking trade with Turkey which you did not answer. Do you think Turkey will act responsibly with Cyprus if they knew that no matter what they do, the TC's are going to block any action against Turkey with their "veto vote". I think Turkey will act more responsibly if there was NO "veto vote". As you always say VP, "the knife cuts both ways".

Sure they have had some riots in France, and UK, and USA, and so on. There are also hate groups in every country. I'm sure not everything is hunky dory between the TC's and the settlers in the north. The important thing is, there are laws that protect the rights of all citizens. The one advantage the TC's will have over all other minorities in the countries you have mentioned, their own "state" where they are the majority, and where most of the job givers and takers will be TC's. What you want is your own "country", just like what the Basque wants which is another matter altogether, or at the very least, inequalities between the communities in your advantage over the other community. This is what will keep the communities apart through resentment and hate.

[DT.]

The tall lady claims no need for any guarantees just peace, love and trust, how will those 3 factors provide the deterrent necessary to stop the majority from stamping all over the minority?

Why don't you give us an example where minorities are stumped over by the majority in any of the EU member countries where their Democratic and Human Rights are violated, and then we can all agree with you that the "tall lady" is full of crap.!!

Your confusing normal EU countries with GC style democracy and human rights, they have a chequered past towards TCs and just one majority decision to stop trade with turkey could send the TC reeling or the lack of guarantees opens the door for internal unrest which will put every ones lives in danger. If you want to look at a country that is in the EU but has constant problems with one of its regions look at Spain or the communities in France who have rioted due to unfair discrimination which does not allow them to work or be employed. The GCs are masters and manipulating and twisting matters in the their favor, we do not want to be exposed to such dangers ever again so there has to be concrete safeguards and deterrents that will not allow them the free hand they so long for.

Every country in Europe have a checkered past, and they have all moved forward, or haven't you heard it yet. "Time does not stand still" as I keep reminding you, but it seems like you are stuck in a time warp, deliberately or not, but it is time for you to move forward, and it cannot be done like it used to be done in the past, even by "old" European countries. Those practices have no place in the EU and if the TC's are going to be take their place in the EU (officially), then they too will need to live in the present and not in the past.

Once again you are more interested keeping trade with Turkey then being loyal to your country of Cyprus. If trade with Turkey is broken, it will be for a good reason. As DT said few days ago, "if there is money to be made, why would trade be broken". I gave you a hypothetical situation on another thread regarding breaking trade with Turkey which you did not answer. Do you think Turkey will act responsibly with Cyprus if they knew that no matter what they do, the TC's are going to block any action against Turkey with their "veto vote". I think Turkey will act more responsibly if there was NO "veto vote". As you always say VP, "the knife cuts both ways".

Sure they have had some riots in France, and UK, and USA, and so on. There are also hate groups in every country. I'm sure not everything is hunky dory between the TC's and the settlers in the north. The important thing is, there are laws that protect the rights of all citizens. The one advantage the TC's will have over all other minorities in the countries you have mentioned, their own "state" where they are the majority, and where most of the job givers and takers will be TC's. What you want is your own "country", just like what the Basque wants which is another matter altogether, or at the very least, inequalities between the communities in your advantage over the other community. This is what will keep the communities apart through resentment and hate.

WHy wouldn't everything be allright between the majority settlers and the tc's. Don't the tc's have a special minority status given to them by the settlers? Or is it one of joint partnership?

[Kikapu]

Every country in Europe have a checkered past, and they have all moved forward, or haven't you heard it yet. "Time does not stand still" as I keep reminding you, but it seems like you are stuck in a time warp, deliberately or not, but it is time for you to move forward, and it cannot be done like it used to be done in the past, even by "old" European countries. Those practices have no place in the EU and if the TC's are going to be take their place in the EU (officially), then they too will need to live in the present and not in the past.

Once again you are more interested keeping trade with Turkey then being loyal to your country of Cyprus. If trade with Turkey is broken, it will be for a good reason. As DT said few days ago, "if there is money to be made, why would trade be broken". I gave you a hypothetical situation on another thread regarding breaking trade with Turkey which you did not answer. Do you think Turkey will act responsibly with Cyprus if they knew that no matter what they do, the TC's are going to block any action against Turkey with their "veto vote". I think Turkey will act more responsibly if there was NO "veto vote". As you always say VP, "the knife cuts both ways".

Sure they have had some riots in France, and UK, and USA, and so on. There are also hate groups in every country. I'm sure not everything is hunky dory between the TC's and the settlers in the north. The important thing is, there are laws that protect the rights of all citizens. The one advantage the TC's will have over all other minorities in the countries you have mentioned, their own "state" where they are the majority, and where most of the job givers and takers will be TC's. What you want is your own "country", just like what the Basque wants which is another matter altogether, or at the very least, inequalities between the communities in your advantage over the other community. This is what will keep the communities apart through resentment and hate.

WHy wouldn't everything be allright between the majority settlers and the tc's. Don't the tc's have a special minority status given to them by the settlers? Or is it one of joint partnership?

VP, over to you.???

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu

Every country in Europe have a checkered past, and they have all moved forward, or haven't you heard it yet. "Time does not stand still" as I keep reminding you, but it seems like you are stuck in a time warp, deliberately or not, but it is time for you to move forward, and it cannot be done like it used to be done in the past, even by "old" European countries. Those practices have no place in the EU and if the TC's are going to be take their place in the EU (officially), then they too will need to live in the present and not in the past.

I agree every country had problems in the past but for every country is unique and the GCs are no acception, we have to learn by the past mistakes to build a future whereby they will not be reappeated and we will not kick ourselves for falling into the same traps. The safeguards are exactly for this reason to ensure the past mistkaes are no repeated and to ensure everyone abides by the rules agreed at the out, why do you GCs have a problem with this? I have asked this many times but no one has attempted an answer must tell you someting.

Once again you are more interested keeping trade with Turkey then being loyal to your country of Cyprus. If trade with Turkey is broken, it will be for a good reason. As DT said few days ago, "if there is money to be made, why would trade be broken". I gave you a hypothetical situation on another thread regarding breaking trade with Turkey which you did not answer. Do you think Turkey will act responsibly with Cyprus if they knew that no matter what they do, the TC's are going to block any action against Turkey with their "veto vote". I think Turkey will act more responsibly if there was NO "veto vote". As you always say VP, "the knife cuts both ways".

You dismiss our concerns of trade yet in the same breath have no problem stating that if trade is blocked it will be for a good reason. Excuses can always be provided to do something Kikapu you obvious trust GCs 100% to do the right thing but we do not and have to ask for safeguards to ensure they do. Without these we will be left to the mercy of the GCs who wants to smoke us out and into they mould they wish to put us in. Do you think TCs will act in favor of Turkey and not Cyprus if it came to the crunch, if you do then you obviously do not know the TC people, all we want is for our life line not to be severed, most of our trade is with Turkey and it will take time to change this, a GC veto as you put it would send our economy reeling and again at the mercy of the GCs to step in bail us out which will cause a great deal of resentment and problems.

Sure they have had some riots in France, and UK, and USA, and so on. There are also hate groups in every country. I'm sure not everything is hunky dory between the TC's and the settlers in the north. The important thing is, there are laws that protect the rights of all citizens. The one advantage the TC's will have over all other minorities in the countries you have mentioned, their own "state" where they are the majority, and where most of the job givers and takers will be TC's. What you want is your own "country", just like what the Basque wants which is another matter altogether, or at the very least, inequalities between the communities in your advantage over the other community. This is what will keep the communities apart through resentment and hate.

People apply laws and if these people are purely GCs then where do you think that will leave us? at their mercy to be manipulated and ignored. I agree with you that having our own state will go someway to resolving many issues, which over time and goodwill will evolve if all can see that unity is for the benefit of all.

[Viewpoint]

The tall lady claims no need for any guarantees just peace, love and trust, how will those 3 factors provide the deterrent necessary to stop the majority from stamping all over the minority?

Why don't you give us an example where minorities are stumped over by the majority in any of the EU member countries where their Democratic and Human Rights are violated, and then we can all agree with you that the "tall lady" is full of crap.!!

Your confusing normal EU countries with GC style democracy and human rights, they have a chequered past towards TCs and just one majority decision to stop trade with turkey could send the TC reeling or the lack of guarantees opens the door for internal unrest which will put every ones lives in danger. If you want to look at a country that is in the EU but has constant problems with one of its regions look at Spain or the communities in France who have rioted due to unfair discrimination which does not allow them to work or be employed. The GCs are masters and manipulating and twisting matters in the their favor, we do not want to be exposed to such dangers ever again so there has to be concrete safeguards and deterrents that will not allow them the free hand they so long for.

Every country in Europe have a checkered past, and they have all moved forward, or haven't you heard it yet. "Time does not stand still" as I keep reminding you, but it seems like you are stuck in a time warp, deliberately or not, but it is time for you to move forward, and it cannot be done like it used to be done in the past, even by "old" European countries. Those practices have no place in the EU and if the TC's are going to be take their place in the EU (officially), then they too will need to live in the present and not in the past.

Once again you are more interested keeping trade with Turkey then being loyal to your country of Cyprus. If trade with Turkey is broken, it will be for a good reason. As DT said few days ago, "if there is money to be made, why would trade be broken". I gave you a hypothetical situation on another thread regarding breaking trade with Turkey which you did not answer. Do you think Turkey will act responsibly with Cyprus if they knew that no matter what they do, the TC's are going to block any action against Turkey with their "veto vote". I think Turkey will act more responsibly if there was NO "veto vote". As you always say VP, "the knife cuts both ways".

Sure they have had some riots in France, and UK, and USA, and so on. There are also hate groups in every country. I'm sure not everything is hunky dory between the TC's and the settlers in the north. The important thing is, there are laws that protect the rights of all citizens. The one advantage the TC's will have over all other minorities in the countries you have mentioned, their own "state" where they are the majority, and where most of the job givers and takers will be TC's. What you want is your own "country", just like what the Basque wants which is another matter altogether, or at the very least, inequalities between the communities in your advantage over the other community. This is what will keep the communities apart through resentment and hate.

WHy wouldn't everything be allright between the majority settlers and the tc's. Don't the tc's have a special minority status given to them by the settlers? Or is it one of joint partnership?

They are TRNC citizens full stop, they do not have any agreements and accept to live by our laws and rules when they come settle in the TRNC just like if you decided to go live in the UK. The difference is that we are joint partners both indigenous to this land its the actual formulation of the laws and rules that we cannot agree as you want to use your numerical advantage to push me out of the way.