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Kikapu

Every country in Europe have a checkered past, and they have all moved forward, or haven't you heard it yet. "Time does not stand still" as I keep reminding you, but it seems like you are stuck in a time warp, deliberately or not, but it is time for you to move forward, and it cannot be done like it used to be done in the past, even by "old" European countries. Those practices have no place in the EU and if the TC's are going to be take their place in the EU (officially), then they too will need to live in the present and not in the past.

I agree every country had problems in the past but for every country is unique and the GCs are no acception, we have to learn by the past mistakes to build a future whereby they will not be reappeated and we will not kick ourselves for falling into the same traps. The safeguards are exactly for this reason to ensure the past mistkaes are no repeated and to ensure everyone abides by the rules agreed at the out, why do you GCs have a problem with this? I have asked this many times but no one has attempted an answer must tell you someting.

Once again you are more interested keeping trade with Turkey then being loyal to your country of Cyprus. If trade with Turkey is broken, it will be for a good reason. As DT said few days ago, "if there is money to be made, why would trade be broken". I gave you a hypothetical situation on another thread regarding breaking trade with Turkey which you did not answer. Do you think Turkey will act responsibly with Cyprus if they knew that no matter what they do, the TC's are going to block any action against Turkey with their "veto vote". I think Turkey will act more responsibly if there was NO "veto vote". As you always say VP, "the knife cuts both ways".

You dismiss our concerns of trade yet in the same breath have no problem stating that if trade is blocked it will be for a good reason. Excuses can always be provided to do something Kikapu you obvious trust GCs 100% to do the right thing but we do not and have to ask for safeguards to ensure they do. Without these we will be left to the mercy of the GCs who wants to smoke us out and into they mould they wish to put us in. Do you think TCs will act in favor of Turkey and not Cyprus if it came to the crunch, if you do then you obviously do not know the TC people, all we want is for our life line not to be severed, most of our trade is with Turkey and it will take time to change this, a GC veto as you put it would send our economy reeling and again at the mercy of the GCs to step in bail us out which will cause a great deal of resentment and problems.

Sure they have had some riots in France, and UK, and USA, and so on. There are also hate groups in every country. I'm sure not everything is hunky dory between the TC's and the settlers in the north. The important thing is, there are laws that protect the rights of all citizens. The one advantage the TC's will have over all other minorities in the countries you have mentioned, their own "state" where they are the majority, and where most of the job givers and takers will be TC's. What you want is your own "country", just like what the Basque wants which is another matter altogether, or at the very least, inequalities between the communities in your advantage over the other community. This is what will keep the communities apart through resentment and hate.

People apply laws and if these people are purely GCs then where do you think that will leave us? at their mercy to be manipulated and ignored. I agree with you that having our own state will go someway to resolving many issues, which over time and goodwill will evolve if all can see that unity is for the benefit of all.

why do you GCs have a problem with this

You can't even be trusted to tell the truth, and your above statement is the proof, since you lose credibility with such statement, so why should I even listen to the rest of your comments, no matter how realistic they may be. If this was in a court room, everything else you have written in your post will be thrown into the rubbish bin as not being credible, because of your above inaccurate statement made deliberately. Perhaps it is you who needs to give out safeguards to others as well as expecting the same from others in return, since you are lacking in honesty, but you are ready to complain of others untrustworthiness..!!

I'll answer your post after I've calmed down at much later time.!!

Sorry not with you please clarify.

Now you are really taking the piss.!!

Perhaps you need better reading glasses to read what I "enlarged" for you to read.!!

Have a nice day VP, and don't forget to pray tonight so that all your wishes will come true some day.!!

It may pay to be selective and limit the number of wishes you want to become true.!!

You'll have a better chance of success this way.!!

Spit out what you have to say?

[DT.]

Speaking of which, Bakoyianni just passed outside my office window...9 car convoy.

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With her head sticking out of the sun-roof?

[Viewpoint]

VP, its quite simple really. Cyprus will never be a truly democratic country if another country has a legal right to interfere in its affairs. Perhaps you can tell us where else on this earth one country has such a right and then explain why the TCs are so special that they enjoy such privileged "protection". Its been said before but I'm going to repeat it anyway, Turkey had a legal right to intervene in Cyprus in 1974 but it abused that right by expelling one third of the population from their homes. Turkey cannot be trusted with a right to intevene because of what it did in 1974. I have no doubt that the EU will be very aware of the history of the two communities in the event of a fair solution, in fact it would not be unreasonable for the EU to establish a monitoring system for a period.

We do not trust the EU to provide protect they do not have the mechanism or the might to do so, so thats a non starter. The unique chain of events over Cyprus provided for protection and safeguards against an aggresive and discriminative GC population, which was not trusted to administer democracy and human rights for all due to its past performance. Turkey had and today has the right to intervene to resolves matters, have they been resolved?

[boomerang]

VP, its quite simple really. Cyprus will never be a truly democratic country if another country has a legal right to interfere in its affairs. Perhaps you can tell us where else on this earth one country has such a right and then explain why the TCs are so special that they enjoy such privileged "protection". Its been said before but I'm going to repeat it anyway, Turkey had a legal right to intervene in Cyprus in 1974 but it abused that right by expelling one third of the population from their homes. Turkey cannot be trusted with a right to intevene because of what it did in 1974. I have no doubt that the EU will be very aware of the history of the two communities in the event of a fair solution, in fact it would not be unreasonable for the EU to establish a monitoring system for a period.

We do not trust the EU to provide protect they do not have the mechanism or the might to do so, so thats a non starter. The unique chain of events over Cyprus provided for protection and safeguards against an aggresive and discriminative GC population, which was not trusted to administer democracy and human rights for all due to its past performance. Turkey had and today has the right to intervene to resolves matters, have they been resolved?

From where did she get these rights?

[Jerry]

VP, its quite simple really. Cyprus will never be a truly democratic country if another country has a legal right to interfere in its affairs. Perhaps you can tell us where else on this earth one country has such a right and then explain why the TCs are so special that they enjoy such privileged "protection". Its been said before but I'm going to repeat it anyway, Turkey had a legal right to intervene in Cyprus in 1974 but it abused that right by expelling one third of the population from their homes. Turkey cannot be trusted with a right to intevene because of what it did in 1974. I have no doubt that the EU will be very aware of the history of the two communities in the event of a fair solution, in fact it would not be unreasonable for the EU to establish a monitoring system for a period.

We do not trust the EU to provide protect they do not have the mechanism or the might to do so, so thats a non starter. The unique chain of events over Cyprus provided for protection and safeguards against an aggresive and discriminative GC population, which was not trusted to administer democracy and human rights for all due to its past performance. Turkey had and today has the right to intervene to resolves matters, have they been resolved?

So the Turkish Cypriots are special people on this earth (the master race?) and Turkey upholds human rights - you are not serious are you?
There is absolutely no reason why the EU cannot have a presence on the island. Your hypocrisy is unbelievable, you want to join the EU, you want and have taken its money but you do not trust it.

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VP, its quite simple really. Cyprus will never be a truly democratic country if another country has a legal right to interfere in its affairs. Perhaps you can tell us where else on this earth one country has such a right and then explain why the TCs are so special that they enjoy such privileged "protection". Its been said before but I'm going to repeat it anyway, Turkey had a legal right to intervene in Cyprus in 1974 but it abused that right by expelling one third of the population from their homes. Turkey cannot be trusted with a right to intevene because of what it did in 1974. I have no doubt that the EU will be very aware of the history of the two communities in the event of a fair solution, in fact it would not be unreasonable for the EU to establish a monitoring system for a period.

We do not trust the EU to provide protect they do not have the mechanism or the might to do so, so thats a non starter. The unique chain of events over Cyprus provided for protection and safeguards against an aggresive and discriminative GC population, which was not trusted to administer democracy and human rights for all due to its past performance. Turkey had and today has the right to intervene to resolves matters, have they been resolved?

From where did she get these rights?

Read your own constitiution.

[Viewpoint]

VP, its quite simple really. Cyprus will never be a truly democratic country if another country has a legal right to interfere in its affairs. Perhaps you can tell us where else on this earth one country has such a right and then explain why the TCs are so special that they enjoy such privileged "protection". Its been said before but I'm going to repeat it anyway, Turkey had a legal right to intervene in Cyprus in 1974 but it abused that right by expelling one third of the population from their homes. Turkey cannot be trusted with a right to intevene because of what it did in 1974. I have no doubt that the EU will be very aware of the history of the two communities in the event of a fair solution, in fact it would not be unreasonable for the EU to establish a monitoring system for a period.

We do not trust the EU to provide protect they do not have the mechanism or the might to do so, so thats a non starter. The unique chain of events over Cyprus provided for protection and safeguards against an aggresive and discriminative GC population, which was not trusted to administer democracy and human rights for all due to its past performance. Turkey had and today has the right to intervene to resolves matters, have they been resolved?

So the Turkish Cypriots are special people on this earth (the master race?) and Turkey upholds human rights - you are not serious are you?
There is absolutely no reason why the EU cannot have a presence on the island. Your hypocrisy is unbelievable, you want to join the EU, you want and have taken its money but you do not trust it.

I have not asked for money it was offered and blocked by your goodselves. If wanting protection for an aggressive and discriminative majority is labelled special then I accept the title, the day GC accept a solution with safeguards we can agree to is the day we will resolve this matter otherwise Turkey will continue to protect us and out interests.

[Get Real!]

The tall lady claims no need for any guarantees just peace, love and trust, how will those 3 factors provide the deterrent necessary to stop the majority from stamping all over the minority?

The REAL problem is the CRIMINAL Turkish Cypriot community and the HUGE problems I suspect it will cause the Republic, but I’ll write about that in a dedicated thread.

[boomerang]

VP, its quite simple really. Cyprus will never be a truly democratic country if another country has a legal right to interfere in its affairs. Perhaps you can tell us where else on this earth one country has such a right and then explain why the TCs are so special that they enjoy such privileged "protection". Its been said before but I'm going to repeat it anyway, Turkey had a legal right to intervene in Cyprus in 1974 but it abused that right by expelling one third of the population from their homes. Turkey cannot be trusted with a right to intevene because of what it did in 1974. I have no doubt that the EU will be very aware of the history of the two communities in the event of a fair solution, in fact it would not be unreasonable for the EU to establish a monitoring system for a period.

We do not trust the EU to provide protect they do not have the mechanism or the might to do so, so thats a non starter. The unique chain of events over Cyprus provided for protection and safeguards against an aggresive and discriminative GC population, which was not trusted to administer democracy and human rights for all due to its past performance. Turkey had and today has the right to intervene to resolves matters, have they been resolved?

From where did she get these rights?

Read your own constitiution.

1...I did and it says nothing about ethnic cleansing or colonization...mind pointing me to the relevant section?...proof? - links?

2...either you obey by the whole constitution or none...picking and chosing makes you sound desperate...[/quote]