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[Agios Ionas]

Oracle,

I stand corrected... somewhat anyway.

What I really meant was that some values endorsed by various religions are quite essential for a society to remain civilised and not become a morally corrupt wasteland filled with filth, misery and sorrow.

Take the last 5 of the 10 commandments for example:

5. Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

6. You shall not murder.

7. You shall not commit adultery.

8. You shall not steal.

9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

10. You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s."

Wouldn't the world be a much better place if everybody lived up to these simple rules? Forget about the "God part". Even non-believers should be willing to embrace these rules and acknowledge that it's only fair to obey them.

However... I do not agree that it is the nebulous teachings of (any) religion which cloud the issues and set people on a divisive course of pitching against each other. It's the nebulous teachings of religious leaders that does. Leaders with ulterior motives, with political ambitions. Religion was supposed to be a comfort to mankind, a guiding principle to help people lead good lives in peace and without ill will. At least it should be all this. But certain individuals made (and still make) religion into politics to gain power and to control people. Religious leaders twist and turn the words of the religious scriptures to serve their own motives.

I will go as far as to admit that any organised religion is an abomination. We don't need religious leaders to poison our minds. Every man and woman should read the holy books by themselves and come to their own conclusions. Meanwhile one should be aware of the fact that with time comes change. So what was written 2000 years ago may not be 100% applicable today. But the essence, the geist of many things written can surely be embraced and applied to the world as it looks today.

Personally I think that the last 5 commandments plus another handful of rules based on common sense and democratic values is all we need to have a better world. Providing the rules are being followed of course. Which I'm sad to say is not possible as long as money is more important than anything else... including lives, the earth as well as the code of ethical practice in general and ethical business practice in particular.

It's a messed up world. The best we can do is to try our best to be good people, innit?

[Feisty]

What a load of bollocks!!

Quality of life in the UK has been deteriorating for many years now , bit by bit the government , local authorities
the huge influx of third world immigrants , who unlike the Brits in Cyprus that Eliko said do not adapt , still live in the 14th century .
A new restaurant we recently serviced has a policy that men and women do not eat not only at the same table but have to eat in separate rooms !! This in Britain in the 21st century !!
Its a disgrace that we have seen fit to allow hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants mainly asylum seekers , (my foot) , and failed miserably in devising means in order to bring these people into the 21st century , in informing them clearly that forced marriages , honour killings and 14th century practices are outlawed in the UK.
Our schools have been forced by local authorities to abandon cultural events that shaped this nation for hundreds of years in case the "immigrants " are offended.
Other areas responsible for reducing the quality of life , again indirectly sponsored by the government and local authorities have been the extension of power given to local authorities in raising revenue from the motorists . There are more cameras in the UK than anywhere else in Europe , not installed for reducing road accidents as they tell us but purely to raise more money so that it can be distributed to the single mothers , lazy scroungers , and fraudsters.
Our institutions starting from the Banks , Insurance companies , Utility providers are all dedicated legal crooks ,
and our MPs , bless their expense sheets , are there for the take , and more take and more and more , greedy bastards who will use every trick in the book to inflate their expense claims. Recently we were told that Gordon Brown included a small some on his expense sheet for light bulbs !!! Even the paper that they wipe their arses on is paid for by the tax payer ""
I have had many "remonstrations " with the traffic director office in London. All I can say is that these people who are earning in excess of 100 thousand pounds a year are nothing more that bloody parasites , absorbed in their continued efforts in devising more ways to suck more money from the motorist.

In short , the UK is rapidly disintegrating , the time is fast approaching when we shall no longer be able to include the most fundamental part of our British breakfast on our plate !!
We have become a nation of Traffic wardens , unmarried mothers , unsightly immigrants and lots and lots of bastards and greedy government officials. Apart from that the UK is the greatest nation on earth !!!

[denizaksulu]

No end to exodus of able Brits to finer climes ....

Barry and Barbara Mardell, who lived outside Bognor Regis in East Sussex, and who moved to Cyprus in April. Aged 56 and 52 respectively, they are some way off retiring, but sought a better lifestyle when forced to rely upon one salary after Mrs Mardell, a former executive with Qinetiq, the defence contractor, had to give up work on health grounds. '

'The quality of life in Britain is not what it was," says Mrs Mardell. ''Our village was no longer a real village because of over-development; we suffered every time the Government changed taxes to penalise middle- class, middle-income people and our children couldn't find work because the immigrants took all the jobs."

Now settled in Cyprus, her husband is starting his own facilities management company and they are shortly about to move into a three-bedroom detached house with swimming pool.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/portal/main. ... ate111.xml

You must have began the stampeed Oracle. Even you have also decided to be a sun-seeker.

[Oracle]

No end to exodus of able Brits to finer climes ....

Barry and Barbara Mardell, who lived outside Bognor Regis in East Sussex, and who moved to Cyprus in April. Aged 56 and 52 respectively, they are some way off retiring, but sought a better lifestyle when forced to rely upon one salary after Mrs Mardell, a former executive with Qinetiq, the defence contractor, had to give up work on health grounds. '

'The quality of life in Britain is not what it was," says Mrs Mardell. ''Our village was no longer a real village because of over-development; we suffered every time the Government changed taxes to penalise middle- class, middle-income people and our children couldn't find work because the immigrants took all the jobs."

Now settled in Cyprus, her husband is starting his own facilities management company and they are shortly about to move into a three-bedroom detached house with swimming pool.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/portal/main. ... ate111.xml

You must have began the stampeed Oracle. Even you have also decided to be a sun-seeker.

Deniz I was so white when I arrived, I looked almost blue.

Now I am indistinguishable in colour from the natives ...... the Sri Lankan ones!

[denizaksulu]

No end to exodus of able Brits to finer climes ....

Barry and Barbara Mardell, who lived outside Bognor Regis in East Sussex, and who moved to Cyprus in April. Aged 56 and 52 respectively, they are some way off retiring, but sought a better lifestyle when forced to rely upon one salary after Mrs Mardell, a former executive with Qinetiq, the defence contractor, had to give up work on health grounds. '

'The quality of life in Britain is not what it was," says Mrs Mardell. ''Our village was no longer a real village because of over-development; we suffered every time the Government changed taxes to penalise middle- class, middle-income people and our children couldn't find work because the immigrants took all the jobs."

Now settled in Cyprus, her husband is starting his own facilities management company and they are shortly about to move into a three-bedroom detached house with swimming pool.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/portal/main. ... ate111.xml

You must have began the stampeed Oracle. Even you have also decided to be a sun-seeker.

Deniz I was so white when I arrived, I looked almost blue.

Now I am indistinguishable in colour from the natives ...... the Sri Lankan ones!

With A little bit of difference isnt there?

Slavery is back then.

[Oracle]

No end to exodus of able Brits to finer climes ....

Barry and Barbara Mardell, who lived outside Bognor Regis in East Sussex, and who moved to Cyprus in April. Aged 56 and 52 respectively, they are some way off retiring, but sought a better lifestyle when forced to rely upon one salary after Mrs Mardell, a former executive with Qinetiq, the defence contractor, had to give up work on health grounds. '

'The quality of life in Britain is not what it was," says Mrs Mardell. ''Our village was no longer a real village because of over-development; we suffered every time the Government changed taxes to penalise middle- class, middle-income people and our children couldn't find work because the immigrants took all the jobs."

Now settled in Cyprus, her husband is starting his own facilities management company and they are shortly about to move into a three-bedroom detached house with swimming pool.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/portal/main. ... ate111.xml

You must have began the stampeed Oracle. Even you have also decided to be a sun-seeker.

Deniz I was so white when I arrived, I looked almost blue.

Now I am indistinguishable in colour from the natives ...... the Sri Lankan ones!

With A little bit of difference isnt there?

Slavery is back then.

No difference Deniz mou ... all of us same inside! ... and both Nations victims of UK divide and rule colonialism.

BTW I am sure hubby won't mind me telling you I was going to marry a Sri Lankan doctor before his Celtic-Gaelic charms tempted me away ...

[denizaksulu]

[quote="Oracle"][quote="denizaksulu"][quote="Oracle"][quote="denizaksulu"][quote="Oracle"]No end to exodus of able Brits to finer climes ....

[b][quote="Telegraph"]Barry and Barbara Mardell, who lived outside Bognor Regis in East Sussex, and who moved to Cyprus in April. Aged 56 and 52 respectively, they are some way off retiring, but sought a better lifestyle when forced to rely upon one salary after Mrs Mardell, a former executive with Qinetiq, the defence contractor, had to give up work on health grounds. '

'The quality of life in Britain is not what it was," says Mrs Mardell. ''Our village was no longer a real village because of over-development; we suffered every time the Government changed taxes to penalise middle- class, middle-income people and our children couldn't find work because the immigrants took all the jobs."

Now settled in Cyprus, her husband is starting his own facilities management company and they are shortly about to move into a three-bedroom detached house with swimming pool.[/quote][/b]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/portal/main. ... ate111.xml[/quote]


You must have began the stampeed Oracle. Even you have also decided to be a [size=18][b]sun-seeker[/b][/size]. [/quote]

Deniz I was so white when I arrived, I looked almost blue.

Now I am indistinguishable in colour from the natives ...... the Sri Lankan ones! [/quote]

With A little bit of difference isnt there?

Slavery is back then. [/quote]

No difference Deniz mou ... all of us same inside! ... and both Nations victims of UK divide and rule colonialism.

BTW I am sure hubby won't mind me telling you I was going to marry a Sri Lankan doctor before his Celtic-Gaelic charms tempted me away ... [/quote]


Phew. What a lucky escape. (for Dr.......................athan that is)

[Oracle]

Oracle,

I stand corrected... somewhat anyway.

What I really meant was that some values endorsed by various religions are quite essential for a society to remain civilised and not become a morally corrupt wasteland filled with filth, misery and sorrow.

Take the last 5 of the 10 commandments for example:

5. Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

6. You shall not murder.

7. You shall not commit adultery.

8. You shall not steal.

9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

10. You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s."

Wouldn't the world be a much better place if everybody lived up to these simple rules? Forget about the "God part". Even non-believers should be willing to embrace these rules and acknowledge that it's only fair to obey them.

You are right that the basic commandments are fundamental to a good life.

Which is why they are well catered for biologically ... and are not due to religion.

Evolution has ensured that we behave in a rightful Way because that is tantamount to our survival as social creatures.

Religion came later. An invention to explain unknown phenomena.

The "Commandments" however evolved naturally as part of Human nature.

BTW ..... A number of other social creatures view murder, stealing etc. as wrong, since they would be chased out of the social groups if they practiced any of these anti-social elements. So they would be less likely to be mated, hence less likely to leave offspring behind, hence their bad genes likely to go extinct, hence why us surviving Humans are basically good ... Nothing to do with religious doctrine and everything to do with survival of the fittest ....

[miltiades]

Apart from that the UK is the greatest nation on earth !!!

Apart from the USA of course which has a culture to be envied by those of other nations which still live in the 14th century. (according to miltiades).

If you feel the need to glimpse at a little evidence of why the West is viewed with some disdain by those 'Backward Nations', a quick glance at a few of the 'American Cultural Contributions' to acceptable entertainment may be viewed in 'Jokes and Enigmas' posted by Raymanoff.

I wonder why the East is so reluctant to join us in our 'Democratic' society (apart from the very good reasons already indicated by miltiades) could it be that the 'Jokes' are a mere speck of confirmation that 'Decadence' is the major cultural influence in the distorted principles of what was once known as 'Democracy' ?.

Looks to me like a clear cut case of :-

"my nation is sinking in filth, I insist you join me " (or else)

You wonder why the East is reluctant to join us ?? They are all over here and over there they cant wait to get out of their shit holes and join the West !! Look at Europe , Canada , Australia , America all nations of the West , the Eastern people are jostling to join .
So you think they look at us as filth do you , are they masochists or just plain stupid in wanting to join us .
Let me tell you something Eliko and take note .
If America was to offer the coveted green card to the third world with no strings attached the third world would seize to exist !!
Cant you see they cant survive in their corrupt ridden , undemocratic nations and risk life and limp to join the civilized world.
LONG LIVE THE WEST , MAY AMERICA CONTINUE TO BE THE WORLDS SUPERPOWER AND STOP THE BLOODY CHINESE FROM FORCING US TO EAT RICE 7 DAYS A WEEK !!!!
I cant stand bloody rice or bloody chopsticks !!

[roseandchan]

our eldest son is now 22 years old. when he was 5 and about to start the local school he was to be in a class of 30 kids. only 2 of these kids, one being our son had english as a first language.