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[bigdog]

For it is their children that are having to compete with the better-educated, hard-working immigrants like the Poles ... and failing miserably ...

I blame the education system in the UK .....

I am working on a construction in Sheffield at the moment . Once or twice a week I get agency's offering semi skilled Polish labour for £6.00 per hour , are own semi skilled labourers are paid between £9.00 and £11.00 per hour , is this not undercutting the British worker ?

[Eliko]

For it is their children that are having to compete with the better-educated, hard-working immigrants like the Poles ... and failing miserably ...

I blame the education system in the UK .....

I am working on a construction in Sheffield at the moment . Once or twice a week I get agency's offering semi skilled Polish labour for £6.00 per hour , are own semi skilled labourers are paid between £9.00 and £11.00 per hour , is this not undercutting the British worker ?

bigdog, I believe a former member 'Stout' made a comment about what you have highlighted.

I seem to recall that his main objection was that apparently some of the workers he mentioned were working for low wages AND drawing social security benefits.

I will contact Stout and (since he is in the trade) perhaps he would like to comment on the issue you have raised.

Best Wishes to you and your family.

Eliko.

[bigdog]

For it is their children that are having to compete with the better-educated, hard-working immigrants like the Poles ... and failing miserably ...

I blame the education system in the UK .....

I am working on a construction in Sheffield at the moment . Once or twice a week I get agency's offering semi skilled Polish labour for £6.00 per hour , are own semi skilled labourers are paid between £9.00 and £11.00 per hour , is this not undercutting the British worker ?

bigdog, I believe a former member 'Stout' made a comment about what you have highlighted.

I seem to recall that his main objection was that apparently some of the workers he mentioned were working for low wages AND drawing social security benefits.

I will contact Stout and (since he is in the trade) perhaps he would like to comment on the issue you have raised.

Best Wishes to you and your family.

Eliko.

Cheers Eliko

Wonder how long it will be before someone tells me a pole knows how to spell "OUR"

[Oracle]

For it is their children that are having to compete with the better-educated, hard-working immigrants like the Poles ... and failing miserably ...

I blame the education system in the UK .....

I am working on a construction in Sheffield at the moment . Once or twice a week I get agency's offering semi skilled Polish labour for £6.00 per hour , are own semi skilled labourers are paid between £9.00 and £11.00 per hour , is this not undercutting the British worker ?

bigdog, I believe a former member 'Stout' made a comment about what you have highlighted.

I seem to recall that his main objection was that apparently some of the workers he mentioned were working for low wages AND drawing social security benefits.

I will contact Stout and (since he is in the trade) perhaps he would like to comment on the issue you have raised.

Best Wishes to you and your family.

Eliko.

Cheers Eliko

Wonder how long it will be before someone tells me a pole knows how to spell "OUR"

Don't beat yourself over a simple typo ... ... BTW Did you mean Pole?

You make a valid point regarding the fact that immigrant workers undercut the native workforce.

The reasons for why they are able to do that and still enjoy better prospects than being in their own environment, should be interesting in themselves.

But I am still concerned as to why state education in the UK remains so appalling, failing the younger generations and leaving them ill-equipped to compete.

[miltiades]

Quality of life in the UK has been deteriorating for many years now , bit by bit the government , local authorities
the huge influx of third world immigrants , who unlike the Brits in Cyprus that Eliko said do not adapt , still live in the 14th century .
A new restaurant we recently serviced has a policy that men and women do not eat not only at the same table but have to eat in separate rooms !! This in Britain in the 21st century !!
Its a disgrace that we have seen fit to allow hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants mainly asylum seekers , (my foot) , and failed miserably in devising means in order to bring these people into the 21st century , in informing them clearly that forced marriages , honour killings and 14th century practices are outlawed in the UK.
Our schools have been forced by local authorities to abandon cultural events that shaped this nation for hundreds of years in case the "immigrants " are offended.
Other areas responsible for reducing the quality of life , again indirectly sponsored by the government and local authorities have been the extension of power given to local authorities in raising revenue from the motorists . There are more cameras in the UK than anywhere else in Europe , not installed for reducing road accidents as they tell us but purely to raise more money so that it can be distributed to the single mothers , lazy scroungers , and fraudsters.
Our institutions starting from the Banks , Insurance companies , Utility providers are all dedicated legal crooks ,
and our MPs , bless their expense sheets , are there for the take , and more take and more and more , greedy bastards who will use every trick in the book to inflate their expense claims. Recently we were told that Gordon Brown included a small some on his expense sheet for light bulbs !!! Even the paper that they wipe their arses on is paid for by the tax payer ""
I have had many "remonstrations " with the traffic director office in London. All I can say is that these people who are earning in excess of 100 thousand pounds a year are nothing more that bloody parasites , absorbed in their continued efforts in devising more ways to suck more money from the motorist.

In short , the UK is rapidly disintegrating , the time is fast approaching when we shall no longer be able to include the most fundamental part of our British breakfast on our plate !!
We have become a nation of Traffic wardens , unmarried mothers , unsightly immigrants and lots and lots of bastards and greedy government officials. Apart from that the UK is the greatest nation on earth !!!

[CBBB]

Harking back to some of the comments earlier in the thread, every one should know that we Brit's are never foreigners whereever we go, for we are BRITISH!

[Eliko]

Apart from that the UK is the greatest nation on earth !!!

Apart from the USA of course which has a culture to be envied by those of other nations which still live in the 14th century. (according to miltiades).

If you feel the need to glimpse at a little evidence of why the West is viewed with some disdain by those 'Backward Nations', a quick glance at a few of the 'American Cultural Contributions' to acceptable entertainment may be viewed in 'Jokes and Enigmas' posted by Raymanoff.

I wonder why the East is so reluctant to join us in our 'Democratic' society (apart from the very good reasons already indicated by miltiades) could it be that the 'Jokes' are a mere speck of confirmation that 'Decadence' is the major cultural influence in the distorted principles of what was once known as 'Democracy' ?.

Looks to me like a clear cut case of :-

"my nation is sinking in filth, I insist you join me " (or else)

[Agios Ionas]

Miltiades,

Spot on! I've seen the very same things happen in Sweden, step by step things are changing for the worse. I have absolutely no problem with immigrants. But I do have a problem with people who doesn't work, those who rape the welfare system. BIG problem. And whether these freeloaders are immigrants or white trash is of no importance. The fact that they are freeloaders is what matters. How can someone expect everybody else to pay for their living and benefits? People need to work and pay taxes or start businesses and pay taxes in order to maintain a welfare state. Otherwise it will crash, badly. If you don't have a fortune to live off you must work... it's that simple. If you lose your job it's great that the government have a welfare plan to sort things out temporarily... in between jobs. A safety net is a wicked thing to have. But everybody who wants to use it must also be prepared to contribute to the maintenance of the safety net by working/paying taxes. If we don't the holes will be so big that those who need the net the most will fall through... and crash... just like the welfare system itself will crash... badly.

All immigrants who are able to adapt and wants to contribute to their new country are more than welcome. Such people are a true asset to any country.

The UK is the UK. Sweden is Sweden. Cyprus is Cyprus. These countries are not Saudi Arabia. Of course our cultures need to "adapt" some as well... in order to make it easier on people from other cultures to adapt and blend in. They must be given the chance to practice their religion. They must be given the chance to buy special food in case their religion require it. Things like these are easy to provide for the host country. In return we must demand the immigrants to accept that our way of life is our way of life until we decide to change it ourselves. Just as we would adapt and accept things as they are in case we move to a foreign country with a whole different culture.

They also need to understand that if you wish to come to a country like the UK to lead a better life you also need to leave the things that made their lives dreadful in the first place behind. Leave the hatred, hostility and suspiciousness behind. Leave the medieval attitudes behind. Forced marriages, honour killings and 14th century practices do not belong in Europe.

It's not ok when we change our traditions out of fear for offending immigrants. They don't have to take part in our traditions but they need to accept that we have them. Nobody is forcing a muslim to celebrate Christmas. Nor should we be forced to practice fasting during Ramadan. But never should we deny them the right to celebrate Ramadan as their religion and tradition suggests.

It's not ok when school children can't sing the national anthem at the breaking-up day. Some say it's "racist" to sing this... why?

It's not ok when school children can't sing a psalm at the breaking-up day. Some say singing psalms is offending immigrants... why?

In Sweden singing songs like these have been a tradition for a very very long time. Why should the people of Sweden be denied their rights to practice their traditions in their own country? Just because someone from another country is offended by the Swedish national anthem? Just because a muslim is offended by a christian psalm paying tribute to the beauty of summer and the wonderful creations of God? Some headmasters at some schools have already succumbed to the pressure from muslim organisations and these traditions are now part of history at these schools. How is such cowardly behaviour going to help immigrants to adapt?

And quite frankly... why does it seem like it's the muslims that demand the most. Are they easily offended or what? I've never met a jew, a hindu or a buddhist (or an atheist for that matter) who are offended by a national anthem, a psalm or Christmas ornaments. These groups seem to be able to accept things as they are, perhaps even think of them as "exotic features" of their new host country. Just as I would consider a muezzin calling to prayer from the minaret is an exotic feature of any muslim country. I would never, repeat never, have the gall to complain about this and demand them to stop because I'm as a Christian is "offended" in case I choose for some reason or another to move to muslim territory.

Don't get me started on ineffective and incompetent politicians who are nothing but money grabbing wankers worrying more about their own bank account than they people of the country they've been elected to care for. It's politically correct to say that you care for immigrants. It's of course good for your career as well. Buying votes with words. Throw them a bone, then stick them in ghettos far far away from the nice neighbourhoods the politicians themselves live in. Neighbourhoods the common man, including immigrants, will never afford to live in.

Perhaps the muslims got one thing right with the Sharia Law after all... some politicians definitely deserve to have their hands cut off like the filthy thieves they are.

End of rant...

[Agios Ionas]

Apart from some quite entertaining movies and music such as jazz and soul/funk from the 60's and 70's American culture has nothing to offer us Europeans (at least not me). Their food is horrible and makes you fat. Although I must admit that McDonald's and Burger King is "ok" if you are in a hurry and quickly need to fill your tummy as long as you only do it on rare occasions and if there is no better option available. It may not be a culinary experience to remember, but it does take away the unpleasure of an empty stomach.

I agree with Eliko. The west is sinking in filth. But trust me... the filth is everywhere. Even in the east. But it's well hidden there. Here it's thrown in our faces on a daily basis. And what about Thailand? There's some seriously filthy things going on over there.

The world would be better if we embraced the good religious values. People do not necessarily have to embrace religion and become believers. But take Christianity for example, many of the basic Christian values are nothing but common sense really. We need more common sense in the world. Sex before marriage? Ok, it happens. But if we could wait until marriage sexually transmitted diseases would decrease. If people at least would be faithful to one partner instead of having sex with multiple partners to the left and the right. The immoral behaviour is what is making us sink... lower and lower. Drinking? Fine, drinking moderately is nice and social. But getting pissed and making trouble? This kind of behaviour is not only "ok" in the west... it's even encouraged. Just look at what's going on in places like Ibiza, Magalluf (Mallorca), Ayia Napa and perhaps the worst place of them all... Sunny Beach in Bulgaria. Teenagers acting like animals. Unbelievably drunk, all drugged up, having sex with multiple people at the same time, having sex with prostitutes although they have an unknowing girlfriend at home... UNPROTECTED sex even. It's like buying lottery tickets in the international AIDS lottery... you can be almost certain that you lose. It's a sick sick world we live in.

We can only hope for a better world. And we can make it happen if we educate our children and raise them with sound values and do our best to protect them from the Sodom and Gomorra way of life so many young people of today choose to live.

[Oracle]

The world would be better if we embraced the good religious values. .

OK I agreed with most of your balanced views wholeheartedly, until this little irrationality popped up.

The values you prescribe are normal human attributes and it is the nebulous teachings of any religion which cloud the issues and set people on a divisive course of pitching against each other.